Twenty years from now.. the Obama (he is not a liberal or Democrat crew)

[Peacetrain]

will be talking about what an amazing job he did with the challenges he inherited.

Bet you a dollar to a doughnut.

[MrTriumph]

1. Your blinders are working pretty well, huh?

x

[Bodhi BloodWave]

39. A good question, do you mind if I borrow yours since they seem to allow a more narrow view n/t

[Enrique]

2. when Bush started talking like that

that's when we knew he was in real trouble. "Let history judge..."

[Dawgs]

3. ++++++++++++++++ n/t

:hi:

[Peacetrain]

4. We'll see.. still have that coffee bet on

;)..

[Enrique]

7. remind me what that was

my calendar where I marked it is at home. ;-)

[Peacetrain]

9. Good one..

I have it marked.. :rofl:

[IcyMedic]

10. Ha.. n/t

[jpak]

11. Mmm - OK

[MissDeeds]

21. Right you are

Funny how that double standard works.

[Dawgs]

5. Just like we're saying for Clinton, right? n/t

[polmaven]

23. Well, yes...just like many

are saying about President Clinton. He left the country with a surplus, and if President Gore had been allowed to assume his office, that would have continued. Even NAFTA
would probably have worked out if we'd had someone who knew what he was doing in office.

[Dawgs]

45. That's what you're saying. Most people don't think of Clinton in that way. n/t

[polmaven]

48. President Clinton left office

with the highest approval rating since WWII. In January, 2001, he had a 66% approval rating. If the 22nd amendment didn't exist, he would have been handily reelected had he chose to run again.

[Fuddnik]

6. Graduate of the LoZoccollo Academy Of One Line...........

Comedy?

[Pirate Smile]

8. Yep. Can't see the forest for the trees.

[LaurenG]

12. Well he isn't progressive enough for me, he campaigned as a different Obama,

but I can see that he's had tough time having to take over from the crazy crew.

I would have appreciated some bigger crumbs of bread tossed this way and I will be ecstatic if he keeps all hands off SS and Medicare. If not I definitely won't be saying what a great job he did.

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[Enrique]

14. in 20 years, I predict Miley Cyrus will be president

and no one will remember Obama. Anyone want to bet?

[NICO9000]

17. We'd be better off with President Gaga

At least she's an actual progressive!

[Armstead]

49. Sounds like the ,movie Idiocracy

If you haven't seen it, find it and watch it.

Very funny, but depressingly accurate portrayal of the future if society continues on the same path.

[jaxx]

15. I'm with you Peacetrain.

K&R

[tblue]

16. He's kinda doing that already.

I don't get your point. Sowwy.

[coalition_unwilling]

18. Not this member. I will be instead talking about how a chief

executive sworn to uphold the Constitution and see that the laws were faithfully executed instead chose not to investigate serious credible allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity by the Bush regime on the grounds of 'needing to look forward, not backward.'

I will not forget and I will not forgive. This is not what I voted for in 2008.

[Cosmocat]

28. yeah ...

I voted for BO and was 100 percent certain he was not going to have investigations of Bush when I did.

Not sure what candidate you voted for.

BTW - congress is where investigations like this are generated - see, Clinton, Bill.

One Nancy Pelosi vowed prior to the dems taking the House two years prior to BO winning the presidency that they would not investigate Bush.

NOW, I don't like it, I would prefer to have these scumbags held accountable for what they did, but ...

NO ONE was interested in doing it. And, again, I was 100 percent certain that BO was not going to push for it when I voted for him.

[Vattel]

36. The DOJ does not need Congress's permission

to investigate war crimes.

[coalition_unwilling]

41. Your ignorance of how our government works is so profound that

one hardly knows where to start.

Investigations like this are NOT routinely generated in Congress, although the work of special counsels and federal grand juries often culminates in congressional investigations.

If what you said were true, then why did BO feel a need to announce publicly that there would be no investigations in the interests of "looking forward, not backward"? He could have simply passed the buck to Congress, according to your version of how government works.

Whatevs.

[Cosmocat]

46. Regardless ...

of your arrogant retort - you WANTED to think BO would go after them. Sorry, but it was pretty clear that BO had no intent to go after them ...

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[TrainToCry]

20. They will still have no shame. And will conveniently forget how they stood in Obama's way.

[LaurenG]

22. W.H.A.T.E.V.E.R The only ones standing in his way is him and the

idiots in Washington. We are all out here trying to push him ahead. :eyes:

[Armstead]

50. Yep. We are the reason he decided to allow,the public option to die, tax cuts extended, etc.

[okieinpain]

24. hell he's done a pretty damn good job now. why would anyone

have to wait on history to know that.

[Hawkowl]

25. Just like Bill Clinton!!

Oh, wait. He really fucked up the economy and set the stage for the banking meltdown? Maybe Obama will have the same legacy as Bill--except without the happy growth time during his presidency.

[Beacool]

26. Clinton oversaw the largest economic growth in 40 years.

Obama won't be so lucky.

