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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:29 PM
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Is there any history of a Democratic candidate being an obvious sham like Cain or Gingrich?
I'm not talking about candidates who had no real chance of winning, both parties have had plenty of those.

I mean candidates who clearly were not serious about either trying to win or drive narrative on any issue or set of issues, but were clearly trying only to boost their public profile and fame in order to cash in.

The lack of any clear cut means of translating popularity into votes, ground game etc. makes this clear in Cain's case. In the case of Gingrich, anniversary trips to Hawaii or Greece during critical campaign times make it clear enough.

I'm not aware of any Dem examples of this.

I believe Huckabee was sincerely trying to win the GOP nomination and presidency, his ability to cash in with a lucrative Fox News gig set a nice precedent for Palin and now Cain.

I suppose there is no Democratic equivalent of the cushy Fox News gig for failed or sham candidates, so there's that.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:34 PM
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1. Reverend Al Sharpton.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but...

definitely a self-promoter.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:34 PM
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2. Fair enough.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:35 PM
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3. Did he ever run for office?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:36 PM
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4. 2004, Presidency.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:37 PM
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5. does President of the United States count? n/t
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:42 PM
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8. classy
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:16 PM
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17. Yes it does, and I can do without the sarcasm nt
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:17 PM by demosincebirth
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:40 AM
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28. +1
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:53 PM
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10. I'd like to think he was running just to have certain issues addressed, like Kucinich
When Sharpton ran, we'd never even come close to having an African American candidate with a serious shot at the nomination. Cain, however, doesn't even know what issues he stands for. He is the issue as far as I can tell. I do agree however that Sharpton is a great self-promoter.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:11 PM
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21. He was less a serious candidate than Jesse Jackson was in 1988 nt
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:29 PM
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22. He was an extraordinary candidate
who gave some of the most rousing speeches I've ever heard. But Jackson didn't have a serious shot. He received no favorable press; the media decided he wasn't going to get positive coverage.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:58 PM
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11. Hard for me as a resident of DC to say that: he essentially ran on DC voting rights
And he does take that issue very seriously.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:04 PM
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15. He essentially ran on being Al Sharpton. Eleanor Holmes Norton does more to promote...
D C voting rights in any give DAY than Al Sharpton did in that campaign.
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MFrohike Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:40 PM
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6. Estes Kefauver
I had to go way back, but he comes to mind.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:58 PM
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12. Actually he won several primaries in 1956 & when he ran in '52 defeated Truman in New Hampshire
His showing in '56 got him enough delegates to be nominated (in an open vote at the convention) for VP against such people as Hubert Humphrey, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
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MFrohike Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:30 PM
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19. True
I mentioned him because most of his contemporaries thought of him as a sub-par senator and essentially out for himself. He never seemed to be a really serious candidate until 1956, if only due to Adlai Stevenson dragging his heels.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:40 PM
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7. Hillary Clinton
i keed, i keed. :-)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:47 PM
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9. You Really Think Cain is a Sham Candidate?
At this point, it looks like he has a pretty good shot of winning the nomination.

I don't why a lot of these minor candidates run even when everyone knows they don't have a shot. Some of them, like Ron Paul, may be trying to drive the debate in a certain direction. Some of them may be fooling themselves. It's really hard to read motivation into others, especially if they have a completely different belief system.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:06 PM
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16. Yes I think Cain is a sham candidate. I didn't include Paul. He is a candidate who
has no chance of winning but is sincere in pushing his issues, crazy though they be.

Apparently Cain has no significant campaign people for GOTV operations etc. If he were serious about winning, he would be hard at work translating his current bump of popularity into something that could win Iowa or SC for him by raising more money and translating it into ground operations, and focusing ad buys on critical states instead of national ones.

I also don't include Bachmann. She has no chance, but is sincere in her moonbat lunacy.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:28 PM
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18. Selling books, and auditioning for Fox air time ... ala Sarah and Newt.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:58 PM
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13. Lyndon LaRouche (nt)
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:01 PM
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14. You're assuming that being a sham candidate is something unusual for Republicans.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:02 PM by TheWraith
When was the last time that they ran someone who wasn't either a sacrificial monkey (Perot, McCain) or a media creation (Bush)?
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:08 PM
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20. Jesse Jackson.
He had no chance when he ran and just was trying to promote himself.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:41 PM
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23. Pat Paulsen had more gravitas than either.
On running for President: "Why not? I can't dance besides, the job has a good pension plan and I'll get a lot of money when I retire."
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:52 PM
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24. John Reid Edwards. nt
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 05:56 AM
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25. DLCer Bruce Babbitt in 1988. NT
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:19 AM
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26. Edwards. His his 2 Americas was right, but his actions were fake
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Cigar11 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 11:36 AM
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27. Whenever Repubs bring up Sharpton

... 1988 Tawana Brawley follows .... NEXT
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:57 PM
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29. I think Newt was serious when he entered the race
Cain must be serious now, he's in the lead.
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