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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:56 PM
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House votes to restrict healthcare law, with White House support
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 07:56 PM by brentspeak


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/27/House-votes-t...

House votes to restrict healthcare law, with White House support
Published: Oct. 27, 2011 at 12:25 PM

WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- The U.S. House Thursday voted to restrict eligibility for Medicaid, insurance exchanges and other aspects of President Obama's healthcare reform legislation.

The House approved H.R. 2576, 262-157, with the help of 26 Democrats and the support of the Obama administration, The Hill reported.

The Congressional Budget Office has said as many as 1 million people could be affected by the restrictions, which, among other things, would include Social Security benefits as income in determining eligibility.

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White House support for H.R. 2576 is seen by many as an acknowledgement that the healthcare law passed last year overextended eligibility for government programs.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:01 PM
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1. Well why the fuck stop half way?
get rid of everything but the fucking mandate. healthcare reform legislation my ass.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:27 PM
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9. That is what we'll have eventually.
Well...and the right of the well heeled to not be denied. The rest of us will get fines or waivers.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:23 PM
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14. ^ Oooop dere it is! ^
I can see it coming along with the end of "Socialist Security". :7

Welcome to the neo-liberal 21st century. :7
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 06:48 AM
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24. Keep hoping and predicting.
Social Security's demise has been predicted here, by the usual suspects, for 2+ years.

It didn't happen but it will!

It didn't happen but he really, really wanted it to!

Cat food! CAT FOOD!

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:04 PM
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2. UPI - the MOONIES??
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:09 PM
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3. Ostrich?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:10 PM by brentspeak
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:10 PM
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4. Actually,
there is more to it than that. It will have the effect of increasing health care funding by $11 billion.

Boehner and Republicans know they have to do something because the pressure is on. They don't have much else to go on, and the pressure is going to increase.









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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:15 PM
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:22 PM
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7. The bill was sponsored by a Republican (Diane Black)
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:24 PM by Cali_Democrat
235 GOPers voted for the bill, zero GOPers opposed it and 6 did not vote.

27 Dems voted for the bill and 157 opposed it.

Obama has joined the 235 GOPers and is supporting this bill.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:29 PM
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10. So
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:31 PM by ProSense
"The bill was sponsored by a Republican (Diane Black)"

...was the other bill that passed today.

The problem was discussed ad nauseum in June.

Millions of middle-class people could get Medicaid

Democrats would just as soon leave it, but, as with the repeal of the withholding they passed into law, Republicans are banking on people having short memories. They get to act like they're doing something by repackaging the President's proposals.

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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:40 AM
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21. Do you support this bill?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:50 PM
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11. Actually, it will cut SCHIP and Medicaid. Is that really a good thing?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:52 PM by Mass
And I imagine the vast majority of our Dems are idiots, in your mind, as they voted against this bill.

Now, if you want to tell me that the support of the White House is largely exaggerated, it is one thing. But this bill hurts people.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:58 PM
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12. Here
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:59 PM by ProSense
"Actually, it will cut SCHIP and Medicaid. Is that really a good thing?"

...is the CBO scoring

"And I imagine the vast majority of our Dems are idiots, in your mind, as they voted against this bill."

You can imagine anything you want to, free world.



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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:07 PM
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13. Obviosuly a good law as it increases costs... YEAH
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 09:08 PM by Mass
Stupid law in fact. Too bad you cant tell me the WH did not in fact agree to this. This would have been a good news. And I thank my congressman to have voted NO. Good man.

I read the report and it is very useful. BUt it pretty much says it is a bad law.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:34 PM
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15. Wait
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 09:35 PM by ProSense
" Obviosuly a good law as it increases costs"

...increases costs? It's increasing health care spending for the right purpose. The fact that the bill fixes something the administration saw as a glitch is not a bad thing. The fact that Democrats voted against it is not a bad thing either. They simply disagree with the fix. It's not the first time, especially on Medicaid. Most Democrats don't approve of the administration's effort to strengthen federal authority over the program

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:28 PM
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17. I thought the president said he couldn't wait.
But what he did is support a republican bill and republican congress over the Democrats in congress.

So how about it. Do you think the republicans are right and the Democrats are wrong here?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:17 PM
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:26 PM
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16. People try to spin it
but our President supported the republican caucus (with the help of blue dogs) against the Democratic caucus. If he did that on DU, he would be tombstoned.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:31 PM
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18. Hmmm?
"People try to spin it but our President supported the republican caucus (with the help of blue dogs) against the Democratic caucus. If he did that on DU, he would be tombstoned."

As opposed to Congress voting against funding to close Guantanamo or to advance that crazy foreclosure bill that the President vetoed?

The problem is that some people seem to focus all their outrage on the President, even when the Republicans are trying to dupe them.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:50 PM
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19. Are you on the right thread?
What has Guantanamo got to do with the vote for cutting Medicare? You wouldn't be trying to deflect the question would you? Hah. That would be so pathetic.

So do you stand with the president and the entirety of the republican members of congress on this, or do you support the Democratic causcus? Which side do you stand on here? republicans or Democrats? We know which side the president chose.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:00 AM
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20. Wait
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 12:02 AM by ProSense
"What has Guantanamo got to do with the vote for cutting Medicare?"

...weren't you talking instances in which the President and Congressional Democrats don't agree? Also, the OP is about Medicaid.

Did you agree with Democrats when they voted against the Guantanamo funding?

On edit, this was something the President said he was going to fix back in June (clever Republicans?)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:04 AM
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22. I thought the president said he couldn't wait.
But he did. Now you agree that he voted with the republicans on this.

And yes. I think Guantanamo should have been closed. I'm a Democrat. That's how Democrats voted.

In this case the Democrats voted in the favor of Medicaid. The president supported the republicans in voting against it.

And your on edit would seem to say that the president sought to cut Medicaid and that then sought the republicans help in doing so. That surely isn't right.

and you missed the part where you tell me if you think the republicans were right on this vote or whether you side with the republican congress. I said how I feel. Straight up. No hemming, hawing or conditional phrases. Could you possibly do the same?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:38 AM
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23. Here we go again.
I swear, there's a new one every day.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:30 PM
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25. It gets harder to defend every day.

Cherish Your Memories, Suckers!
Because We're Taking Everything Else!
Hahahahahahahahaha!



Payroll Tax Holiday Directly Connects Social Security to The Deficit



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity99!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:57 PM
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26. Oops, I almost didn't make it. Unrec!
:hi:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:41 PM
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27. Gee, I thought one of the big selling points of the Profit Protection Act
was that it expanded access to Medicaid but I can't say I'm surprised to hear that's being cut back. At least the insurance companies are still protected :sarcasm:


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