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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:18 PM
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GAWD!
Why, Weiner....?

Why lie all over the media about something that you yourself
said was nothing more than a distraction from the real issues?????

Didn't you see what happened to your wife's former boss' husband?
He got fucking impeached for lying about what he said he didn't do!

DAMN! :mad:



:crazy:




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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:20 PM
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1. And Americans still love Bill, go figure!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:24 PM
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2. Yes....but IMO, he wasn't elected to get tied up in nonsense for a fucking 2 years......
and plus,

Bill also signed
NAFTA,
DOMA,
DADT,
the recinding of Glass-Steagall,
and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (that's how cable went wild)....

and yeah.....Americans still love his 3 day old dirty drawers.

What does that tell you about the American People now and then?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:28 PM
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3. That the big Dawg is still a commanding figure!
And always will be.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:30 PM
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4. Tells me we love
3 day old dirty drawers no matter what....
but only in some cases.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:32 PM
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:34 PM
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7. And I know Obama being President burns yours.
I guess we get the last laugh.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:39 PM
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8. Apparently you have not been kept up to date (which doesn't surprise me in the least).
It doesn't burn my as that he is President, it burns my ass on some of his policies. I have actually defended him on policies I think he is right on.

Next please.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:42 PM
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9. LOL!

:rofl:
:rofl:


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:43 PM
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10. Why did I know that would be your response?
Use the DU search feature and learn something.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:48 PM
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12. Your bullshit taunts like the one above haven't gone
unnoticed over the years. And trust me, I'm more than familiar with the search feature.

Hence the use of "lmao".

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:17 PM
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57. I think he is just laughing at your cover story.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:31 PM
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62. I don't have a cover story.
The poster I responded to on the other hand....

:shrug:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:54 PM
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:57 PM
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18. It is because, as fucked up as Bill Clinton was......personally and via his policies,
some rabid folks always, always found ways to excuse him no matter what.....

And strange enough, it is many of these same folks who rail against
Barack Obama 24/7.

How does that make Obama's "core" supporter (whatever that fucking means)
the bad guys accused of "hatin'" by you?
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:15 PM
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26. By core support I mean...
...those who find it impossible to criticize anything he does.

Had Al Gore won, and continued Clinton's basic economic policies, the national debt would have been paid down by 2008, assuming Gore won a second term.

For all his fuckups, Clinton had balls. One of the first things he did was retroactively reverse the Reagan/Bush tax cuts for the rich. He did so with the bully pulpit, got most Dems in line and on board and passed his 1993 economic plan with ZERO republican votes. Had Obama done similar upon taking office, we would be in primary balance by next year.

Instead of constantly harping on the Clinton policies that were mistakes, you/we/I should be LEARNING from the policies that WORKED and work to UNDO those that didn't by pressuring Obama to undo them.

Ok, Im all out of breath now..... pant pant pant....

*lol*
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:22 PM
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27. So in essence you admire balls, and policies only matter now.....
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 07:24 PM by FrenchieCat
but not before.

pant, pant....indeed!
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:35 PM
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28. Sometimes good policies take 'balls' to implement
Sometimes compromise is not an option, and bold action becomes necessary. The two go hand in hand, sometimes. Yes, I admire politicians who have the balls to do the right thing.

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:13 AM
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48. It doesn't take "balls" to do the right thing.
What a fucking sexist load of tripe.
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:44 AM
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53. Ranting and panting entirely aside,
I feel that I must respectfully take your post to task for some minor exagerations, to say the least.

It is entirely true that if the country had by and large adhered to the economic policies of the Clinton administration, then the country was projected to be on track to have (more or less) eliminated the national debt within a relative handful of years - although even the most rosy of predictions placed the date for this at 2010, not 2008. This resulted in no small part from Bill Clinton's gutsy and statesmanly actions in forcing a Revenue Act through Congress in 1993 that tore a sizable chunk out of the deficit by raising additional revenue through increased taxes on the highest income brackets, and by in subsequent years blocking most of the reactionary (and budget-busting) initiatives pushed by the Republicans after they took control of Congress. This was beyond any doubt a considerable achievement. It is however very possible to over-sell it, and to misinterpret the ways in which it came about. It is not true, as you suggest, that the Act in any way "reversed" the Reagan/Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that were responsible for causing the budgetary mess that Clinton inherited from them. When Ronald Reagan came into office in 1981, the taxpayers in the highest income brackets were paying anywhere from 70% to 77% in their taxes. A series of moronic and reactionary tax cuts later, they were by the time that Bush I reached the presidency paying only about 28%. Bill Clinton "reversed" that development only in the sense that under his presidency the trend began to run in the opposite direction, with the top brackets paying around 38% - 39% in taxes after the Revenue legislation from his first two years was enacted. This amount was lowered slightly in 1997 as part of the compromise that Clinton reached with Republicans to finalize a balanced budget in that year, but the wealthy were still paying more under him than they had after under Reagan/Bush, but still considerably less than in the pre-Reagan years. After Bush II's tax cutting legislation in 2001 and 2003, this achievement of Clinton's was effectively reversed, the ugly deficits and debt that we are confronted with today are the result of that.

