At What Point Will President Obama Realize That They WILL NOT COMPROMISE

[we can do it]

on anything? That they hate him so much that they are willing to throw the country into default and actually INCREASE the deficit in doing so. That they hate EVERYONE who does not agree with them? At what point? After its too late?

Fight damn it or get out of the way.

[Raven]

1. I think he already knows that. I think he may walking toward the 14th

Amerdment solution but in order to get there, he needs to give these people enough rope.

[we can do it]

3. That Is My Hope

a tiny bit of hope left, that we don't cut the lifelines of those who need it most to satisfy the greedy.

[flamingdem]

8. He knows. The 14th is a very difficult step and will lead to an impeachment push during an election

year with the low info voters eating it up.

[WI_DEM]

13. Impeachment didn't hurt Bill Clinton--the american people will reject it again

as just politics. Besides the Senate would never convict him.

[JAnthony]

16. Um Clinton wasn't threatened with impeachment until December 19, 1998

How did that NOT hurt Al Gore?

[Windy]

2. I think he is VERY aware of there ignorance. nt

[Solomon]

7. I'm sick to death of people saying he's stupid for maintaining the

high road. It's sad. I guess we should be just like the republicans. Yeah, that's how we win. Be assholes like them.

[EffieBlack]

11. +1 i'm right there with you

If only the President understood as much about politics and governing as computer quarterbacks who've never run for or governed anything ...

[scheming daemons]

4. he realized it a long time ago... all of this is a dance to show the REST of America

What the GOP is about.

Most Americans are not news junkies like us.

The past month has been a kabuki dance to show them what the right is about.

[JAnthony]

17. Except it's backfiring among the stupid. They are blaming

Obama, as usual.

[Renew Deal]

22. "as usual"

I think you figured it out.

[grasswire]

5. They have used his strength as an organizer against him.

What did Rove teach?

Go directly at your foe's strength and use it against him.

Obama's perceived strength is "community organizer who works in compromise."

So if they never, ever, ever give him a compromise, that strength of his becomes a fatal opening.

They have said so: "Compromise is a dirty word." "No compromise."

[Skink]

6. a few more percentages decline in the market.

[Logical]

9. I think Obama is extremely smart but a little gullible! n-t

[LaydeeBug]

10. when he has already signed off on EVERYTHING they have asked for

which included throwing our safety net under the bus.

[ClarkUSA]

25. Is that why he rejected every single one of their deals? Bernie Sanders endorsed McConnell's plan.

I don't see anyone attacking Bernie Sanders for it. Yet the attacks continue against President Obama for standing firm.

What utter hypocrisy.

[Historic NY]

12. When his belongings are out on the WH lawn.

[bigwillq]

14. I think he already realizes this.

I think, imo, Obama is letting the legislative process take its course and then he will see what he can do from the executive angle if they fail to reach an agreement.

on edit: My comment pertains to the debt ceiling.

[CakeGrrl]

15. He already KNOWS this. You can't expect him to tip his "Plan B" hand if

they don't get their shit together.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. When did we become as irrational as teabaggers? When did

"bipartisanship" and "compromise" become four letter words? The only lesson the left should take from the teanutters is that America despises them because they're seen as zealots. Neither base can win national elections without the help of moderates, and if you want this president to take a "my way or the highway" approach...it's never gonna happen. That's not who he is, and those of us who supported him from outset knew that.

Granted DU & the leftosphere are mainly made up of activists & political junkies who love political theater, but what does that have to do with governance?

"Fight damn it or get out of the way"? :wtf:

[dionysus]

39. did you say... fight?

put up yer dukes!!!11

:rofl:
you walked right into that one!
:hi:

[Prism]

19. Nov. 2012

Because it's the only date that matters here.

[jwirr]

20. He knows and when they stop digging themselves into a whole

and it is truly an emergency he will act. I agree with Lawrence O'Donnell that he will get a one page bill raising the debt limit.

