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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:14 PM
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McConnell waves white flag on debt ceiling?

McConnell waves white flag on debt ceiling?

by Hunter

Politico:

Desperate to get out of the political box they helped to create, Senate Republicans are actively pursuing a new plan under which the debt ceiling would grow in three increments over the remainder of this Congress unless lawmakers approve a veto-proof resolution of disapproval.

In effect lawmakers would be surrendering the very power of approval that the GOP has used to force the debt crisis now. But by taking the disapproval route, Republicans can shift the onus more onto the White House and Democrats since a two-thirds majority will be needed to stop any increase that President Barack Obama requests.

Details are very fuzzy, but here's how it would apparently work. The Republicans would agree to make a series of three debt ceiling votes this year, but the default on each of those votes would be that the debt ceiling would get raised unless the House and Senate denied the move by a 2/3rds vote. And that isn't likely to happen, which means they all go through.

This is structured such that McConnell and the other Republicans can vote against debt ceilings from now until the next elections, but not actually have those votes matter. Because, presumably, there would always be enough Democrats voting for debt ceiling increases to block the Republicans from actually coming up with a 2/3rds majority. The Republicans want this to save face, and because they think they'll be able to use it as a club against Democrats. Hey, consequence-free votes against raising the debt ceiling! Look at us, we're responsible and stuff!

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Now, though, they may be willing here to abandon all spending cuts, rather than risk having to vote for closing any corporate tax loopholes, any increases taxes on the wealthy, etc. Just bail on the whole thing, grant the debt ceiling increase largely unencumbered, rather than be forced to make those votes. (As another face-saving measure, there's some language in this about Obama having to "propose" cuts later. I assume that's so that we can all keep pretending this is about the deficit: I note that there's nothing in there saying Congress actually has to act on those cuts.)

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The GOP has backed itself into such a corner that it's not even clear what they can agree on, at this point.



Steve Benen

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So, what does this mean, exactly? It struck me as a bad sign that I asked a few folks on the Hill to help walk me through this, and their explanations were far from identical.

As best as I can tell, McConnell’s proposed scenario, which would avoid default, is an elaborate scheme to pass the buck. President Obama could raise the debt ceiling, effectively on his own, with McConnell setting up a series of votes going into the 2012 election intended to put Democratic lawmakers on the spot. (McConnell’s top goal, other than defeating the president, is becoming Majority Leader in the next Congress. If he can make vulnerable Dems cast awkward votes, McConnell will do this as often as humanly possible.)

Brian Beutler unwraps the proposed solution.

The plan would require Congress to pass a bill allowing Obama to raise the debt limit on his own contingent on him taking a series of steps: Obama would have to notify Congress of his intent to raise the debt limit — a high-sign to Congress that would be subject to an official censure known as a “resolution of disapproval,” and which Obama could veto. If he vetoed the resolution, and if Congress sustained the veto, then Obama would also have to outline a series of hypothetical spending cuts he’d make, equal to the amount of new debt authority he gives himself.

McConnell proposes extending this process in three tranches, to force Obama to request more borrowing authority, and to force debt limit votes in Congress, repeatedly through election season. <…>

The legislation would not give Obama unilateral authority to cut spending or reduce deficits. And as such, it represents a big policy cave by Republicans, who’ve long insisted that they will not raise the debt limit without enacting entitlement cuts, long-sought by the conservative movement, on a bipartisan basis. But, if Dems buy into this option, it will keep the potent debt issue alive, and central to politics, for much of this election season.

Garance Franke-Ruta http://twitter.com/#!/thegarance/status/90868090077851648">described this as “one of the clearest statements of legislative cowardice I’ve ever seen.”

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:17 PM
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1. McConnell is an asshole. It sounds like a trap. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:36 PM
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6. I would agree. I saw the statement, don't really understand it,
but my mistrust of McConnell is so strong that I don't for a moment believe any move he makes would have any other goal than ousting Obama.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:58 PM
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17. I would not trust that fucker for a second with a nickel.
McConnell has an angle.
Has he not stated over and over that his whole purpose in life is to fuck over Obama?
Why would this be any different?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:36 PM
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19. The more I see him the more convinced I become that his
hatred of Obama is consuming him. And, I'm convinced he's outraged a Black guy is the leader of our country which is why he's so shockingly disrespectful.

I. Hate. Him.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:09 PM
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18. Yes, he's an a**hole, but no fool. Its surely a trap.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:26 PM
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2. Obama should laugh in his face.
Then tell him to go f himself.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:38 PM
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7. Something tells me he won't do that.
Instead, he'll give Turtle-Boy a hand job, and let him walk away from the debacle he helped create. Then, during the 2012 election cycle, McConnell will come back and hammer Obama with the very compromise that saved his little terrapin ass.

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA. IT'S TIME TO SAY "GO FUCK YOURSELVES."

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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:30 PM
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3. Legislative cowardice
Even those over at Freeperland are outraged by the punt.

But - this move, if enacted would entrench budgetary matters throughout the entire election season, in hopes of being able to bludgeon Obama over and over again every time he needs to increase the ceiling - and they get to vote against it without it costing them.

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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:31 PM
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4. Even the dim bulb GOP'r on Ratigan just said this proposal is beyond the pale and will never happen,
let alone receive any amount of legitimate consideration.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:38 PM
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8. EDIT _ I misread your post. Thought you said Dylan was a GOPr
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 03:39 PM by gateley
(which he may be, I don't know) and I sprang to his defense citing his interaction with the very person you're referring to. :hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:40 PM
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10. Is that really true? I hadn't heard it before. nt
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:48 PM
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12. Here's what is known so far, Gately
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:26 PM
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20. Yeow! Thanks! Why can't we blow this wide open? I found it
interesting that the article said there have been rumors about this in DC for years, and there were rumors for years about Larry Craig. Maybe DC just doesn't care, is used to it, but WE THE PEOPLE should jump on it! Paging WikiLeaks and Anon!

Thanks again! :hi:
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:38 PM
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9. Pres. Obama needs to tell them to get real. No dice. No games. Turn up the heat. nt
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:43 PM
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11. If they have come up with this to save face with the Koch, Norquest and teabaggers
it's not going to work. And the Dems can use it to their advantage by portraying the pukes as spoiled little brats who quit playing the game when they found out that there were rules they didn't like.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:50 PM
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13. I'm guessing that McConnell is alone in this.
Just wait. He'll retract it soon.

There is NO way that the Republicans are going to willingly let a hostage like the debt ceiling go...unless, of course, their corporate masters tell them too... hmmmmmm...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:50 PM
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14. Beware of Repukes bearing gifts.
But take all spending cuts off the table, go with this plan; and then use the fake "cuts" as those offsetting debt-ceiling increases in future. Even better, pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and use military cuts as the cuts for those future debt-ceiling increases.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:50 PM
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15. Obama won't go for votes right before election nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:52 PM
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16. Thanks for this. A little description, from NYT:
'Mr. McConnell’s proposal would give Mr. Obama sweeping power to increase the government’s borrowing authority, in increments, by up to $2.4 trillion – enough, it is estimated, to cover federal obligations through next year – only if Mr. Obama specifies spending cuts of equal amounts. But Congress would not have to approve the spending cuts prior to the debt-limit increase.'

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/mcconnell-proposal-gives-obama-power-to-increase-debt-limit/?hp

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