Rick Perry: the Repug White Knight and next President.

[Bake]

Now that Perry is unofficially IN the race for the Thug nomination, the media is all over him. He has zoomed to the top of the Thug polls. He's the White Knight, the one to save the Thugs from the crazies like Bachmann.

And he WILL be the next President. Why? Because (and let's be objective here, people) the economy is in the toilet. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. Obama shot hmself in the ass by fighting the debt ceiling fight that the Pukes picked. He should have been focused on JOBS from Day One. Instead, he gave us healthcare "reform" that didn't reform a damn thing. He chased corporate Wall Street dollars. He gave us NO real hope for real change, much less "change we can believe in." Frankly, I don't think he's as smart as we all thought he was. How could he have missed what should have been his number one priority (in case I need to say it again, that would be JOBS). Obama had the chance, the singular opportunity to be a transformational President. Has he been? I don't think so.

Now comes Rick Perry. The media will be his willing accomplices. Romney? Good as gone. The Thug base will flock to Perry. And in the general election, Obama will fare no better than Carter. He will be portrayed as a failed President.

Mark it down. And weep for America.

Bake

[CakeGrrl]

1. With a little help from a certain faction of the Left who thinks just like this. -nt

[Laelth]

8. Shoot the messenger. Sure. That'll help things. n/t

-Laelth

[Armstead]

14. +1

[CakeGrrl]

20. Is the messenger delivering some actual facts, or

just proactively laying down and rolling over for the GOP?

I thought the "Obama sucks" crowd was the group of super optimists.

:eyes:

[Ignis]

37. The OP expressed an opinion. Yours isn't magically better than his.

:eyes: indeed.

[CakeGrrl]

42. We're straying from the point, which is

that the defense of the OP that I rebutted was that he was acting as a "messenger".

That implies the delivery of actual news.

But as you point out, this is not 'news'. It is merely an opinion.

I wasn't trying to assert that I had a better opinion, just that the OP was not dealing with actual facts, despite the declarative statements that Perry "WILL be the next president" and "Mark it down".

[Armstead]

56. How about presenting you own opinion, instead of just sniping at the poster?

[AverageJoe90]

60. Can't help but agree, having been a former 'Obama Sucks'er myself.

[Dad Infinitum]

12. When character assasination becomes your default position...

...it's time to rethink your worldview.

[CakeGrrl]

27. Check a mirror!

The OP established a position of pre-emptive defeat.

I will not aid and abet the destruction of this country with a takeover at the hands of a Rick Perry type, or foster the attitude that his ascension is inevitable.

If you want to spin that as 'character assassination', go right ahead. I'm happy to do it as many times as I see stuff like this.

[Solomon]

58. lol. but thats just what the op does.

Engage in character assassination against the Potus.

You guys kill me. The posts starts like it isn't the dems fault, and then proceeds to blame everything on Obama.

LOL. Its getting old.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. +1000

Bush years taught them nothing. They make the same mistake just over a decade later.

They deserve everything they get.

[SidDithers]

43. Absolutely...nt

Sid

[tridim]

2. So, give up Democrats. Bake has spoken.

What a pathetic attempt at Obama/Democrat bashing. Unrec.

[Bake]

4. Unrec all you want. You're whistling past the graveyard.

Talk to me the day after Election Day 2012.

Is this what I WANT to happen? Hell no. Will I vote for Obama? Assuming he's still our nominee, of course I will. I'm just making a prediction based on what I see.

Bake

[tridim]

5. Are you going to fight, or give up?

That's really the only question that matters.

[Bake]

48. I'm going to VOTE. Obama can't ask me for more, because he hasn't done shit for me.

But yes, I'll vote Dem straight ticket, starting at the top. Am I giving up? No. But I'm not holding my breath ... I feel like Obama gave up on us.

Just my opinion, based on what I see. Let's talk on the day after Election Day.

Bake

[Speck Tater]

3. You could be right. Besides, I think Obama has decided he just doesn't like being president. nt

[CakeGrrl]

6. Yeah, that's why he's running again. Somebody better break it to OFA.

Sometimes I think people have just stopped paying attention to what's going on and have started to pull stuff out of their ass because it sounds good to them.

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[Dad Infinitum]

7. I have been saying this for a while now

He has that wooden, fake cowboy persona that Republicans swoon over. He is a dangerous lunatic worse than Bachmann. He calls his governorship his 'ministry.'

[Laelth]

9. Hiya, Bake. Long time no see.

I hope you're wrong, of course, and I know you hope you're wrong too. Time will tell.

k&r

-Laelth

[Bake]

49. Hi Laelth! Yes, I hope I'm wrong.

But I'm very afraid I'm not.

Bake

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[hamsterjill]

13. You may be right, but...

I'm a sixth generation Texan, and if Rick Perry is the nominee, although I may not have agreed with everything that Obama has done or may do in the future, I will be working my ass off to make sure that Perry is not elected.

Perry is pure evil. Trust me on that. I've seen, first hand, the results of his "governing".