:shrug:

[Hawkowl]

27. Bernake doesn't have Greenspan's options

Greenspan gave Clinton the growth with the free money policy. Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall and let Wall Street run amok.

Obama and Bernake don't have that option because the jig. Is. Up. No more air to blow bubbles with.

[bvar22]

29. Isn't that the same thing Bush-the-Lesser used to say...

...about his administration?



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[LWolf]

30. Not a fucking chance. nt

[Number23]

31. Oh, I am SO with you on that.

I've also said that 20 or so years from now, these same (mostly white) liberals who act as though he's El Diablo himself will be RUNNING, not walking, RUNNING to claim his ass as some liberal champion while right now they criticize every breath the man takes.

These folks did the same thing to MLK. King was absolutely HATED by mainstream whites when he was alive, though they still preferred him to Malcolm who was much too "scary." Fast forward 50+ years and every damn body just loves to quote the man and act as though they ALWAYS loved him. They use his face as their avatar, quote him in their sig line while mysteriously minimizing/distorting what he actually was. As if he was anything but a black rights activist, which is not only what he was incredibly passionate about, it is what he is known and lauded the ENTIRE world for and it's what he died for.

Anyone who thinks these folks won't be doing the same thing to Obama has not been paying attention. EVER.

[Ikonoklast]

53. Amen. Truth all the way.

When the 'Liberals' that never got a dirt under their fingernails one day in their lives for a paycheck finally look back, they'll be procaliming from the highest mountain how much they loved Presdient Obama, even though they are still all pissy over him beating St. Hillary for the nomination.


Just as it was with Dr. King, just as it was. They largely ignored the man while he was alive, afraid of alienating the white vote if they took a public stance for human rights for all, and embraced him only after he was gone.

[w4rma]

32. Obama is not going down in the history books as anything but a weak president.

I wish it weren't true, but he shows absolutely no signs of acting like he said he would as a candidate and he's already filled his cabinet with jerk-offs.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. Not taking that bet.

Just paid a buck twenty for a doughnut.

[whatchamacallit]

34. What a joke. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

35. Meh...The policies sucked twenty years ago, they suck now, and I suspect they will suck

in a score of years.

Also, the odds of dollars being worth more than a doughnut in twenty years are pretty minimal, by the way. The bet isn't a good one, it is set up to lose.

[RBInMaine]

38. So just how is life these days out on the fringe of the fringe? Guess you'd rather have Perry, eh?

[Fuddnik]

40. BOO!!!!!

[TheKentuckian]

60. What did the conversation have to do with "rather have Perry"?

Perry providing near certain potential for worse does not put lipstick on the old pig and certainly no matter how awful any subsequent Presidents are it doesn't mean I'll one day be pining away for these "salad days".

As far as the fringe shit, I'm happy to stand where my feet are along the spectrum, I have no desire or need to chase whatever new "center" is framed up. It is just fine, I'm who I was when I might be called a mainstream Democrat with a little more mileage.

[RBInMaine]

37. I admire you trying to talk reason to the fringe, but don't waste too much energy. :-)

[Fearless]

44. You can still say "fringe" after the banking decision too? Pity.

[Armstead]

51. Don't try to argue with an obsessive

[boppers]

42. "They" generally don't hate FDR.

That's a pretty good indicator about having a long term view that matches one's personal, temporary, anger.

[Fearless]

43. +1

[_ed_]

47. It's too bad I can't unrec this twice

Fact-free reverence of the Dear Leader.

Reminds me how Republicans used to say that Bush wasn't "understood" and would be revered later.

[Peacetrain]

54. ROFL.. okay... ED UNREC IT TWICE!

There you go.. a shout out of your efforts. :patriot:

[Armstead]

52. That will depend on whether he decides to actually start doing an amazing job

It's possible, if he gets out of his Compromise Corner and stops pandering to corporations and Republicans and Teabaggers.

If his future performance is consistent with his past so far, however, I think the verdict will be more like "mediocre caretaker and lost opportunity."

[Peacetrain]

55. Armstead... If I am still kicking and screaming 20 years from now

and this place is still up and Skinner and crew are not trying to keep it going from the nursing home, you can haul this prediction back out and beat me over the proverbial head with it, if it is not true.. I think history is going to be very kind to this President.

[Armstead]

58. 20 years from now....

I will probably be a bit too old to beat anyone over the head with anything. But we shall see...

[swilton]

56. Only if they create a nice piece of fiction

[totodeinhere]

57. If we are even around 20 years from now. n/t

[Whisp]

59. and they'll be lying to their grandkids about how they

supported this great President.

because they would be too ashamed to admit the smutty name calling they did, the disrespect they gave him, the out and out crazyness that rivals the Baggers.

[WiffenPoof]

61. It's Funny That This Thread Came Up...

I was just thinking to myself earlier today how Obama will feel about his presidency 20 years from now. I have the view that he will be very disappointed in himself. By then, he will have the life experience to understand the opportunity he had and squandered.

-P

[LetTimmySmoke]

62. Yep, talking about what an amazing job he did for the banks.