MSM is now trying hard to bring Obama poll numbers down to make some news

[ind_thinker2]

Gallup is 50% for three days with opposition increasing to 44%
Qunnipac is now 48%
Rassmusen is 46% ( Food for Beck and Hannity )

vs

WapoABC 56%
CNN 55%
CBS 53%
Pew 51%
WSJ 51%


WHAT IS GOING ON?

[beyond cynical]

1. Actually, Obama is doing a pretty good job of it all by himself.

[liberal N proud]

3. Huh?

[tridim]

4. beyond pizza. nt

[babylonsister]

5. How so? Do tell. nt

[beyond cynical]

7. Look around here--read...

[Cha]

9. Yeah, we can read just fine..you have nothing.

[beyond cynical]

23. I don't need anything--it's all right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4153138

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x6335

[Cha]

26. Like I said..you have nothing.

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[cliffordu]

21. Not many lulz in the basement, hmm??

[uponit7771]

28. Do you think the OP's numbers are accurate?!?!

[Vincardog]

2. The Corporate Controlled Media is trying to kill off the Obama presidency. Why? They work for the

same masters.

[Cha]

10. That's your first fucking clue..

they don't.

[mcablue]

6. I don't like the MSM but...half of those pollsters are not "the MSM"

Quinnipiac is a university, Gallup is an independent polling firm, Pew is owned by a think tank. and although Rasmussen is a right-wing hack, he is not the media.

[Cha]

12. They're corporatewhores..

same difference..and Quinnipiac is also biased.

http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/quinnipiac_ohio_poll_shows_conservative_bias

[mcablue]

13. Who's "smiosere"?

You linked to a blog post by a person with a nickname who claims that Quinnipiac is biased. His name is "smiosere." Is there anything more, let's say, prestigious to go by?

[Cha]

15. I knew I'd have no problem finding something

because I've been reading for years how biased quinnipiac is.


Quinnipiac polls (Rupert Murdoch polls?)"

by enthusiast, Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:45:45 PM EST

The latest numbers from Quinnipiac suggest biased polling data - biased sampling procedures (biased in favor of John McCain and the Republican Party). We now learn that the Quinnipiac polls are sponsored by the Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch."

Coincidence?

It used to be possible to rely on Quinnipiac University polling, but that era may now be past, if Quinnipiac is going to bend its sampling procedures to suit the owner of the Wall Street Journal and Fox News, Rupert Murdoch.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/24/144545/327

Now you don't need to believe this but I do.

Maybe some other DUers can chime in who have had experience with Quinnipiac polling..only the prestigious ones need apply;)

[mcablue]

16. What evidence do you have that Quinnipiac is sponsored by Murdoch? That a nickname said so?

Previously, I asked if you could find something more "prestigious" than a guy with a nickaname writing a blog post. You then proceeded to find another nickname making claims without evidence to back them up.

[Cha]

22. There's more..

<snip>

"Looking at the following Press Release from Quinnipiac University you would think Barack Obamas approval rating in Ohio (a major swing state) has dropped from 62% to 49% during the period from May 2009 to July 2009. You would think that because that is basically what Quinnipiac is telling us."


"Unfortunately, a poll is not any different than an article, either online or in a newspaper, magazine. While an article is swayed by the bias of the individual (s) writing it, poll numbers are swayed by the exact questions asked, the number of individuals polled, whether or not they are registered voters, and what political party, if any, they prefer and their location."

<snip>

"The following statement made by Peter A. Brown of the polling institute about this poll is interesting."

"The economy in Ohio is as bad as anywhere in America. These numbers indicate that for the first time voters have decided that President Barack Obama bears some responsibility for their problems," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute

"After President Obama has been in office for a total of five months; Brown is suggesting the current President is responsible for some of the economic problems in Ohio. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. When the prior administration left office no one knew the total economic damage that was caused by their economic policies. It will be many, many more months before all the data is brought to light and the damage assessed."

<and even more>
http://searchwarp.com/swa512308-How-To-Interpret-And-Manipulate-Political-Polls.htm

[mcablue]

25. Nate Silver, October 2008: Quinnipiac is "a good pollster

"Some of the academic firms, like Quinnipiac University, is a good pollster,"

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/23/the_spreadsheet_psychic_with_fivethreeeightcom_nate

Why didn't the great expert Nate Silver noticed that Quinnipiac sold its soul to the MSM? Could it be that Nate doesn't believe that nonsense?

[Cha]

27. So? I've seen evidence to the contrary.

[mcablue]

24. I guess we should conclude that Murdoch didn't endorse the most recent Quinnipiac approval poll then

Since you jumped to an unrelated comment by a photographer/web designer instead.

Here's what an internet dude said about Quinnipiac: "Live polls like Quinnipiac still have clearly proven their worth, but one thing is clear - you have to give SurveyUSA, PPP, and Rasmussen their due."

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/2009/11/so-who-were-best-pollsters-of-2009.html

It's amazing the wide range of opinions one can find by googling things such as "quinnipiac biased" and "quinnipiac unbiased" or "quinnpiac best pollster" and "quinnipiac sucks" to cite some possibilities.

[jenmito]

18. I was push-polled by Quinnipiac once...

it was way back when Spitzer was still a governor. They asked me things like, "Do you support Elliot Spitzer even though he's considered a bully by some?" (paraphrased, but that's the idea) I kept answering "yes" no matter how hard they pushed.

[Jennicut]

20. Good find Cha!

Quinnipiac is done out of CT, in Hamden at Quinnipiac University.

"Quinnipiac started conducting local surveys in 1988 as an outgrowth of a marketing class. In 1994, the university hired a CBS News election-night analyst to expand the relatively casual polling services into a full-time operation. It did this, at least in part, to make a name for itself. (And the "Q-Poll," as it's called by those in the know, does attract publicity. A 2007 New York Times article on the university's basketball coach noted that Quinnipiac is "best known for its polling institute.") Q-Pac started polling New Jersey in 1996 and Pennsylvania in 2002; now it partners with the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal to conduct surveys in swing states. (The two papers donate money to a scholarship fund for journalism students rather than paying for services directly.)"http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.xml

[rocktivity]

14. Some of them are paid by the MSM, and all need them need the MSM's free advertising

so they can continue to get poll assignments so they can continue to get paid. You think they're not going to be tempted to skew their results if the MSM seems to favor certain results?

But not even that explains why two of the eight polls have Obama below fifty percent, or why the MSM is trying to turn the two "maverick" polls into "news."


rocktivity

[Clio the Leo]

11. Until they can do something to the 75% favorability numbers.....

here... http://thepage.time.com/quinnipiac-obama-poll/

(which are HIGHER than when he was elected and have remained untouched throughout his presidency)

.... AND do something to make the GOP more likable, they're wasting their time.

Reagan Obama is still looking pretty invincible from a relective standpoint at this time.

[railsback]

17. No matter

It will all change after health care reform is passed. 'And also', it means nothing about who they would vote for in 2012. People can be pissed all they want about Obama's methods, but that in no way equates to voting for a Republican. They have nothing but idiots over there, and this country has had enough of idiots.

[doc03]

19. For Christ-sake i don't know if he could

even 46% on DU lately. All I see anymore is criticism about jobs, the economy, health-care, you name it.

[jenmito]

29. MSNBC was trumpeting Quinnipiac's poll, comparing Obama's #s falling below 50% to

other presidents even though they're using OTHER presidents' approval ratings from GALLUP (which does NOT have Obama falling below 50%).