It is also incorrect to assert that Clinton achieved the passage of the 1993 Revenue Act by use of the Bully Pulpit. Certainly he did try to use it for that purpose, but he failed miserably at it. Despite a number of key policy successes Clinton was for the most part a woefully ineffective President during his first two years in office, and this was felt nowhere so much as in his ability to communicate with the public, which at this point was nothing short of abysmal. At the time that the Revenue Act passed his public approval ratings were reaching their nadir: down in the low 30s. Regardless of the merits of the RA as economic policy, it was very bad politics, which confused or angered much of the public, who percieved it at the time as a poor substitute for the middle class tax cut that Clinton had promised to enact during the 1992 campaign, and that confusion and anger contributed to the humiliation that was visited upon the Democratic Party in the 1994 midterm elections. Clinton achieved passage of his deficit reduction plan through Congress not through the Bully Pulpit, but by pressuring and persuading Democratic legislators to stand with him. He did a credible enough job at this, insofar as the plan did in fact pass through the Reconciliation Process, but only after a painful session of watering down in which every part of the bill that did not relate to deficit reduction was torn out, and much of what remained was scaled down. That Clinton was even this effective in working for the passage of his bill was the exception rather than the rule of his first two years in the Presidency, during which he bungled the handling of a number of legislative initiatives, prompting comparisons with Jimmy Carter. That Clinton ultimately did not share Carter's electoral fate can be attributed to the fact that he, to his credit, faced up to the mistakes that he had made, and in the third year of his administration pulled off an astonishing reinvention of his presidency and of his own style as President, rapidly maturing to become one of the most effective Chief Executives that this country has ever had.

To paraphrase you, in remembering the Clinton presidency we should honestly look at the ways in which he was effective, and the ways in which he was ineffective, and the reasons behind each. Unlike a number of liberals, I myself admire Bill Clinton - both as a President and as a man, despite his appalling personal weaknesses and screw-ups. I don't believe that he betrayed the left by embracing a number of policy positions that both at the tame and today we find abhorent - rather I see him as a President who governed in a time when Reagan-inspired conservatism was running rampant in this country's politics, and who recognized that both he and his party would have to adjust to the mood of the country if they were to remain in power. By remaining in power for as long as he did, he was able to blunt the worst excesses of the conservative movement, making the negative policy consequences of those years far less than they might have been otherwise, and along the way was also able to bring about some more positive policies from which the nation benefitted. He was a great president in my view because he was uniquely suited to the times in which he reigned.

As for your points about President Obama, they too are incorrect. There is no need at all for us to "pressure" him to take these positions - he already embraces them, and has for years now, even before he became President. That he has not been able to bring about all the policy process that we desire is attributable not to any particular failings on his part, but rather to the simple political realities with which he has had to deal: Congressional majorities in his first two years that were no bigger (and arguably even more conservative) than those Clinton had in his first two years and an opposition from the Republicans that was even more fanatical and absolute. There was always going to be a limit to how much he could squeeze out of Congress, and accordingly he had to prioritize. Returning tax rates for the wealthy to the level they were at in the Clinton years was just one of multiple legislative initiatives that Obama pushed for on multiple occaisons but which were rejected by Congress - along with comprehensive Immigration Reform, major environmental policy legislation, and shutting down Guantanomo Bay. On not one but several seperate occaisons, Obama all but pleaded Congress to pass legislation that would make the current tax rates for the middle class permanent, which would have allowed him to let the Bush tax cuts expire and thereby automatically return rates to the Clinton years. Congress however, failed to act, as they did on each of the other noted issues, and many others besides. Pressure and blame would be far better at Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid than Barack Obama, although even they can only be credited with a limited level of influence over their caucuses.

