DeFazio says Obama lacks will to fight, may lose Oregon

[BeanCounting]

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/DeFazio-says-Obama-lacks-will-to-fight-may-lose/2CfptyCJdEmdwkHA1JMHqw.cspx

[FrenchieCat]

1. Kewl!

Now all we need to do is to jump into the ditches that we are digging for ourselves.

We are so damn smart, till it will hurt us, and then we will pretend we had nothing to
do with it.

[rhett o rick]

16. Obama demonstrated immediately upon getting elected, that he was going to

abandon the left to win favor from the DLC, The Third Way, New-Damocrats, or whatever you want to call the New-Conservatives. His first slap in the face for the left was his selection of Rick Warren who he calls "America's pastor". Then Rahm, Geitner, etc, etc. He appears to really want the votes from the Conservatives. He knows he has us over a barrel. It is literally impossible to primary him and if we vote third party or stay home we will be blamed for what happens. He may get reelected but he will have to give away the middle class standard of living.

At one time the Democratic Party was the progressive party. Now they are the New-Conservative Party.

[FrenchieCat]

35. Keep hammering away.......

and make sure to be courageous enough to stand up and raise your hand,
to take the responsibility when you get exactly what you earned by your
diligent and steadfast work of holding grudges and finding fault.
You join the Republicans and the Corporate media in that endeavor.

Good luck to you and all of the issues you claim to care so much about...
because assisting in flushing them down the Republican toilet is the only
thing you will accomplish. If you think that helps in anyway, you are gravely mistaken, IMO.

[rhett o rick]

57. I see our Democracy slipping away and will continue "hammering away" trying to save it.

Pray tell me what "issues" that I "claim to care so much about" that you disagree with? You wont answer. I have asked that question a hundred times and never get an answer. Apparently you dont care about issues just as long as there is a D in the WH.

The good ship America is sinking rapidly and Pres Obama is rearranging the deck chairs. And you are ok with that. I am not. He might not be capable of fixing our problems, at least he should act like he cares, but he keeps appointing CONservatives. I notice that you dont refute that he appoints CONservatives. I guess you think that whatever he does is ok.

I work with people that struggle for their next meal. I see families living in their cars or tents. I see neighbors and family without jobs, homes, retirements or health care.

[TrainToCry]

69. you might get further banging your head against a wall.

[Po_d Mainiac]

75. What he just said n/t

[xiamiam]

105. wasting your time ..some are die hard supporters..no matter what he does..nt

[CreekDog]

76. well, how did the Rick Warren thing turn out?

How many votes will that net him?

[rhett o rick]

94. It was very successful. The deliberate slap in the face to the left was the warning

shot in a battle for votes. For every left vote Obama loses he is counting on picking up multiple center right. He wouldnt get these votes if he was cozy to the left.

[Big Blue Marble]

89. That toilet is flushing our middle class economy and quality of life

down that drain with either major party at the helm. The only question
left is how fast is the water going down that drain.

[rhett o rick]

91. President Obama's appointee Jeff Immelt sent an entire division of GE to China

while heading up the President's Jobs panel. Tell us how you rationalize that that is in our best interest. "Our" referring to the middle class.

Pres Obama is fiddling while America is burning.

The Revolution Is WAiting. Whose side are you on?

[Retrograde]

74. "He knows he has us over a barrel"

That's the way I feel - I'm not voting for a Republican, I'm not staying home, and while California looks solidly Democratic right now I do not want to see a Florida-style coup next year.

I think Obama's problems are that he's not as experienced as he thought he was, he's overawed by the trappings of government, and he let his early successes go to his head: I think one of the worst things that happened to him was getting the Nobel Peace Prize so early, with no substantial accomplishments to back it up. He's extremely intelligent, no question there, but I'm very disappointed in him as a negotiator: it may be stereotyping, but I expected more political savvy from someone out of Chicago.

One thing I'd like to see him do is use his influence in his party to replace Reid as majority leader. Bush and handlers were able to replace Lott when he was no longer useful - why can't Obama?

[Fearless]

80. +1

[rhett o rick]

61. And bytheway I think it is very unDemocratic to quell dissent by bullying. nm

[Sheepshank]

63. Martyrdom is very unappealing

you are not the victim in this. You are complicit in attempting to perpetrate a Democratic Presidential loss. How is that helping anyone?

[rhett o rick]

66. You call me a martyr because I want basic rights for Americans?

I will ask for the 101 time.....what issues of the left do you disagree with? I know you wont answer.