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. You seem to be pretty sure

Once he announces and people start learning more about him, I suspect the less people will like him/be comfortable with him. This is a guy who, after all, once publicly discussed the possibility of essentially re-fighting the Civil War after Obama was elected POTUS. And now he wants to run the country? What are his credentials on the economy?
:wtf:

He may be a formidible GOP primary candidate but his election as POTUS is NOT a foregone conclusion IMHO. You might also want to check this out too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x742736

[Armstead]

17. I hope Perry wins the nomination....And THEN gets exposed

He is so far out of the mainstream, he would be a gift -- IF Obama and the democratic party leadership actually takes their too-thick gloves off in the general Election campaign.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. Perry gives off a huge "George W. Bush" vibe

I'm not sure that will wear well with a lot of people upset about the last time a governor from Texas went to the WH (2X). "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice.......don't get fooled again" (or something like that).

[Armstead]

36. He actually makes GWB look like an enlightened moderate by comparison

An impossible feat I realize

[Proud Liberal Dem]

40. From what I've heard of the guy

I'd be inclined to agree. Boy, I thought that George W. Bush was the absolute BOTTOM of the barrel for the Republican Party. But then, the Republican Party just bottomed out even more once Obama got elected. :puke:

[mackdaddy]

47. Perry was Al Gore's campain manager in 1988- Bagger's Heads Explode!

Rick Perry WAS a democrat until the changed parties.

Even better, he was the Campaign manage for Al Gore's 1988 primary run for president for Texas.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/16/debra-medina/debra-medina-claims-rick-perry-was-democrat-and-al/

Nothing will make the Bagger's head explode faster than Perry's link and support for Al Gore and Global Warming.

I personally can't wait to tell a few Baggers this and watch the fun.

[tritsofme]

59. And Ronald Reagan was a New Deal FDR Democrat.

Evangelicals loves conversion stories, I doubt this will be his problem.

[boxman15]

16. I think he's getting the GOP nomination, but I'm not sure if he'll win the presidency

He has that fake cowboy persona that Republicans swoon over (see Reagan and Bush 43) and he's an evangelical zealot, so he has the GOP nomination in the bag, in my opinion. He and Romney are the only GOPers who have a shot for the White House in 2012.

That being said, I think Obama would have the upper hand and would win in 2012. All the Obama reelection team would have to do is show over and over again clips and quotes of Perry suggesting that Texas should secede from the Union. It would kill Perry's campaign. Obviously, the economy will always be the #1 issue, and it's likely to remain stagnant in November 2012, but I still think Obama would be in good shape. It would be easy to portray Perry as an extremist, since his words and actions suggest he is one. It would be harder to do that against Romney (though they could go after him as indecisive and hypocritical).

[movonne]

22. I don't think he will get either...a male palin..

[BeyondGeography]

18. He'd have a better shot if he didn't have that Even Dumber than Dubya neon sign over his head

[NatBurner]

19. right? fool me once...duh, can't get fooled again

[BeyondGeography]

21. If we're that far gone as a country, white flag for me

[emulatorloo]

23. Perry is the Male version of Michele Bachmann

and he is going to remind lots of voters of GWB.

[okieinpain]

24. now you had me until you said he's not smart. it's obvious that

he is extremely smart, maybe too smart. it plain to see why he went for healthcare instead of jobs, healthcare would never pass this congress.

[Cosmocat]

25. I have said for months now, it is a two horse race ...

between Romney and Perry.

Perry will suck the air out of Bachman and the fringe candidates as the tea party/wingnut favorite, and as soon as he starts to pump up with the hard right, the moderates who are holding their nose with Romney will go to him, too.

They are formidable opponents in two different ways - Romney will have appeal to some in the middle. Perry won't get as much moderate/middle appeal, but will REALLY solidify the party behind him like Romney would not.

But, the only way either wins is if the flakes like the OP here want it to happen.

People can do this pathetic, BO is not the progressive wet dream so I am going to hold my breathe and do a temper tantrum, and allow the likes of Perry to be president, or they can get behind a good democratic president.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

26. At least give Perry an opportunity to flop, a la Rudy, Newt, umm that reverse mortgage

huckster (Thompson), etc. Perry's embraced the fringe of the fringe with that "prayer" event. His candidacy may not play well with the "mainstream" Right. November 2012 is long way away.

[Ter]

28. He's a Bilderberg attendee, so he supports a One World Government NWO

No self-respecting tee turd would ever vote for him.

[lumpy]

29. Still damned sick and tired of crystal ball gazing.

meh !

[dionysus]

30. lol nt

[JoePhilly]

31. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad

Perry GOOD.

[Yavin4]

32. Rick Perry Is A Buffoon

A much bigger buffoon than Reagan and Bush II combined. If the American people elect him, then they will get what they deserve.

[BackToThe60s]

35. "He's the White Knight, the one to save the Thugs from the crazies like Bachmann"

Wrong. If he gets the nom, it'll be because the GOP base thinks Batshit isn't crazy enough!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Rumors Of Barack Obama's Political Demise Are Premature.

It's too early. If the economy is still in the toilet by this time next year he is in huge political trouble. Everything we know about voting patterns suggest that. Reelection campaigns are referendums on the incumbent. If they like the job he or she is doing they rehire him or her. If not, they fire him or her.

