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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:39 AM
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Obama wastes another opportunity to sell Democrats over Republicans
According to this article from the hill Obama has been transitioning away from complaining about Republicans in Congress to blaming Congress in general:

No longer blasting Republicans for causing gridlock by refusing to compromise, the president used his town-hall tour through the Midwest to blame "Congress" for the partisan standoff that has all but defined Washington politics this year.


It's as if Obama doesn't want more Democrats in office.

Yet the strategy not only suggests that Democrats and Republicans are equally to blame for the year's legislative stalemate, it also de-emphasizes the differences between the parties' policy priorities.


Absolutely and no one should be surprised when the voters fail to send more Democrats to Congress.

And for those that still believe Obama doesn't take our promise to seniors seriously:

In responding to a question about Social Security, Obama also went after Democrats for their near blanket opposition to entitlement cuts.

Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be, Obama said.




http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/177297--obam...
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:43 AM
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So he's taking credit for Republican actions now too?
Because that's how people are going to see it. Silence is a condoning act.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:43 AM
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1. I rec'd, still at zero.
I guess the whole lot of Dems in Congress are firebaggers!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:47 AM
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2. Bingo
People on here like to say "Get out there and work! Give Obama a bigger Democratic majority so he can get all those wonderful liberal things done that he WANTS to do but just can't because of the big bad Republicans." but then the president goes out there and undermines any case we can make when he criticizes Democrats and praises Republicans and Republican policies.

It's ridiculous.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:51 AM
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3. That was
from three days ago, and here is the President's full response:

Q Mr. President, Ive been sleeping in my truck for two days to ask you this question. (Laughter.) I am recovering from lung cancer. I tried to get Social Security disability and they turned me down. My question to you is, we can talk about Social Security a little bit?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, Social Security -- heres my commitment -- I dont know about the other folks, but Ill make a commitment as long as Im President of the United States -- Social Security will not only be there for you, but its also going to be there for the next generation and the generation after that because its one of the most important social insurance programs that we have. (Applause.) And by the way, you pay into Social Security. They call it an entitlement, but its not an entitlement; youre paying for it. Its getting taken out of your paycheck.

So it is true that as the population gets older theres going to be more and more pressure on the Social Security system. But the Social Security system is not the cause of our debt and deficit. (Applause.) So dont let folks fool you by saying that in order to get a handle on our debt weve got to slash Social Security. There are some modest adjustments that can be made that will make it solvent for 75 years -- and thats about as long as you can think ahead as a country.

And the way to do it is similar to the way that Ronald Reagan and Tip ONeill fixed Social Security back in 1983. They said, okay, well make some modest adjustments that are phased in over a very long period of time; most folks dont notice them. But if we do that, and all the money goes back into Social Security -- it doesnt go anywhere else -- then theres no reason why Social Security wont be there for future generations. But, again, this is an example of where everybody gets so dug in on their positions.

And I have to say, in fairness -- because Ive commented on the other side not always being flexible -- there have been times where our side -- when Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be. I mean, sometimes I do get frustrated when I hear folks say, you cant make any changes to any government programs. Well, that cant be right. I mean, most companies every year, theyre kind of thinking, what can we do better? Are there some changes we could make in order to have the operation go a little smoother? The government should have to do the same thing. But that doesnt mean we have to make radical changes that dismantle what is the most important social insurance program that we have. But, again, the problem is not the program, the problem is our politics.

Youll hear a lot of folks, by the way, say that government is broken. Well, government and politics are two different things. Government is our troops who are fighting on our behalf in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thats government. (Applause.) Government are also those FEMA folks when theres a flood or a drought or some emergency who come out and are helping people out. Thats government. Government is Social Security. Government are teachers in the classroom. (Applause.) Government are our firefighters and our police officers, and the folks who keep our water clean and our air clean to breathe, and our agricultural workers. And when you go to a national park, and those folks in the hats -- thats government.