[Sheepshank]

67. haa haa, twisting the words into another martyr situation.

I disagree with your attempt at being the victim because you voice dissent and claim you are being bullied. No one is saying that holding Obama's feet to the flames is anti democratic...but you are not doing that. you are not offering anything constructive. You are not trying to improve anything. You bitch and moan. You bitch and moan and then pretend you are victimized when called on it. You are doing nothing to help anything....other that the Republican solidarity. You are contributing to splintering what should be a joint cause. Tell me what are you doing to help the situation what are you doing to make sure we don't get a GOP in office?

[rhett o rick]

71. Boy are you confused. Pres Obama doesnt want your "joint cause". He is using the left as a whipping

person to garner support from the New-Damocrats, The Third Way, the DLC, and other CONservatives. He has openly courted Conservatives in the face of the left and never reached out to the left. Look at who he surrounds himself with, CONservatives. He knows he has the left in a bad spot, they almost have to vote for him. But he is after the Old-Republicans.

And yes I am a victim along with the rest of the abandoned middle class.

I am actively working with the local Democratic Party and outside the Democratic Party to oust the damn corporitists that have coopted the Democratic Party. It used to be progressive. It is now the Conservative Party.

[Sheepshank]

83. Playing right into the hands of the Right.

and you defend that notion as if it were some noble higher cause. Your bought their message and you think this will not end up with GOP in the WH in 2012? Then you are a fool.

Buh Bye

[rhett o rick]

84. I am against having a corporatist in the WH. Apparently you arent. nm

[Sheepshank]

87. Good lord, your goal posts keep moving

and every single point you make is a repeated rw anit Obama meme. Can't you at least try to be original...and possibly genuine?

[rhett o rick]

88. All you are left with is name calling. I want more freedoms and rights and you call that RW meme.

The RW thinks Obama is too much of a socialist.

I think Obama isnt enough of a socialist.

You think ????? Oh, wait, you dont commit. You just try to bully with name calling.

Granted Obama is better than Bush, but he isnt doing near enough to save the country. But apparently he is doing enough to please you.

[Sheepshank]

92. Look at your last title... that ,in and of itself, is the type of crap I see on FR all the time

What freedoms has Obama taken away from you?

There's been no name calling, just pointing out what you are doing. And that is moving the goal posts when you cannot argue a meme that has been debunked a million times over and been called on it.

Can you not acknowledge he has given many things to his consituents? If you can't think of one (AND TRUST ME THERE HAVE BEEN MANY), I think you have shown your mettle and your are just proving you are not actually accomplishing anything except a constant whine...and I don't know what the hell that's worth to anyone except the RW.

So if you are trying and thinking and nothing is coming ...here are a few links http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x751914

[rhett o rick]

93. Apparently you spend more time at FR. They continue to ban me.

I was counting on Obama to reverse the Patriot Act, the MCA, and end domestic spying. Apparently Obama is content with the Bush status quo. Now try and tell me that that is a RW meme.

President Obama's appointee Jeff Immelt sent an entire division of GE to China while heading up the President's Jobs panel. Tell us how you rationalize that that is in our best interest. "Our" referring to the middle class. The RW is happy with that action, Obama is happy with that action, and I assume you are too (not that you will say. You dont state your stands on issues). I disagree with Immelt's actions. How does that reflect me agreeing with the RW.

[Sheepshank]

96. "Apparently Obama is content with the Bush status quo". ..."Obama is happy with that action,"

Those types of unverifiable and 'made up' (and let me add, nothing original) statements is a continuation of your RW memes. A meme designed to undermine and play right into what the Reps are trying to do. What's more, you have no proof of this statement.

I noticed your taking the W-I-D-E berth around admitting anything Obama did do.

You sound like a person without a home. You shouldn't have ticked off FR.

[rhett o rick]

101. You never mention your stances on the issues. Obama clearly continued Bush's Patriot Act. That isnt

a RW meme. Why dont you discuss issues instead of name calling?

[rhett o rick]

102. Dupe

[rhett o rick]

103. "I won't be shutting up or falling into line or be bullied into submission

by a bunch of intellectually crippled naive starry eyed sycophants handing out McCarthyist loyalty pledges to be signed as a condition of participating in a party I've been a member of for over 30 years."

I think this post says it all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[xiamiam]

106. never ending war is not a democratic ideal..nt

[Supersedeas]

104. I'm not sure that I follow...

[ProSense]

2. DeFazio

“At this point it pretty much depends on how far out there the Republican nominee is. You know with a respectable, someone who is a little bit toward the middle of the road Republican nominee, he’s going to have a very tough time getting re-elected,” said DeFazio.

