The 14th Amendment

[SoFlaJet]

is the only way that this debt ceiling gets raised. Listening to idiots like Louie Gomer Pyle and Michele Bachmann and the nerd who finally is popular after going through his whole life seen as the jerk off that he is in Eric Cantor leading them-they are in complete and total denial not even thinking or believing that this has to be done. They will NOT vote on anything. They want this country to go into a deep recession or a depression so they can blame it all on Obama.

So then what is the only other option? Obama invoking the 14th amendment clause at which point the republicans in the house will sue for impeachment. I know all you people who say "oh that's crazy, it could never happen" watch. This is a no-lose deal for these zealots in the house of reps. Either the country goes into a depression (great for the GOP-they can blame Obama) or he's forced to use the 14th amendment and they will try to impeach him-win-win situation for them,

[Tx4obama]

1. Why do you keep pushing that BS about impeachment.

If President Obama invokes the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution - it is NOT a criminal act.

To impeach - there must be criminal charges to bring forth.

Until you can post what the 'CRIMINAL CHARGE' would be, then I think you should drop your baseless 'impeachment' rhetoric.

[SoFlaJet]

3. either that or you can post your own idea on what will happen

and just ignore my posts-easy solution

[Tx4obama]

6. Read the whole article regarding Bill Clinton/14th amendment on the link in comment #4 n/t

[Tx4obama]

8. YOU are the one that keeps saying that Obama can be impeached.

If you can't produce an actual LAW that would be broken then your argument is moot.

The GOP can NOT impeach a president if the president has not committed a 'criminal offense'.

[SoFlaJet]

12. and you're the one who keeps insisting that what we're dealing with are rational brokers

read what Tim Scott from South Carolina has said

[SoFlaJet]

14. Watch this video and tell me I'm crazy for even suggesting that this is their game plan

http://westashley.patch.com/articles/congressman-asserts-potential-impeachable-offense#video-6893511

[former9thward]

5. No impeachment can be made on anything.

Most of the impeachment charges by the House Judiciary Committee against Nixon were not criminal.

[SoFlaJet]

7. watch Rachel Maddow from tonight

talking to Professor Balkin

[Tx4obama]

9. Just tell us. What 'criminal act' could Obama be charged with?

What did Professor Balkin say that Obama could be charged with?

[wizstars]

11. Does the name "Bill Clinton" mean anything to ya?

What serious charge did the repigs have then???

The bastards'll make it up, trump it up, and the media will play along.....

Sure, it'll backfire on 'em, but they could get the pound of flesh they want.

[Tx4obama]

16. The charges at that time were 'lying under oath', which WAS a criminal offense.

The fact remains that there 'must' be a 'criminal charge' in order to impeach anyone.
To impeach - means to bring forth 'criminal charges'.

[Hand_With_Eyes]

25. Of course they will try to impeach him

It's what they do.

[elocs]

2. I am absolutely sure that Obama knows about the 14th Amendment.

Maybe it is his ace in the hole or maybe he has already determined it is not a viable option.

[Tx4obama]

4. Everyone shoud read the whole article on the link BELOW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x714433

http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/exclusive-former-president-bill-clinton-says-he-would-use-constitutional-option-raise-debt

[SoFlaJet]

10. Here,,,

Because of this amend­ment, many sug­gests that Con­gres­sional autho­riza­tion to raise the debt ceil­ing is not nec­es­sary, as not doing so would mean that Amer­ica defaults on its oblig­a­tion to pay its debt, thus, going against the 14th amend­ment of the constitution.

Repub­li­cans — who have stood their ground in insist­ing that rais­ing the debt ceil­ing is not going to hap­pen — are now scram­bling to find a way to defeat sec­tion 4 of the 14th amend­ment.

********Some have sug­gested an amend­ment to the 14th amend­ment and oth­ers like Rep. Tim Scott of South Car­olina, went even fur­ther. He wants to impeach Pres­i­dent Obama if the Pres­i­dent even thinks about try­ing to raise the debt ceil­ing with­out con­gress*******.

The South Car­olina rep­re­sen­ta­tive recently told a tea­party audience;
“

“This pres­i­dent is look­ing to usurp con­gres­sional over­sight to find a way to get it done with­out us. My posi­tion is that is an impeach­able act from my perspective.”

There are a lot of things peo­ple say, ‘Are you going to impeach the pres­i­dent over that?’ — No. But this? This is cat­a­strophic. This jeop­ar­dizes the cred­i­bil­ity of our nation if one man can usurp the entire sys­tem set up by our found­ing fathers over some­thing this significant.”

[Tx4obama]

13. Nothing there....

that says WHAT 'criminal charge' there'd be.
Only disgruntled GOPers yapping about impeachment.

And if the GOP is talking about 'changing' the 14 amendment - then that there shows that the GOP is afraid that The President CAN use it as it is LAWFULLY.

[SoFlaJet]

15. They'll never get him out of office

but that's not the point or the goal-it's to taint him with a scandal. Do you remember in 1998 when every day all day and night MSNBC had at the bottom of their screen: WHITE HOUSE IN CRISIS DAY 379....

[AtomicKitten]

17. I agree with BClinton: Just do it.

I look forward to the House GOP trying to impeach President Obama for preventing the default because of their inability to function. In fact, I dare them. That Kabuki Theater would go over splendidly I think. LOL.

[SoFlaJet]

18. and every single republican in the House of Representatives

will vote along with Tim Scott to impeach Barack Obama

[Tx4obama]

19. You are obsessing over something that can NOT happen without criminal charges. n/t

[SoFlaJet]

21. OK, I get it-you think I'm way out of bounds

so you tell US how you think this 3will play out, how will the debt ceiling get raised? It's easy to criticize but I'd like to see YOUR ideas

[Tx4obama]

22. So, now you're changing the subject.

The issue we've been debating all along was your obsession with the idea that the GOP will impeach Obama without Obama committing any criminal acts.

Now, as for the NEW subject you wish to talk about - In my opinion, the GOP will back down before the August 2nd deadline, Congress will pass a bipartisan bill and the crisis will be averted. If for some reason it doesn't play out like that then President Obama would still have the option to LEGALLY invoke the 14th amendment under his 'emergency powers' and the bills would be paid on time.

[AtomicKitten]

20. I'd say you've gone a bit too far out on the limb on this.

Remember how nicely impeachment worked out for the GOP in the 1990s? LOL.

I've read a lot of support for using the 14th Amendment to avoid default. If push comes to shove, President Obama should seriously consider this to prevent the country from going into default. If the GOP complains, let the courts sort it out.

[Igel]

23. The question is, Have you read a lot of the argument against using the 14th Amendment?

It's easy to find support if that's what you're after. You get the right definitions, the right snippets of text, the right arguments made in a vacuum.

What's harder is to subject the support to counterarguments and see if it's made out of plasticine or construction steel. To see if there is competing text that provides context, valid counterarguments, definitions that are sounder and better established but which undermine the claims.

The way I see it, there's no need to use the 14th Amendment to avoid default. Revenues exceed debt payments; any debt redeemed can be reissued. What's needed is to avoid very nasty cuts to services. While the 14th Amendment very nicely mentions debts, it also mentions obligations. The debt can't be questioned; no mention of questioning obligations.

[tcaudilllg]

24. I hope they do impeach Obama

Oh my god, talk about a no-brainer re-election! The people are innately disposed to distrust Boehner and to trust Obama.