So dont be confused -- as frustrated as you are about politics, dont buy into this notion that somehow government is whats holding us back. Now, too much government -- if its oppressive and bureaucratic and its not listening to people and its not responsive to the needs of people and isnt customer friendly -- thats a problem. And if you stand in line at some government office and nobody seems to be paying any attention to you, well, that needs to be fixed. And if somebody is trying to regulate a small business and theyre not paying attention to the realities of the small business, thats a problem.

But dont buy into this whole notion that somehow government doesnt do us any good; government is what protects us. The government is what built the Interstate Highway System. Government is what sent a man to the Moon. Its what invested in the research and development that created innovations all across this country. (Applause.)



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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:01 AM
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4. I will hold my judgment until I know what the modest adjustments are
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:14 AM
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6. And this is another example where he again failed to sell Democrats
there have been times where our side -- when Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be.


Yeah Obama, Democrats are just as much to blame.

I dont know about the other folks, but Ill make a commitment as long as Im President of the United States -- Social Security will not only be there for you, but its also going to be there for the next generation and the generation after that


To gaze at, longingly, under a glass dome, in the Smithsonian.

I'm not hopeful for a Democratic surge this election.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:19 AM
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11. no where does this say
"Democrats are just as much to blame"-

:shrug:

What it does say is that 'we' aren't perfect- and if you think we are, you need to think again.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:33 PM
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19. And he's just plain wrong
'And I have to say, in fairness -- because Ive commented on the other side not always being flexible -- there have been times where our side -- when Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be."

The democrats have been EXTEREMELY "flexible" on a very WIDE variety of issues, including passing his GOP inspired HCR bill. Heck Kucinich voted for it, DESPITE hating much of it. And how much GOP support was there? How "flexible" were they?

When he creates this false equivalency, he undermines democrats and he undermines our basic issues. If he goes out and keep selling the "they're all the same" schtick, why should anyone vote for more democrats? The democrats ARE flexible and HAVE been flexible. His problem isn't that they are flexible, it's that they don't always agree with HIM.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:02 AM
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5. Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be,
Democrats went along with every single fucking compromise you made with the Republicans. They have never drawn any kind of line with you or with the Republicans. That includes the firebagger caucus, by the way.

He suggested the same lie about the unions, lecturing them that they need to make concessions. They've made plenty of concessions (though not nearly as many as the Democrats have).
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:33 AM
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13. Well said. This one post deserves a thread of its own. n/t
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:17 AM
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7. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:07 AM
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12. You type that a lot
Never any thought or rebuttal, just that repeated bit of spammy goodness, again and again and again and....
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:41 AM
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14. Spam posts earn spam responses.
In this particular case, the article cherry picks statements to attack Obama, while ignoring all of his other remarks, so that they can mischaracterize his full message.

Bacially, there is one core media message ... OBAMA BAD.

That core message is delivered with 2 completely different framings.

1) Right wing Version: Obama is bad, because he is a commie socialist who hates America.
2) Left wing Version: Obama is bad, because he is corporatist, and in reality, a republican mole.

The framing is separated by 180 degrees ... but who cares WHICH framing a listener responds to and internalizes, just so long as they internalize the core message .... Obama Bad.

Thus my subject line.

Hope that helps.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:35 AM
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17. Strange because I said neither of those things. You clearly didn't read the post.
I said Obama is failing to sell the idea that it's better to vote Democratic than to vote Republican.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:10 PM
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22. Except he did.
If you actually watched his speeches this week, he calls out the GOP repeatedly. Now, does he call them "traitorous mother fuckers" ... no. Doing so would be stupid.

But from what I can tell, if the man discusses his desire to have a functioning Democracy, in which various constituencies come to the table and work to solve problems, parts of DU explode in anger.

What he describes is actually what we really want. A functioning government. A government that can calmly resolve our problems and work through its differences.

Now ... there is one problem currently, and that is that parts of the GOP don't want to solve ANY problem. But that does not make Obama's position wrong, it just makes it that much harder to realize.

