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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:17 AM
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Bush's third term?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:18 AM
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1. Unrec. Highly offensive. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:51 AM
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16. not as offensive as this
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:59 AM by Skittles
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44389812/ns/politics-the_ne... /

extra coward points for doing it on a Friday before a holiday weekend
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:00 AM
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26. It is NOT cowardly to follow the law
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:02 AM
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28. And yes depicting a BLACK man in 'white face' IS very offensive
it's just as bad as a depiction of a 'white' man in 'black face'.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:06 AM
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:08 AM
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35. Are you kidding, dammit not everything is about race on here!
He's being morphed with Bush, I'm so sick of the race card. Pathetic.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:13 AM
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53. The race card is very
overused on DU.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:52 AM
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48. Obama is half white n/m
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:06 AM
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33. Yes. That's a TOUGH one. Maybe he wants those lawsuits up and running. Maybe he wants this as an
issue against Republicans in Congress, so if Democrats can succeed they can either create or bring pressure to bear on the issue in other ways.

I think PO deserves valid critique, but I'm having serious trouble believing that he is pro-polluter and the two possibilities I suggest are not really far-fetched.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:09 AM
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36. .
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 01:09 AM by Skittles
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:21 AM
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41. A copy of the LETTER that details WHY President Obama had Sunstein send the rule back to the EPA

A copy of the LETTER that details WHY President Obama had Sunstein send the rule back to the EPA for reconsideration
http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/20...


p.s. I'm not surprised that the article link you posted in your comment did NOT give the other side of the story. The reasons WHY Obama sent the rule back to the EPA were NOT mentioned in your linked article.

Facts are our friends.
Knowing only half of story doesn't cut it ;)

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:31 AM
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43. you just do NOT fucking get it
he just doesn't FIGHT - if it's all so fucking cool, why the Friday news dump?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 AM
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45. Hey, I'd like to see more fight too, but doesn't it matter that it's a request for a re-write? NOT a
pro-polluter selling out.

Make the case for fighting, not for something absurd such as "he's pro-polluter".

..................................

Q. What would be one way to get the rules & any effective lawsuits to focus? A. A re-write that environmental legal activists track closely.

What would you do if you thought that some rules caused un-necessary problems. Problems that were already addressed by others means. Problems for which you have limited time and resources to address. If the better rules & lawsuits strip the issue of un-necessary controversy, then one knows what remaining controversy there is it is necessary to go to the mat for, instead of expending resources on stuff that is of lesser priority, because it is dealt with elsewhere.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 AM
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46. Because Sept 2nd is when Sunstein sent the letter to Jackson.
It couldn't have been picked up by the media before that.

There is NOTHING to fight about.
The normal scheduled review results will come out in 2013, that is when ALL the new changes will be made.

Is that so hard to understand?

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:13 AM
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38. Obama is NOT a pro-polluter. See the links below

This
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

and this

A copy of the LETTER that details why President Obama asked Sunstein to send the rule back to the EPA for reconsideration
http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/20...


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:21 AM
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2. Probably won't be coming too soon enough for you!
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:26 AM by FrenchieCat
And I hope when you get your new cabinet along with your new president,
I won't have to hear whining...instead, I'll probably hear piercing screaming and
uncontrollable wailing going on forever like a waterfall.

------------------------------

What Id like folks to envision in the meantime is what would happen if progressives woke up the morning of November 7th, and reality hit that the President-elect is not Barack Obama?

Sure, some on the Left would feel vindicated to witness Barack Obama defeated, believing that they had won the battle of principles theyd waged for four years to show President Obama their disappointment in him. They would inevitably blame him for their choice not to donate, not to work, and/or simply not to have voted.
<>

How will you feel when the new President nominates partisan cabinet members like Phil Gramm for Treasury, Jeb Bush for the Justice Department, John Kasich for the Office of Management and Budget, Scott Walker for Labor Secretary, Paul Ryan for Health and Human Services, Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State, John McCain as Secretary of Defense, and Newt Gingrich as UN Ambassador? Sure, it may not be those particular ideologues in those exact positions; in fact, it could be worse still. Keep that in mind.

How will you feel when the new President gets a chance to replace Justice Kennedy, or worse yet, Justices Breyer and Ginsberg? What about all of the other judicial nominees that the new President will get to choose?

