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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:46 AM
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If Hillary were President there would be polls asking "Would Obama have made a better President?"
It seems that it is easier to be a bunch of back seat drivers than it is to do what we can and need to do to support President Obama.

As I said yesterday, we can spend the rest of the month fighting amongst ourselves or the rest of the month beating the shit out of the GOP/Teabaggers.

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:50 AM
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1. why should we support Obama when he consistently does the wrong thing? nt
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 11:51 AM by bowens43
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:50 AM
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2. that would depend on her track record. Were she at the same juncture, then doubtlessly, yes
n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:52 AM
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3. Or we can spend the rest of the Month holding those accountable
for capitulating to the GOP/Teabaggers
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:03 PM
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9. Nice. The PL got you to take your eye off the REAL problem.
The dog is chewing off its own leg.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:50 PM
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Yes.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:52 AM
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4. Absolutely...
A group of people here would complain that Hilary wasn't progressive enough, and would assume Obama would be better.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:53 AM
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:59 AM
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8. I never said that you did and I am thrilled it got under your skin so much. . .
. . .the emos are not my adversaries, however if they get in the way of my beating up on the Republicans I am not afraid to call them out. Unlike some I take no pleasure in antagonizing other Democrats/progressives just because I feel like it, I do it when I feel they are not contributing to moving the party forward.

Its very telling that even when I am not calling out others on our side and setting my sights on the opposition party you want to introduce goad me into fighting amongst ourselves.

I would think if you really don't like it when I pick on the emos you wouldn't try to instigate me to do so when I am focusing on the opposition.

This is very telling.

Will I pick on emos in the future? Only if the give me a reason. Right now I am focusing on the opposition and I'd point out that if we all did that the entire progressive movement and all of its various constituent groups benefit.

As I said yesterday, its up to you what role you will play.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:16 PM
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11. So you have changed your ways?
I just do not like your style at all. Sorry. You have been too negative for too long. But you are in some other State, you methods and style might work well for you. Don't know. Here, the name calling stuff does not work for anyone. Ever.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:23 PM
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12. So essentially you have a problem with me and you are going to DU stalk me. . .
. . .you previous post in this thread got deleted just like others from yesterday.

It seems not only do you not like my style (message received, there are many here whose style I don't like but I leave alone, ones I cannot chronically stand are on "ignore") yet you seek to antagonize me at every chance.

It seems that if I mention articular group in an unfavorable manner in certain threads you feel the obligation to stalk me and bring that up in other threads.

Keep it up, it doesn't reflect poorly on me like you'd hope it would, after all my posts are not getting deleted. I don't antagonize via stalking DUers I don't agree with, like you do.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:05 PM
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39. making a call to fight republicans rather than ourselves is negative?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:21 PM
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41. According to my DU stalker it is when it comes from me
:kick:
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:54 PM
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63. "Emos"? Really? Alerted.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:56 AM
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6. I admire her tremendously-but I don't even want to think about
the MEDIA-FUELED soap opera that a 2nd Clinton presidency would have engendered. It makes me sick to think that, but I just couldn't have endured another daily version of "Inside Edition". If you don't know what I'm talking about-you weren't there.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:57 AM
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7. I'm fighting anyone that proposes anything right of center.
I don't care if they are Democrat or Republican.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:03 PM
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10. Back seat driving is important in a democracy, imo
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 12:08 PM by eleny
I will never just shut up and tow a party line.

Think of Wisconsin. It's a state full of back seat drivers and thank goodness for that.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:24 PM
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13. I still think she would never have won
the Presidency. The Hilary Hatred was so far beyond Obama Hatred that Geezer McCain and Crazy Sarah would now be presiding over an even worse debacle.

IF she had won.... and a BIG IF IMO, she would not now be alive. Yes, I think it is that vicious and hateful in these times. So scary.

I, too, am greatly disappointed in some of the choices Obama has made, but it may take many many years before it becomes clearer how close to the precipice of total meltdown the world came as a result of Bushco.

Though he no longer still has my whole-hearted support -- he still has my vote.



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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:35 PM
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15. You believe
she would have been assassinated? Am I reading you correctly?
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:46 PM
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16. Yes - that is what I believe
Or else taken out or neutralized politically via non-deadly, but still effective ways. Whitewater on 'roids to handcuff her and any positive agenda she might pursue.

I so wish I didn't feel this, but I do and I worry every day for the safety of Obama and his beloveds..
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:30 PM
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21. According to the exit polls Hillary would have won by a wider margin.
Some of the people who voted for McCain said that they would have voted for Hillary if she had been the Democratic nominee.

;)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:51 PM
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25. In other words, PUMAs.
Some of the people who voted for McCain said that they would have voted for Hillary if she had been the Democratic nominee.



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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:52 PM
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26. Preach!
:kick:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:19 PM
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31. Hit the nail on the head!
PUMA de Rothschild was one of the highest-profile ringleaders of that nasty little switcheroo.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:42 PM
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34. Yeah, whatever..........
Keep dreaming that only the so called "PUMAS" didn't like Obama.

:eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:06 PM
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40. where have you been young lady? gallavanting around i am sure.
:P
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:27 PM
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43. I was in the FL Keys.
Marathon and Key West to be precise. Had a great week snorkeling, fishing for snapper and diving for bugs (FL lobster season started on Saturday). Nothing better than being on a boat and catching dinner.

Alas, now I'm back at work. Wuuuaaa!!!!

:7

How are things with you?

:hi:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:29 PM
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44. oh, can't complain. i'll take some lobster if you have any left over! i'll be having some in maine
week :)

:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:35 PM
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46. Floridians are touchy about lobster comparisons.
I'm neutral, I like both. We caught the limit pretty fast on Saturday (6 per person) and had some of them for dinner. My friends are staying the whole month, but I had to return to the ole' salt mine.

:D


:pals:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:40 PM
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47. can you tell the difference between northern and southern lobsters?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:50 PM
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52. Yes, FL lobsters are technically crawfish and they don't have claws.
The only part eaten is the tail. The heads are usually thrown away unless someone wants to make fish stock with them. As for the flavor, they taste pretty much the same to me.

;-)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:51 PM
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53. in maine, if you're lucky you can get small ones at the grocery store for 5 bucks a pound. some
years you can't. price flucuates too much.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:54 PM
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55. Yep, they do.
I read while I was down there that what keeps the professional lobster fishermen afloat is te Asian market, particularly the Chinese.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM
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56. the japanese buy a ton of maine seafood wholesale. that can then raise prices for the natives. one
summer i went home and lobster was the same (high) prices as in upstate NY.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:38 PM
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62. I know, but at least it keeps the fishermen in business.
If they depended for their living only on the domestic market they wouldn't survive.

I guess that's the price one has to pay to eat the critters. LOL!!!

:7
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:31 PM
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14. where are the polls asking if mccain would have made a better president?
egads, one can only imagine what hell we'd be in!
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:00 PM
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17. Obama can't even point his finger at the GOP/teabaggers and call them out as the problem
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 01:18 PM by Maven
by name.

He'd rather "mediate" the dispute and split the difference on things he has no business giving away.

That is not leadership that DESERVES support.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:02 PM
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18. the answer would be the same
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 01:02 PM by Enrique
"it would probably have been mostly the same"

we need real change next time.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:15 PM
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19. Except that the president isn't joining us in fighting the teabaggers
we can spend the rest of the month fighting amongst ourselves or the rest of the month beating the shit out of the GOP/Teabaggers.

Who do you mean when you say "we"? Since the president isn't fighting the teabaggers, if WE fight them, we're not fighting with him.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:19 PM
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20. I don't think so. Hillary is an international icon being a former First Lady.
Obama, until he got the nomination, was never that famous. I think your question is one asked because of celebrity more than quality or policy making.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:46 PM
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22. I think you misunderstand the question. It's ALL about policy.
If Hillary was in this exact same position because she made the exact same decisions as President Obama, would some of the people calling him 'weak' and a 'capitulator' and a 'failure' be doing the same for her? Or would there be a hypocritical double standard to make excuses for her?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:50 PM
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24. Cake they are in denial in that the think that Hillary would have never made any of those same. . .
. . .decisions.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:12 PM
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27. Well, they are correct in one instance atleast
She would have made a much worse decision back when Obama decided on a small surge before starting to pull troops out of Afghanistan.

After all, she was arguing for an 80k troops increase and a 10 year plan for them. :)
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:15 PM
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29. I support Hillary and like her. I am glad she is our Secretary of State and Obama is our President
. . .I have no desire to compare who would have been a better President.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:43 PM
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35. Ohhhh good question, here's what I think.
I do not think they would have called Hillary "weak" or "capitulator" I think "they" (meaning the corporate whores and talking heads) would have found other words to use for her. "cast iron bitch" is one I imagine would be used. I am sure you can think of some yourself. I think instead of open racism used against the President, were Hillary in charge, we'd see open sexism. Which amounts to the same thing, IMO. Same with the name calling, its all the same to me.

I also think there would be hypocritical double standard making excuses for her, which, again, amounts to the same thing we're seeing now.

So, from my view on this subject, Obama and Hillary are interchangeable. Hillary would have pulled the trigger on Osama, she would have passed HCR, she would have seen a failed economic recovery and she would have endured the debt ceiling fight.

I am always amused when Hillary's name comes back up into the conversation, suggesting that, some how, things would be different if she were in Office and I don't think they would be given how psychotic the opposition is. But the truth is, both Hillary and Obama are centrist Dems at best. Hillary has a greater force of personality and, we now know, willpower, but they both bat for the same team and have the same goals in the end. So I see little difference between the two. I would have been just as comfortable and proud in 2008 to pull the lever for Hillary as I was for Obama.

And you also highlighted my misunderstanding of the original question. I was not thinking of, here internally on DU, rather externally "out there" in the rest of the world. Thanks for pointing that out.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:06 PM
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57. No problem! And I agree with you.
The argument FOR her during the Primaries was that they were interchangeable, yet we're seeing a lot of revisionist, rose-colored reasoning that she would have been a guns-a-blazing bastion of Progressive heroism.