So yes ... parts of the left would like Obama to eviscerate Boehner with a spork on national TV. Would be great TV ... and terrible governance.

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:43 AM
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15. Kind of like the 'Obama = Bachmanns = Evil Homophobe Cabal' posts
That you post at the drop of a hat without a factual foundation?

Smells like spam to me.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:21 AM
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8. From what I have seen, his position for re-election is that it is Congress unwilling to compromise,
not the executive branch, which is why things are not getting done

The problem with that approach is that it isn't true.

HCR reform, Financial Reform, the bailout, and so on, passed because of Democrats willing to compromise, not because of republicans


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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:33 AM
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9. Right, so why doesn't Obama say that in every speech?
He would certainly get more of what he wants if Dems had majorities in both houses again wouldn't he? Doesn't he know that?

Instead he acts like they're both at fault? So if he doesn't like Republicans and he doesn't like Democrats who should we be voting for.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:08 AM
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10. Because in my view his campaign is based on running against Congress, so he blames all of Congress,
trying to tap into their low ratings

If that is his strategy, I do not agree with it


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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:43 AM
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16. He HAS said that in every speech on this trip. Oddly, no one reports it.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:36 AM
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18. If no one reports it, how do you know it. Are you at every Obama speech?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:01 PM
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20. I work from home most of the time, and you can watch them.
You can also find them on the internet if you care to.

My point is that the media picks the parts they want to show, and they ignore the rest.

And if you can't watch him speak live in the middle of the day, but you have the ability to post on DU, then you can easily find the full video.

The media hopes you won't watch live or go find it.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:08 PM
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21. Here is one thing that Hillary would have done differently
She know s who the enemy is, and wouldn't be afraid to say it. Obama is the sorriest excuse for a Dem we've had in office in my life time.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 04:33 PM
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24. Hey doc ... Hillary lost the 2008 primary ... and she isn't winning this one.
Time to rip off that band aid.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:10 PM
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25. Nice try...Here's my thought from the 2008 primary
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 05:11 PM by Doctor_J
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

His appeasement and "bipartisan slams" have been the biggest disappointment among many since Jan 2009. And though Hillary would have likely enacted many of the same policies, she would NOT have backed down from the teabaggers.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:23 PM
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26. I agree with almost everything from your prior post ...
What you and I did not full anticipate is the racist element in the GOP.

Sure, I knew they were there, but I never imagined that they would become main stream.

I'd thought through how the GOP would hide from its racist past ... or use it for and advantage ... and I could not find a way for them to do it.

What I should have anticipated was an old Rove tactic ... you take your weakness, and claim it is the opponents weakness. And so, on Fox, Beck, Limbaugh, Obama is the racist ... rather than play defense on this point, they play offense. And because they have no shame, and the media isn't going to call them out ... it works.

Right wing maniacs get to scream "you lie" at the President in a State of the Union address ... but don't you dare claim racism was involved.

I'm a white guy in my 40s and I KNOW what racism look like.

Oh ... and if Hillary won, there would be no Tea Party. The GOP would have attacked her in a totally different manner.

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Proles Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 04:32 PM
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23. Reccommended.
One of the things that always dissapoints me about Obama is how he makes it seem like it's both the Democrats and republicans in Congress screwing things up. It's not! And every time Obama says it's both parties, that only ends up confusing America more than it needs to be confused.

Where is the Obama who said the republicans can't drive? He should be saying that again, while listing out their failures. At the same time, he could point out how the Democrats are the only ones trying to defend what little progressive values this country has left.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:40 PM
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27. Obama is DESTROYING the Democratic Party brand
He constantly blurs the distinctions between partys. He constantly praises every tiny bit of bi-partisanship Rethuglicans show while castigating Democrats, and especially liberal progressives, for only giving 90%.

From a marketing point of view he is a disaster. People have no clear idea of what he stands for. He will not be re-elected unless he starts drawing vivid distinctions between Democrats and Republicans.

This is political genius?!?!
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