...is like the others who are just saying any damn thing. Even if such a person existed, it's not clear what he's basing his opinion on except the notion that he thinks the President isn't fighting. I guess he hasn't ever seen the President campaign.

Ludicrous.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. What is ludicrous is the idea that DeFazio has not seen Obama

'campaign'. Peter introduced the unknown Obama to Oregon, he helped organize and promote every Obama rally in the State, and took considerable personal heat for his early selection of Obama over Clinton.
In addition, while so many claim we should not criticize the President but instead put more Democrats in Congress, Peter defeated a crazed Republican who was funded by out of State money especially targeting DeFazio. He did that while so many,many Democrats failed to defeat Tea Republicans.
Are you not thankful for Peter and his district holding that Democratic seat? For all the work he did in 08?

[Cali_Democrat]

18. DeFazio never loved him!

:cry:

[Carolina]

28. good reply

and oh so true. Sadly, in some people's eyes, BHO is blameless and can do no wrong!

[ProSense]

29. What a ludicrous response.

The question was rhetorical related to fighting an opponent.

On edit: Harry Reid defeated a well-financed teabagger. He isn't running around claiming Obama "may lose."

[Bluenorthwest]

41. Hmmmmm? What question was rhetorical?

I've lost track of your non responses. I do remember asking you if you were happy to have a Democrat in that seat, and thankful to DeFazio for his hard work for Obama here when Obama was a mere candidate, and I recall twice being called 'ludicrous' in the midst of incomprehensible screeds against my Democratic Representative.

[brentspeak]

47. I agree: your repeated attempts at spin on behalf of Obama and the WH are indeed "ludicrous"

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. It's really rich to hear you, of all people, talk about "spin"....

:spray:

[Sheepshank]

64. ain't that the truth

Brentspeak and truth have not been synonymous for a very long time.

[Hawkowl]

86. I guess you've never been to Oregon

You are trapped in your beltway office slaving away on your computer. Obama is going to lose much of the Western US. Why? Because no matter how much he tacks right, the rural conservatives hate his fucking guts. That's what is sad. Obama has this constant need to fuck his natural allies over while trying to court outright rascists who will never accept him. They've been brainwashed by Rush and Fox News, and they are never going to vote for him. NEVER. DeFazio represents perhaps THE most liberal district in Oregon. For him to say this means that yes, Obama is in trouble.

Romney would probably best Obama in most of the Western states given the formidable LDS organizational skills.

Bottom line: It's Obama's fault if he can't get people to turn out for him.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. Peter was a very early endorser of Obama in 08 and helped

deliver this State for Obama in the primary more than any other Democrat. He is absolutely correct that Oregonians are fed up with the jello act, and that we have precious little respect for those who do not have the will to fight.
Oregon was the sight of Obama's largest crowds, my personal precinct was wild for him. Now they feel he did a bait and switch.
DeFazio is correct, and it is really too bad that such is the case, but it is.

[aquamarina]

4. "Jello Act"

About sums it up.

[ProSense]

6. DeFazio

is all talk.


How do Oregonians feel about that vote?

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Oregonians do not click unmarked blue links when a poster

could simply stand and ask a question. We do not dig passive aggressive horseshit.

[ProSense]

14. They're afraid of links?

Who knew?

[Bluenorthwest]

23. No we are just not interestetd in playing games.

You could just say what vote you mean, and what you think about that vote, and get an answer. Instead you evade actual discussion (the point of DU) to play silly word twisting games which are childish and disrespectful of the process and of both politicians involved.

[ProSense]

25. Yeah

"You could just say what vote you mean"

... and the next question would be "link"?

Don't click the link, your choice.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Uh,no, I'd not ask for a link.

Just speak for yourself, say what you mean, let your own questions stand as framed by you. Whoever wrote whatever is at you most recent mystery link is not the person I am speaking to. I do not need any proof of how my own Rep voted on anything, you just tell me what bugged you and we'll talk about it. Will your fingers snap off if you simply type a line or two about that which you wish me to comment on, rather than demanding I follow your blue links of mystery? If you do not wish to speak your mind, why are you even here at all?

[ProSense]

33. Um

"Just speak for yourself, say what you mean, let your own questions stand as framed by you"

...I did. See?

Here's what it says at the link above:

DeFazio is all talk.

How do Oregonians feel about that vote?