[Renew Deal]

21. He knows, and I think the "Grand Bargain" was about proving that.

He basically said it in one of the press conferences. He said "you want to do something about debt? OK, lets do it. Here's $4.3 trillion. It will essentially solve the problem." And the republicans said no. The Reid bill is about that too.

[Igel]

23. $4.3 trillion wouldn't solve the problem.

It would get the annual deficits down to *-era levels, c. 2004-2006, and that's assuming low interest rates, fiscal restraint, and that all the accounting assumptions in the HCRA that health-care spending will decline come in at or under cost estimates.

Lots of contingencies.

[Morizovich]

24. The day after he's out of office

Which will come sooner rather than later if he doesn't toughen up.

[ClarkUSA]

26. He's tough enough to have rejected all GOP plans until now.

He won't be leaving office anytime soon, either.

[ClarkUSA]

27. WTF do you think he's been doing? Bernie Sanders caved and endorsed McConnell's plan.

President Obama rejected McConnell's plan and Boehner's plan and every single one of their other plans, too.

He's used his bully pulpit more than any other President in memory in order to lambast Republicans' eagerness to preserve corporate tax breaks at the expense of seniors and students (I'm paraphrasing just one example of what he said).

Here's another example (video) of his "fight":

"Obama: Cut Defense Spending As Opposed To Food Stamps"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=724983&mesg_id=724983

The presumption he doesn't know exactly what the Republicans are doing is ridiculous. But he has to give the appearance of making an effort in order to satisfy the expectations of the office and of Americans at least until he makes his final decision. BTW, most Americans do not share your sentiments. A large majority of them want a compromise.

[treestar]

29. It is getting absurd, isn't it?

And they have compromised. Their fringe also calls them cowards and sellouts and such.

[WiffenPoof]

28. Sometimes I Think People Here Just Don't Get It...

The damage was done the moment the President put SS, Medicare and Medicaid on the table. Even if he has rejected or will reject any cuts to these safety nets in the end, he has put into the minds of the body politic and the American people that they are fair game. Any future budget discussions will have the possibility of cuts in the mix. As a true and principled Democrat, he should have NEVER put the hallmark of our party's successes on the table to be used (if only in the future) as a bargaining chip. For me, it is at the very least, a betrayal of our party...what was once known as "the party of the people."

-P

[ClarkUSA]

31. Bullshit.

[woo me with science]

32. Exactly.

I can't remember when I have been so enraged and heartbroken.

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[riderinthestorm]

34. A big K and R. Nothing to add here except a belated welcome to DU. nt

[Autumn]

36. That's what he has done.

:thumbsup: nice post.

[DCBob]

30. Aug 1.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. He already knows this! The problem is that he is FORCED to work with the Republican

Teabagger House of Representatives because not enough of us turned out to vote in 2010. That's the bottom line.

Because he MUST work with a Republican-dominated House of Representatives, he is forced to compromise to get anything done.

Really, folks, that shouldn't be hard to understand! It's basic Civics 101!!

[Morizovich]

37. I dunno

At Bachmann's Inaguration, maybe? :shrug:

[Creideiki]

38. I think the 6th Tuesday of October is free.

[otohara]

40. At What Point Do We Realize, POTUS

continually ignores his base and our concerns.

Like I said in a thread I just started, he's ignored our e-mails, calls, letters, faxes, posts, yet he wants us to call D.C., so we can again be ignored.

[Middle finga]

41. This entire fiasco is appalling!

In this sluggish economy with 9.2% unemployment, Obama should be out on the stump arguing against any cuts. He should know, cutting trillions out of the economy will put a stranglehold on any kind of recovery. It's like the Repubs have set a trap, in broad daylight and out in the open, to destroy his presidency and Obama is still waking right into it.

[texanwitch]

42. I fear it is a case of our President doesnt get it or he is bought out.

He was this way from the beginning with the health plan, just gave up without a fight.

I really don't see him doing anything else when dealing with the Republicans.

If he stands up to them now it is because the people of this country are really angry.

Election time is coming soon, the primary season is next year.