It is worth noting that even if tax rates had been returned to their Clinton-era level, that would by itself not have been enough to bring us back into "primary balance" by next year, as you claim it would, although it would have helped. The Bush tax cuts are responsible for a large part of our current deficit, but by no means all of it - the huge swathe of revenue wiped out by the economic crisis, coupled with the increased strains it placed upon government budgets at the federal, state, and local levels is just as responsible. Costly wars in the middle east, bailout and stimulus programs, programs like Bush's Medicare Part D that were never paid for, the mounting costs of various social programs, and a host of other factors have all contributed to ensuring that it would take far, far more than simply returning tax rates to the levels that Bill Clinton achieved in order to balance our budget.

As it was, President Obama proved to be a far more effective Chief Executive in his first two years in office than any other President in recent years, certainly outstripping Clinton considerably, and managed to compile a record as a Presidential lawmaker that is considerably lower than that of FDR, but still manages to sit somewhere between Lyndon Johnson and Woodrow Wilson, and that is no mean feat, requiring balls and brains of a genuinely historic nature. In the midst of the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, he took an ineffective bank-bailout program left by his predecesor and turned it not only into a success, but a profitable investment; backed it up with a set of laws bringing about the most powerful economic regulations since the New Deal, from the CARD Act to Wall Street Reform; orchestrated a series of pieces of stimulus legislation that altogether adds up to about one and a half trillion dollars in stimulus spending, which included massive investments in infrastructure, education, shoring up social programs, clean energy, and medical research, bailing out state and local governments that were on the verge of bankruptcy, and the largest program of tax cuts and incentives for the middle class and small businesses in American history (going some way towards correcting a major injustice dating back to the Reagan years, whereby Republicans have sought to balance out their tax cuts for the wealthy by shifting the burden onto the middle class); succeeded in passing a healthcare reform bill that will bring this country closer to universal coverage than it has ever been before, and manages to institute positive reforms (Patients Bill of Rights) and cut billions of dollars off the deficit at the same time; repealed DADT; and overhauled and bulked up the regulatory powers of a number of key federal agencies (eg. the Food and Drug Administration). And that's just the biggest accomplishments (for sake of space, numerous others have to go unmentioned)of his domestic presidency in those years - in his foreign policy he's managed to eliminate the bulk of America's military presence in Iraq, with the same scheduled to happen in Afghanistan over the next couple of years; succeeded in getting the New START treaty ratified; has thus far managed to navigate America's foreign policy interests through the ongoing social upheaval in the Middle East with no small success (though it remains to be seen whether the intervention in Libya will prove to be a "success" story); hit the proverbial "reset button" on relations between America and much of the world, to the point where we can enjoy a modicum of the international respect we commanded in the pre-Bush years; and has achieved a number of trade agreements that gratifyingly lacked most of the problems that dogged such agreements in the Bush (and Clinton) years.

It is on the whole a formidable record, and I would contend that far from being in any way, shape, or form a "disappointment", we were extremely lucky that President Obama managed to get even this much done - it would have been much easier for him to achieve far less than even a little more. Yes, he made mistakes - his PR strategy could have done with some considerable reworking, for one - but he made far fewer mistakes than others (eg. Clinton) have made in the past, and fewer than almost anyone else that I know of might have done if they had exchanged positions with him. The loss of the House to the Republicans has ensured that the next year and a half are highly unlikely to be productive, but IMO prospects remain hopeful that the President and the Democrats in Congress will be able to hold the line to the point that only minimal damage is inflicted upon the country by the GOP, and the bulk of the gains made by the 111th Congress will remain intact. Everything hangs on the 2012 election results - if Obama is reeelected and we can hang onto the Senate + win back the House (a real possibility) then progress might again be resumed. Still, in evaluating Barack Obama's performance as President thus far, my judgement would be that he has proved to be more effective as Chief Executive than any man occupying the office since Richard Nixon - and I have no doubt at all as to who most people would prefer to have as President if offered a choice between Obama and Nixon.

This post is somewhat off-topic, to say the least, but hopefully it will contribute somewhat to the discussion.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:30 PM
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61. Excellent post. n/t
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:30 PM
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68. Thank you, I try.
:)
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 09:15 PM
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35. I dislike Clinton for
His racist, race-baiting behavior during the campaign for the South Carolina primary...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:54 PM
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15. I never disliked Bill Clinton......
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 07:09 PM by FrenchieCat
But I'm still trying to figure out why those who supported Bill soooo much,
DESPITE the fucked up policies he enacted, are the same ones who say they hate
Obama's policies. It is ironic indeed!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:32 AM
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51. Let's be real. Clinton was fortunate enough to preside over the dot com boom.
which began to burst on his way out. What we can't know is if his many scandals, and there were many, would have tanked his career if he'd had to preside over the economy left by Bush II.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 04:19 PM
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67. and welfare "reform" act. nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:32 PM
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5. All I can say is Why.
His actions would be condemned if done by a teenager. He is a US Congressman. He should have felt a need to live up to that honor. He also was married pretty recently to a woman who is gorgeous and must be pretty intelligent for Hillary to have given her the job she had. How could he risk his reputation, marriage and job?