[saras]

39. Sure. I could demonstrate, but it's against DU rules and unfair to non-Firefox users

[Carolina]

30. great phrase

"Jello Act," though I find BHO far less palatable now. Can't even stand to listen to his vacuous, meaningless speeches.

[xiamiam]

107. me too..can't listen any longer..and he is one of the best orators in generations

but..just words...

[Enrique]

5. don't think we're not keeping score

brother. ;-)

[Maven]

9. Oh, we know the enemies list is overflowing with lefties

brother. :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

15. Obama's a smart man. He knows a backstabber.

[Enrique]

19. yikes, that's strong language

Obama seems to bring out the vicious in people.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Every President has backstabbers from his own party, I'm sure.

Republicans are a little less likely to do it, IMO. Edit because my grammar sucks.

[Name removed]

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[CakeGrrl]

52. Yes, you should see some of the language from people who bash him.

Oh wait...

[Bluenorthwest]

37. So in 2012 you will be backing the Republican in Oregon's 4th?

Let me give you a link to learn about the guy Peter and the Democrats of his district defeated for you last time. You should send your thanks directly to DeFazio.
This link is information about Art Robinson, the link goes to a DeFazio website, the Robinson websites are not safe, find them and go to them if you don't trust the Democratic Congressman from my district.
http://whoisartrobinson.defazioforcongress.org/

Evey DU should look at that site and then come tell me how you dislike DeFazio.

[TwilightGardener]

38. I don't like his comments about the President. I think he's concern-trolling.

Other Dem lawmakers disagree with the President in a less harmful way. I will not change my opinion of the man, no matter how much of a paragon of progessivism he is held to be--I know what I see. He is a self-promoting backstabber.

[Bluenorthwest]

42. He is representing the People of his district. That is his job.

Name your Representative. Share with us who YOU elected in 2010.

[TwilightGardener]

43. I had just moved to my state in 2010, got registered this year when I

got my new state's drivers license. I will vote Democrat. If any of my Dem Reps and Senators publicly suggest that the Democratic President might lose, has no fight, etc., I will consider that official to be disloyal and unhelpful to the party.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. So you lived no place in 2010? You cast no vote?

You say you 'will vote Democrat'. We say Democratic. Here in Oregon at least. And "I will" sure does not mean "I always have" nor "I did in 10".
How did you vote in 2010? Did you even bother? Moving got in the way? So you helped put the Tea Republicans in power by knoodling through the cycle, and now you are whining at those of us who elected Democrats in our own States that they should speak to please you, a nonvoter in another State? And I hope to hell you looked at who it was we defeated while you were trying to organize your own voter registration. Any Democrat should be thankful DeFazio held that seat.

[TwilightGardener]

51. Well, I don't really have to defend myself against your insinuation that

I'm not really a Democrat, but I'll tell you that I moved several times in 2010 and did not register to vote in time in my new state. I was not paying attention much to politics locally, I was busy settling in and getting my kids settled in during election time. I have registered as a Democrat since I first registered to vote at 18. I did not always register in the many places I've lived, because I either wasn't paying attention to politics at the time or because I didn't live there long enough, as a military spouse.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. So no, you did not bother to vote, and yet you are here whining

that a State you do not live in elected a Democrat. You were not paying attention locally, and yet you are focused on my district. Interesting priorities you have. No voting, but lots of uninformed bullshit against Democrats who do vote and the Democrats we elect. Non voters have no leg to stand one while they whine about it all. You had an equal chance to be involved and you did not bother. We all have busy lives and families, TG. And the rest of us vote.
So you are an occasional voter, one who skipped the vital 2010 election. Many on DU say those who did not vote last time are to blame for the whole Tea Bagger mess. I agree.
Try to vote in 12, plan ahead and vote. Good lord.

[TwilightGardener]

77. Oh goodness, I move a lot and sometimes do not know a DAMN thing

about the local and state political races of the many states I've live in, and sometimes I miss registration deadlines. It's OK, you can stop clutching your pearls. And if I want to comment on national politics (and I do), I'm well within my right to do so.

[Big Blue Marble]

90. Loyalty, then is more important than truth-telling?

He is reporting what he is seeing in his district. His constituents are expressing
a deep dissatisfaction with the president, one that is shared by many here.

These were Obama voters in 08, So we should just shout them down, ignore them, or
remain in denial that essential base supporters are slipping away?

How in the hell does that win elections?

[quakerboy]

70. You bet he does

Good golly does he. You might even go so far as to say noone knows the breed better.