How will you feel when the new President decides to nominate folks over at the FCC who would vote against Net Neutrality? How mad would you be if the Internet became less of a factor for free speech, and more of a factor for message manipulation and propaganda?
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As importantly, how will you feel that you didnt do everything possible to assist in the 2012 re-election campaign because you rationalized that there was nothing good you could say about President Barack Obama, or you conveniently convinced yourself that someone else would handle your share (or so you assumed)? How will you justify protest then, or even be angry knowing that you always had a choice and yet you chose to do less than you could do?
more...http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/09/03/we-all-h...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:22 AM
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3. naw
Obama gives purty speeches
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:58 AM
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23. And how will you be persuaded to vote for your Ideal Magical Progressive?
Telepathic brain waves?

:eyes:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:00 AM
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24. I don't need an IDEAL MAGICAL progressive
just a PROGRESSIVE will be fine
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:23 AM
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:25 AM
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5. Trolls don't have 1,000's of posts, know the definition
I posted this because I don't like what he's turning into. I want him to stand up and go back to being Obama 2008.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:27 AM
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8. I know the definition.
And you fit it.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:34 AM
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10. What's the definition of paid shill?
Mirror?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:51 AM
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17. You must have mirror in hand,
I would just assume!
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:41 AM
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44. Definition of shill
English is a difficult language. Dictionary. Use one. Non?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:04 AM
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30. Are you outing yourself?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:35 AM
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11. You don't know jack
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:36 AM by Ter
Just your handle alone is a contradiction. Keep supporting Obama. He's going to have to earn my support. I hope he gets it, there's still time.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:29 AM
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9. No, some have 2000+ posts instead.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:42 AM
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13. Bleh
I've never met one that got past 800. Perhaps some fail to see the meaning behind the post. I hate the picture I posted, and want to reverse it. Unfortunately, that's what it looks like now. But the good news is it's not to late to change it back into the great man we all knew in 2008.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:42 AM
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12. I don't know what you thought you heard in 2008, but it wasn't what a lot of us would have called
anything like Left/Liberal/Progressive.

Maybe the Bush nightmare created heightened expectations, but lots of us, Liberals and such, voted with our eyes wide open about the centrist known as Barack Obama.

Take responsibility for your own mis-perceptions.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:44 AM
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14. I didn't vote for him in the primary
However, one he was our nominee, I had at least hoped he would end the wars and the unPatriot Act. I'm sorry, I was wrong.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:49 AM
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15. I'm sorry that you're sorry.....
and I'm sorry that you really don't care about much of the facts,
and something called political reality.

That's what sad....folks who act like they know everything,
but in reality, barely read anything that could provide them
with information.

Here's some. http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/so-that-ignorance...
Why don't you read that, and come back to us as a normal person?

You can also read this:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


and finish off with this: http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/09/03/we-all-h... /

If you don't start realizing how you impacting on those who need help the most,
than you aren't really thinking!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:52 AM
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19. He was my third choice. Richardson first, for what he was saying about the wars. I listened
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:55 AM by patrice
extremely carefully to every word Obama said about the wars, BECAUSE he was so tentative and I needed to figure out if he was different from Hillary who sold us out in the IWR vote.

I cannot say that what I am seeing is much different from what he said about the wars in 2008.

If he said anything about ending the Patriot Act, you're going to need to post it here, because I don't think he did.

Sorry it is the way that it IS, but mis-representing Obama is NOT going to help any of that and CAN VERY POSSIBLY make everything that you hate, everything that is wrong, MUCH MUCH worse.

PBO is not above criticism, but let's keep the criticism on the issues, without this personal BuSHIT, and keep it honest, because that's the best thing to do for all of us.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:02 AM
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27. Are you serious about the Patriot Act?
You didn't know that he votes to extend it every chance he gets? Do you seriously need me to post a link (I will, but am baffled it's even necessary)? He also will never pull out of the two big wars during his presidency. Ever. He may change the name and call it a "transition", but the same amount of troops are dying daily. In Afghan, we just had the most deadly month ever in nearly 10 years of war. Plus he expanded it to another war. He is terrible on peace.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:10 AM
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37. I know that. YOU said he didn't do whatever he said in 2008 and I asked for a 2008 link in which he
said he'd end the Patriot Act.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:53 AM
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49. Here's what Obama said in February 2006
Mr. OBAMA: Mr. President, 4 years ago, following one of the most devastating attacks in our Nations history, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act to give our Nations law enforcement the tools they needed to track down terrorists who plot and lurk within our own borders and all over the worldterrorists who, right now, are looking to exploit weaknesses in our laws and our security to carry out even deadlier attacks than we saw on September 11th.