However, there are two scenarios where a relatively unpopular incumbent can win reelection. The first scenario is when the opponent is seen as too much of a risk. IMHO, Perry, Bachman, and Palin can fall unto that category. The second scenario is if a third party candidate splits the anti- incumbent vote.

I will feel more confident about my prediction next August. By then, for good or bad, the cake will be baked...

[sadbear]

39. Has anyone actually seen Rick Perry talk?

He doesn't stand a chance. He couldn't talk his way out of a wet paper bag.

[livetohike]

41. Gee, I thought Huntsman was the second coming

Now it's Perry. Who will it be tomorrow? Oh I know, Palin. Palin/Bachmann, there you go!

[SteveG]

44. The problem with your thesis is that

Perry is just as batshit crazy as Bachmann and Santorum. He has trashed his state during his admin. Education has been slashed (and local districts are forbidden to raise property taxes to help make up the difference). Once people outside of Texas really see what he believes in, they'll run away.

[laureloak]

45. Rick Perry is George W Bush all over again. Sell it!!!

[TwilightGardener]

46. Game over, man! GAME OVER!!!

[BreweryYardRat]

50. "White Knight." Interesting choice of words -- doesn't Perry have ties to the Klu Klux Klan?

I know he's got Neo-Confederate ties.

[louslobbs]

51. I don't think that the majority of this nation will vote for a person who puts their religion

before the Constitution. Texas Governor Perry has already shown that he has absolutely no respect for the separation of church and state, so why should we believe that he would respect the Constitution over his alleged Christian beliefs? Here is a man, who has held three days of prayer for rain (that by the way did not work), and as of very recently, held a large "Christian" prayer gathering (allegedly as a private person)to show how "religious" he is or has recently become.

People seem to become more religious in two specific situations, when they are imprisoned, or when they are running for political office, especially for the Presidency. The last thing this country needs, is a person in the Oval Office who consults their "God" over their advisor's or the Constitution when deciding policy or whether or not to go to war.

This is not a Christian nation, (although many Christians try to force that belief on the rest of us), it is a supposed Democracy, and even a minority of loud mouth rabid right wing Christian/Evangelicals can't change that, or force that upon this nation and we certainly are not going to elect it into our already broken political system so that they can further mesh together their Christian (Biblical) beliefs and politics and continue to blur the line between the Separation of Church and State.

When a person shows that they have no respect for the Separation of Church and State, as I believe Governor Perry already has, then that should be pointed out again and again as he is vetted for one of the highest (human created) offices on the planet. Governor Perry (as well as Michele Bachmann), have already proven that they cannot separate their Christian beliefs from their right wing Republican politics, and therefore, should be rebuked by the majority of this nation if he or she is chosen as the Republican candidate.

No religion comes before the Constitution of the United States. Very few people want a President who consults a Bible rather than their advisor's or the constitution regarding policy affecting Americans of all faith's. Also, the electorate is fearful of anyone who claims to talk to their "God" and who hears their "God" talk back to them when they ask their "God" for help or ask their "God" what they should do.

The electorate fears even more I believe, a person whos husband hears their "God" and then translates what their "God" allegedly said to them to their wife who is running for the Presidency, how scary is that?

And even though the Constitution states that there shall be no religious test for office, once a person has shown that their religion is more important than the political office they are running for, and that because of that they probably can't govern fairly for all of the people, then the people can decide whether they want that person in the highest office in the land, making decisions for them as a Christian, with their power in the voting booth. I believe Rick Perry is unfit to be President of a the United States, but might want to consider the clergy or trying his had at being a televangelist.
Lou
Lou

[Bake]

52. I agree with you, of course. I just hope a majority of the electorate does too.

:hi:

Bake

[louslobbs]

53. So do I my friend.

Lou

[fujiyama]

54. I think we may get a more enthusiastic response from the left

and even moderates with Perry as the nominee. Romney, I could see as coming off as less threatening.

But Texas has weathered the economic storm fairly well (of course what kind of jobs were being produced there?), and he'll get the nut jobs coming out to vote for him in droves.

The left can't afford to sit this election out. Perry is nuttier than Bush or McCain ever were!

[joshcryer]

55. Laughable.

[fujiyama]

57. I agree that he has a strong chance and shouldn't be underestimated

but I don't quite share your pessimism. It won't be an easy election, but I think Obama can still pull this off...

[demgrrrll]

61. Karl Rove is working with Huntsman I guess they didn't call

you Bake or they would have known they just needed to throw in the towel!

[cry baby]

62. I guess, then, that you and I should work twice as hard to keep that from happening, huh. nt

[KOfan]

63. I heard he's a coke head

he won't make it through the fundy gauntlet, he is too tainted. I am more worried about Romney, he's flying under the radar with Wall street behind him.

[butterfly77]

64. They think...

that he zoom in and is Superman..

[blkmusclmachine]

65. I'm already stocking up on Bibles & Crosses:

They'll be MANDATORY fashion accessories beginning Jan 2013. Theocracy, here we come..