[pa28]

100. DeFazio is also a very smart man.

He might feel the same way.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Hi there! Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. Obama needs to find his eye of the tiger.

[graywarrior]

11. My guess is that Obama will come out swinging in Sept

I wish he was kicking ass now, but he still has an entire year before the elections and he's supposed to be doing his job now, not campaigning. Of course, I'm just an idiot. What the fuck do I know.

[ProSense]

12. Obama solid in Oregon

Obama solid in Oregon

Barack Obama holds double digits over all of his potential opponents for reelection in Oregon: he's up 12 points on Mitt Romney at 50-38, 18 against Tim Pawlenty and Michele Bachmann at 52-34 and 53-35 respectively, 21 against Herman Cain at 53-32, and 22 against Sarah Palin at 57-35.

<...>

-Obama's Oregon approval numbers are actually pretty tepid, with only 49% of voters approving of him to 45% disapproving. But despite his approval spread coming down at only +4 he still leads his potential foes by 12-22 points. It's another reminder that there's an important mass of voters that is not in love with Obama but still see him as a more palatable choice than any of the Republicans running. Consider the favorabilities of the GOP candidates in Oregon: Bachmann's at -10 (30/40), Cain at -12 (19/31), Romney at -16 (31/47), Pawlenty at -18 (19/37), and Palin at -32 (31/63). Their universal unpopularity makes it a lot easier for Obama to overcome some of his points of weakness.

<...>

[Bluenorthwest]

17. And if you would read what DeFazio is saying, it is just what you

posted. Obama's chances have much to do with the Republicans being unacceptable. Your quoted bit there at the end is exactly what Peter is saying, but you do not like Peter, so you wail and gnash your teeth, then try to counter him by saying what he just said.
"Their universal unpopularity makes it a lot easier for Obama to overcome some of his points of weakness."

Same thing DeFazio is saying. Including the parts about 'points of weakness'. The worse the Republican, the better Obama's chances here. This is not exactly a great thing, last time Oregon voted for Obama, strongly thinking him to be a good choice, not simply 'better than that nut'.

[ProSense]

21. Hmmm?

"May lose" is not saying the same thing. It's talking nonsense.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. It is an election. In between Obama's elections here, we have

had a brutal mid-term. Peter had to fight like hell against piles of outside money and a seriously crazed Republican opponent. This is not 2008, and only a fool presumes a win instead of fighting for that win. Note that while so many States went Republican in '10, DeFazio and all Oregon Democrats held their seats. Scoffing at the winners is of questionable wisdom.
He's offering good advice and true. It is a different election to win here than in was in 2008. Oregon has lots of Republican districts along with the Democratic ones that usually carry the State. It always has to be won. It is just the politics of it. Pollyanna don't win it. But Peter sure won in 2010. An election in Oregon. The toughest I've seen here in the time I've lived here. The amount of people who voted for the nutter was appalling to me. On the other hand, there were open groups of Republicans demonstrating against their own candidate, because he was 'send the van around' nuts. Raving. Many DUers saw him on Rachel during that election.
So. Elections about about winning, not about singing lullabies to loser districts.

[ProSense]

27. Um

"Peter had to fight like hell against piles of outside money and a seriously crazed Republican opponent. This is not 2008, and only a fool presumes a win instead of fighting for that win. Note that while so many States went Republican in 08, DeFazio and all Oregon Democrats held their seats. Scoffing at the winners is of questionable wisdom. He's offering good advice and true...."

What the hell does that have to do with his comment?

Saying the President "may lose" is not good advice is idle speculation.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Are you seriously asking me what the political realities in a

State as they currently exist has to do with a discussion of winning the next election in that State? A Democrat who just won a hard election here is saying it will be a hard election here.
And by the way, you know who will win that election for Obama here? Democrats who live here, those who elect DeFazio and Merkely and Wyden. For example, me.
I doubt you have ever even been here. Do you intend to come here and do the groundwork? Do you think your message makes me or other Oregonians want to go work at the OFA office? We support Democrats, plural, not just one. Both Obama and DeFazio will be on the Democratic ticket here in 2010.
Scoffing at the winners is of questionable wisdom. It just is.

[ProSense]

36. No, I'm not.

I'm asking what the hell DeFazio's election in his district has to do with the 2012 election in the state? A Democrat lost his district in NJ, doesn't mean Obama is going to lose NJ.

I think you knew that.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. Peter won, and he knows it will be harder than last time for

the President. That NJ district just failed to deliver, the Democrats failed.
The 4th District of Oregon covers a large geographical area, both urban and rural, red and blue. To know that district is to know much about the State. Obama knows that, even if his 'supporters against DeFazio' don't. I think it is among the largest districts in the nation.