We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

But soon after the PATRIOT Act passed, a few years before I ever arrived in the Senate, I began hearing concerns from people of every background and political leaning that this law didnt just provide law enforcement the powers it needed to keep us safe, but powers it didnt need to invade our privacy without cause or suspicion. Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an either- or type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.


Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, its still better than what the House originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe.

In this compromise:

We strengthened judicial review of both national security letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.
We established hard-time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.
We protected most libraries from being subject to national security letters.
We preserved an individuals right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBIs wrath.
And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches. The compromise is far from perfect.
I would have liked to see stronger judicial review of national security letters and shorter time limits on sneak and peak searches, among other things.

Senator Feingold has proposed several sensible amendmentsthat I supportto address these issues. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader is preventing Senator Feingold from offering these amendments through procedural tactics. That is regrettable because it flies in the face of the bipartisan cooperation that allowed the Senate to pass unanimously its version of the Patriot Acta version that balanced security and civil liberty, partisanship and patriotism.

The Majority Leaders tactics are even more troubling because we will need to work on a bipartisan basis to address national security challenges in the weeks and months to come. In particular, members on both sides of the aisle will need to take a careful look at President Bushs use of warrantless wiretaps and determine the right balance between protecting our security and safeguarding our civil liberties.

This is a complex issue. But only by working together and avoiding election-year politicking will we be able to give our government the necessary tools to wage the war on terror without sacrificing the rule of law.

So, I will be supporting the PATRIOT Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the PATRIOT Act after it is reauthorized.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/01/clinton-slams-... /

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:13 AM
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39. BTW, "he votes"??? What country do you live in? What system of governance are you talking about?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:48 AM
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47. He signed the extension and pushed for it when it was up for debate again and again
Better?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:07 AM
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52. Yes, thanks. I hate all of that. I would also hate it if we were attacked again. I don't know what
to do about this.

Any movement to end the wars will be completely destroyed by an effective terrorist strike which we have increased the probability of with our wars.

In a lot of ways, though I regret it, I am willing to deal with things as they are rather than as I wish them to be. That's much harder to do on this issue, because the way these things are is the opposite of what I thought this nation is. I have no idea how to go back, except by means of somekind of cataclysm that requires that we start all over again from scratch. That's too high a price to pay. I don't know what to do about this dilemma.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:28 AM
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54. The one that villifies greedy teachers?
You know, Arne Duncan's crusade to privatize schools.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:22 AM
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42. Why is it that people from your perspective fail to understand other posts so completely & so often?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:25 AM
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7. LOLOL
THAT ain't no troll
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:25 AM
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6. A picture may be a thousand words, but it's NOT a rational case for or against anything.
Fail.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:52 AM
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18. Bullshit fit for a Freeper. IBTL.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:56 AM
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21. Pretty sure Freepers hate Obama and still support Shrub
n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:00 AM
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25. Don't even try to pass this shit off as 'holding his feet to the fire'.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:05 AM
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32. Look, I am disappointed with Obama and want someone else
It doesn't make me a Freeper, I'm not voting for a puke. I want Obama to stop caving in or have another Democrat enter the race.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:17 AM
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40. Another "Democrat" - that WON'T WORK & anyone who says it can produce anything like a positive
effect for anyone other than ticket splitting so-called third party stuff is seriously and profoundly DELUSIONAL.

It's not time yet; all you're going to do is produce iterations of the same dynamic and hurt more people so that Liberal resolutions become less and less likely as toxic critical masses grow.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:55 AM
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20. And Rimjob's sockpuppet checks in.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:57 AM
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22. Wow, instant regret for clicking on this. But don't worry, I'm sure you'll
get tons of recs and zoom to the Greatest page.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:03 AM
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29. If it's strategically posted, it will receive
"Oh, how painfully truthful. Rec'd"

"Ouch!"

"Oh, snap!!"




...as it has the last time it was flung against the wall.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:04 AM
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31. Yep. This poster should have put this in GD, he'll have to wait longer for the payoff on GDP.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:57 AM
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50. That's creepy.
:dem:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:00 AM
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51. Whoa
I had to do a double take at that one.

One of the weirdest pics I've seen.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:36 AM
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55. Wait, this is one of those "legitimate criticism" posts, right?
Disgusting,hyperbolic bullshit. Unrec.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:40 AM
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56. Locking
Disrespectful nicknames, crude insults, or right-wing smears against Democrats.
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