President Obama Is A . . .

[Tx4obama]

President Obama Is A . . .
http://www.alan.com/2011/08/06/president-obama-is-a/

Note: It's a good article on the Alan Colmes website LIBERALAND

[graywarrior]

1. Excellent! Thanks for posting.

[Tx4obama]

24. You're welcome :) n/t

[polichick]

2. Misses the fact that the prez begins negotiations by making concessions...

...so that the "compromise" moves to the right.

[phleshdef]

5. Thats a bullshit theory based on wild speculation.

Prove to me that the result would be any different with the nature of Congress. I want solid proof. And thats kind of an unfair request because you are realistically unable to give me any. But theres really no other way to get the point across without asking for that.

The fact is, concessions are going to be demanded regardless. And this Congress was not going to do anything remotely progressive regardless. And no amount of chest beating by the President when negotiations begin would likely change the end result. August 2nd was always going to come. And the Republicans intended on either getting cuts or letting it all fall apart via a default and blaming the aftermath on Obama no matter which direction it went.

All this BS about starting the negotiations further to the left and how it would somehow sway the Congress away from a result that goes as far to the right as they can take it, is just that. Its BS. The President's job is to get things done, not entertain ideological sensibilities. He starts negotiation with a position thats sensible in relation to the climate in Washington. He doesn't waste time on pipe dreams.

[polichick]

8. Every bad compromise the WH has made should be "solid proof" that you don't...

...begin negotiations by moving toward the other side while that side stands still.

But nothing would be proof for some starstruck supporters.

[indepat]

12. Thank you for nut-shelling this issue with such clarity than even those blinded can see

:thumbsup: :patriot:

[phleshdef]

13. No. Its not even remotely close to "proof" of anything.

How can you prove to me that Republicans would have EVER bent further on any of these issues if the White House would have asked for a more liberal position from the beginning? How does that fucked up logic work at all?

"Oh well, this President wants something even further removed from what we are demanding, I guess we should be more reasonable with him!".

When does a thought like that EVER go through the mind of a Washington Republican in the year 2011? WHEN?

These Republicans are firmly dug into their positions more than any that I've seen. I'm not the only person saying this. There are a lot of Republicans outside of the beltway that are even calling this batch extreme and unreasonable.

I'm not a religious person but I do appreciate the one story of Solomon where the one woman stole the other woman's baby. Its a perfect metaphor for whats going on in this country right now. The Republicans of course are the woman that stole the baby and claimed it was hers and then was fine with it when Solomon threatened to cut the baby in half. President Obama and the Democratic leadership are the true mother, who was willing to give the baby away to the thief rather than see it die. I know, its quite melodramatic, but it really is the position they've been put in. I only hope the American people wake up and realize who authentically gives a damn and who is willing to destroy it all if they can't get what they want. You can say a lot of things about Barack Obama, but you could never accuse him of being so narcissistic and selfish that he'd rather sink the boat than let the other side do some steering.

Thats the kind of psychotic mindset we are dealing with as far as today's conservatives go and they've given me no reason to think they ever would have used their power to accomplish any less dismantling of government than they have. There is nothing about this that makes me a "starstruck supporter". Republicans say their primary goals are to take Barack Obama down and make the government small enough to drown in the bathtub. I believe them.

[CakeGrrl]

27. NO ONE can prove the R's would bend. There's this bizarre insistence that

they'd eventually bend to Democratic/Progressive will if a Dem just stands there and holds firm.

Apparently this is the fantasy scenario under which they believe Bernie Sanders will save the day.

What some fail to recognize about these Tea Party-infested R's is that they are not interested in doing the right thing. They cannot be pressured into EVENTUALLY doing the right thing if you hold out. They DON'T CARE if they blow it up.

People are actually projecting sanity onto them when they insist that R's would eventually give in.

[TheKentuckian]

29. It seems desperate or stupid to demand proof that literally requires a way to travel to

an alternate universe.

Those on the other end of your argument are forced to count on thousands of years of precedent for effective negotiations which would seem to argue against strategies that avoid any pursuit of one side getting what they want while dealing with an opposition that is dug in.

Unless your goal is a deal, any deal rather than an aim.

I don't think I'd want to utilize your strategy if I was working out a contract. I want my concessions to start from where I want to end up, at worst, rather than from what I would accept.

Ideally, you overshot some and haggle from there so that when the back and forth ends you are in the area of where you want to be with minimal sacrifice to your goals.

Hell, why don't you prove the reverse of what you demand proof of? Oh yeah, no alternate universe travel machine.

[primavera]

3. Would you expect any less...

... coming from Sean Hannity's sidekick?

[Tx4obama]

7. I am not too sure what you mean.

Alan Colmes is a Democrat.
And Colmes and Hannity do not like each other, that's part of why Colmes got booted off the Hannity/Colmes show.

[primavera]

16. Alan Colmes is a Democrat apologist

A trained seal paid to play the weak buffoon to Sean Hannity. I'm glad he finally got fed up and left the show, but, still, his credentials as a Dem are pretty weak; he's certainly no liberal.

[Tx4obama]

18. You are wrong. He is a liberal, and he is NOT a trained seal.

Your insults against a liberal democrat are offensive.

Colmes left Hannity's show a 'few' years ago.

Apparently you don't know much about him.

Have a nice weekend.

[primavera]

19. Thanks for the tip

I stand by my assertion that, at least while he was on the show, he was very much a trained seal, but I admit, I don't know what became of him after he left the show. I will see what I can dig up on him online and, if I've misjudged him, I apologize.

[Tx4obama]

20. Here's his link

Alan's website: http://www.alan.com/

and there are link on the right side of the page to his FB, Twitter, etc.

:)

[butterfly77]

30. I enjoy his show..

he takes all calls and the nuttiest republiCONS call in with some of the stupidest ideas.

[Raine1967]

11. I'd suggest you read the post. the WHOLE post.

If you did, you would see who wrote it.

Alan Colmes is a liberal, let's get that out of the way.
Alan Colmes did not write the piece.

And it is a very good post.

[polmaven]

28. Can we PLEASE stop with all these FACTS????

They do absolutely nothing to advance the anti-Obama agenda!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. ...50 year old.

I watch TV.

[Enrique]

6. cactus?

[Tx4obama]

9. LOL. I wonder what's up with that. n/t

[Tx4obama]

10. "Cactus" came from an ONION satire article

Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus
http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-1-in-5-americans-believe-obama-is-a-cactus,18127/

:)

[Raine1967]

14. OK, that's funny!

Goodness, I love the onion.

[Enrique]

17. that explains it!

:rofl:

[Parker CA]

21. Hahahahahahahhaa!!! That's hilarious.

[Armstead]

15. President?

Any further nouns and adjective are all a matter of interpretation.

:shrug:

[bigwillq]

22. Human

Is that up for interpretation?
:shrug:




:rofl: ;)

[Armstead]

23. That too is certain. Not open to interpretation.

[bigwillq]

25. ....

:)

Just making sure.

edited

[Hawkowl]

26. Corporate lackey?