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

50. Moronic! n/t

[sudopod]

55. lol, so mad. nt

[CakeGrrl]

20. THAT is what matters. -nt

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[BlueIris]

44. I live in Oregon, and I don't know a single Democrat who thinks he will get reelected.

Most I know have said they won't vote for him. And they began saying this last year. These people, by the way, are the heart of the Party--teachers, healthcare workers, union and former unions members. Even younger voters. He is not popular here, even among voters who worked their guts out to get him in the White House to begin with. DeFazio is right to have pointed this out; it lines up with what I have been seeing and hearing the last twelve months.

[CakeGrrl]

54. SHOCKING from someone who was convinced he would bow out of the race.

Not.

Methinks some of these "He won't win/He should drop out" types simply surround themselves with like-minded people and come here to say that "everyone they know" thinks he's doomed.

I'll believe it when I hear it from more objective sources.

[LWolf]

98. That's what I've been hearing, as well.

Of course, living on the redder side of Oregon, most of the Democrats I talk to are teachers.

Oregon's not the only state Obama's losing teachers from.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. Obama worked hard to win Oregon in 08. He visited so many

times that I lost count, drew his largest crowds here as well. He clearly wanted to win Oregon, as he was the first Democratic Primary candidate to visit Oregon since RFK in 68. And he came here more than once, as did Hillary. Obama won in great part due to DeFazio' efforts.
I will note that in the 08 Primary, California went to Clinton. No DeFazio for him there.

[Beacool]

53. Well, he backed the wrong horse.

:shrug:

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Point is he backed that horse and picked the winner

Most of the State is now wondering about the choice we made. Which is what Peter is finding out while he is here doing townhalls.

[Beacool]

82. Yeah, a winner who is an opportunist.

And as a WH staffer told Time magazine, "not sentimental". Meaning that the undercarriage of his shiny new bus is already filling up.

:-(

[Robbins]

49. Oregon

If Obama can't win here he Is done for.The last time Oregon went for a republican was during the Reagan Landslide of 1984 although
Nader did his best to try to help Bush beat Gore here In 2000.

If people think It Is bad now just Imagne President Romney or Perry or Bachmann with Republican Congress.Expect cuts to Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,Umemployment and Food stamps.Expect more Tax cuts for the Rich.Expect anti choice and Anti Gay laws(maybe
even reinstataging DADT) Expect the antiUnion stuff going on In states at a national level.Don't expect Democrats to fillebuster In
The Senate like Republicans.

Things can always get worse.maybe it will take Republicans causing another depression before people wake up.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. Bullshit & Unrec. That is all.....

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

59. Uh huh.

[great white snark]

60. Who's House didn't take care of things leading to the tax cuts being temporarily extended?

Obama did know they would attempt some sort of blackmail, that's why he said get it done before the election.

DiFaz and the Dem House dragged their feet and Obama had to compromise.

[blkmusclmachine]

62. We have 2 conservative parties:

Either way we LOSE.

[Fearless]

79. +1

[rhett o rick]

95. One is conservative and one is wacko. Our corp overlords have us just where they

want us.

[xiamiam]

108. aint that the truth..yet some think there is a difference..and defend it..nt

[politicasista]

65. We shall see

a long way off though.

[TrainToCry]

68. Oregon is in Obama's back pocket. Thanks for playing.

[LWolf]

99. I'm sure my fellow Oregonians

are thrilled to know you've decided that we're "in his back pocket" without even being here. :eyes:

[Robeson]

78. Throw DeFazio under the bus...

...that is, if there is any more room left.

[flamingdem]

81. Defazio throws grass fed red meat to the locals nt

[craigmatic]

85. Oregon, California, Washington, New York, and MA are going to stay blue. It's everywhere

else that's in play.

[quiller4]

97. DeFazio's comments are refuted by the level of campaign

contributions coming out of Oregon already, the number of people attending early campaign events and the number of volunteers already signing on to the 2012 campaign.

I don't live in Oregon. My sister and one of my nieces live in Portland OR. Both are active in Democratic politics. Support for Obama is high in the MDCC--actually higher now than it was a year ago.

[woo me with science]

109. K&R

[IcyMedic]

110. Obama's in Trouble but..

...I don't see him losing Oregon. Most dems vote dem no matter what. The ONLY person I can see making any inroads into Oregon is Mitt Romney.