It doesn't compute.

And you're also right about the MSM - they would've had a field day with Clinton II. I actually think they have to work harder to gin up the negative spin on President Obama.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 01:50 PM
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23. This is just one of the many articles and editorials that are popping up on various media boards
Hillary Told You So

As Democratic disgust with Obamas debt fumbling spreads, Clinton supporters recall her '3 a.m. phone call' warningsand angry, frustrated liberals are muttering that she should mount a 2012 challenge.

By Leslie Bennets
Aug 7, 2011

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/07/hillar...

:shrug:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:14 PM
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28. "... muttering she should mount a 2012 challenge." Go for it!!
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 02:25 PM by AtomicKitten
Poll: Obama leads Hillary Clinton in 2012 Matchup: O-58%, C-28%
A new poll by Magellan Data and Mapping Strategies shows President Barack Obama enjoying a significant lead over his 2008 rival Hillary Clinton among voters likely to participate in the 2012 New Hampshire presidential primary election. Obama leads Clinton in the hypothetical matchup by a margin of 58-28 percent. The poll also showed Obama beating Howard Dean 78-10 percent and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT)79-8 percent.

http://newhampshireprimary.blogspot.com/2010/12/poll-ob...


President Obama Crushing Hillary Clinton in Very Hypothetical 2012 Primary Matchup: O-52%, C-37%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/143318/Obama-Clinton-2012-De...
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:20 PM
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32. "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em!"
:evilgrin:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:48 PM
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37. You're quoting polls from almost a year ago????
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 02:49 PM by Beacool
Please........

:eyes:

You can relax, though, Hillary would never do a Teddy Kennedy and run against Obama no matter how much he tanks in the polls. It's not her style. She knows how it would divide the party. More's the pity, the party doesn't deserve her loyalty.

;-)
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:17 PM
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30. That clinches it.
I love this quote:

Among Clinton fans, particularly older women, the language was frequently far more caustic. Obama has no spine and no balls, said a 67-year-old New Yorker.

Who knew they'd STILL be angry? I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell ya!

Poor Hillary: Leaving behind a bunch of tearful, bitter, foul-mouthed fans in her wake.


:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:44 PM
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36. Deleted message
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:50 PM
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38. Hmm, with a little more time,
we may have you joining the ranks of the foul-mouthed set.

We're getting there.

:hi:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:24 PM
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42. do i have to take away the car keys Bea? you're grounded. maybe
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 03:30 PM by dionysus

:D
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:31 PM
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45. Why????????
Why do I have to like the same people that you do? It's NOT fair!!!! I'm telling mommy on you!!!!

x(


:-(


:cry:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:44 PM
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48. i'm no good at disciplining! here, take it!

;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:47 PM
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49. Oooohhhh, a new banky.
It's so pretty too.

I knew you couldn't resist, neither could my father when I was a little girl.

:7

Thank you!!!

:hug:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:50 PM
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51. what do you do with them anyways? your house has to be full by now.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:52 PM
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54. Line them all up and jump on them.
The more bankies the merrier.

:-)
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:39 PM
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33. I would certainly hope so
Democracy being a participatory form of governance, the participants should always be assessing their choices, past, present, and future. If they're not, then you no longer have a democracy.
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Gunny1 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:49 PM
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50. " As I said yesterday, we can spend the rest of the month fighting amongst ourselves or..."

"...the rest of the month beating the shit out of the GOP/Teabaggers."

Either choice sucks (the latter because it's a fucking pipe dream at this point.)

I think I'll spend the month (no year) just trying to keep my fucking job and avoiding politics altogether.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:23 PM
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58. Remember when Bill was Pres?
Remember how Hillary was treated by republicans on the health care thing?

Remember how both Clintons were hounded from day one, the expense (laid at OUR feet, of course) of Ken Starr's witch hunts?

Does anybody here really believe today's republicans would hate and disrespect Hillary any less than they hate and disrespect Obama, that they wouldn't obstruct her every move? Really??


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:27 PM
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59. People are lazy. They don't think. And the Corporate Media loved the 2008 primary "war!"
It made a lot of money for them.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:35 PM
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60. If Hillary were President, nothing would be different.
She is also a DLC New Dem so she serves the same Corporate and Wall Street masters as Obama.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 05:28 PM
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61. Yes and instead of cries of racism, we'd hear cries of sexism
I happen to think (and thought during the primaries in 2008) that a Clinton and Obama Presidency would be almost identical. The big difference would be in having an outspoken and (obviously) political first spouse advocating for her policies. Clinton is a very hawkish SoS as she would have been as President. If she had won, many Democrats would forever assume that Obama would have been less hawkish. In fact, the amount of times Clinton's name is brought up would be dwarfed by the amount of times Obama's name would have been brought up if the roles were reversed. There would have still bean a very idealistic vision of a perfect Obama had Hillary won. Instead of cries of racism, we'd be hearing cries of sexism.
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