It is rather ironic that Bill Clinton actually performed his marriage.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:48 PM
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11. I'm just glad
that he ISN'T a member of the Obama cabinet, as one thread "lamented". The President doesn't need the RW-enabling media bullshit that inevitably comes with the chance of dogging a Democrat.

Why can't they learn from what happened to Clinton? Is thinking with one's penis so compelling that thinking even ONE move ahead goes right out the window?
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:51 PM
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13. I'm sure Obama's cabinet is also happy Weiner is gone because he was a thorn in their DLC beliefs
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:58 PM
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19. Speculate as you wish. Weiner's own carelessness is to blame here, period.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:01 PM
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22. Wow....Weiner lies and lies for 10 fucking straight days to anyone who would talk to him.....
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 07:02 PM by FrenchieCat
and Obama's cabinet is the guilty party?

How quaint of you.....for serving up that fucked up weak sauce.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:03 PM
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23. Prove it.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:05 PM
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24. They're hawking this "opinion" over on another thread too.
A Dem messes up on his own and look how far people reach to figure out how to slam the President/Administration for it.

:crazy:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:56 PM
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16. Stuff like this is why women have GOT to get more serious about politics
If women could channel the vast amount of energy we are programmed to believe should be spent on staying thin and getting a man into becoming educated and more involved in the political process, we'd take over the Western political environment in a week. The rise of the conservative woman (Bachmaan, Palin etc.) is fascinating if discouraging.

I simply cannot understand exactly WHY is it so hard for some men to not do the type of thing that Weiner has done. It's not just stupidity, it's something much deeper that leads a man to believe that absolutely NOTHING -- not his job, not his family, not even his WORD -- is more important than his Weiner (capital W). I just don't get it. I don't think I ever will.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:49 PM
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29. As a man, I can answer that for you...
Hormones. Hormones override common sense in both men and women, but more so in men. Testosterone makes men do stupid things. Almost every war that has ever been waged was started/driven by it.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 05:19 AM
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47. I was watching a show where a Transgendered woman to man
was taking testosterone & he basically said his sex drive had exploded & no he understood why men act the way they do!

...By no means am I trying to make an excuse for Weiner or us men in general but simply being honest. Men, especially public servants, should know how to control themselves & if they can't they should seek help!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:56 PM
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17. I am always amazed when an otherwise bright politician jeopardizes
their personal life and career (including political party) and humiliates their family with this kind of juvenile lack of self-control and common sense.

In his litany of apologies, Congressman Weiner actually apologized to Andrew Breitbart thereby imparting credibility on that snake oil salesman. Aaarrggghhh!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:58 PM
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20. Yep....that was the first thing I thought of.....
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:38 AM
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45. Weiner had no choice, Breitbart had the dope on Weiner
namely the x-rated picture Weiner had sent.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:59 PM
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21. Clinton got impeached for getting head
Meanwhile Bush launches an illegal invasion of a country costing trillions of dollars, thousands of US lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and no impeachment even though the war was based on lies.

We live in such a fucked up country.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:06 PM
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25. DINO "Call me, Paul Ryan!" Bill got impeached for lying under oath aka. committing perjury
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 07:44 PM by ClarkUSA
Read the facts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/clinton_under_fire/latest_news/238784.stm

Like Weiner, Bubba didn't have to lie to his followers, either.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:52 PM
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30. Clinton got impeached because he was a Democrat
Dont delude yourself into believing otherwise.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 08:40 PM
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32. Prove it.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 09:00 PM
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34. OK
After six years of one frivolous, fruitless investigation after another, the republicans stooped to peeking into bedroom windows to find something, anything, on Bill Clinton.

I find it appalling that any Democrat could actually defend such sleaze from the GOP.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:16 AM
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37. If Bill didn't lie or fool around with other women besides his wife
then the GOP couldn't have brought him up on the charges they did. Bill is not the victim here.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:23 AM
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38. He was hunted like an animal for years
Remember them trying to subpoena Christmas card lists and accusing him of being a serial killer? Then tried to impeach him for a blowjob, as a part of an investigation into a land deal? Are you kidding me? You actually supported that shit? Shame, shame.

Hate and anger poison a persons integrity.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:27 AM
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39. If he didn't lie or fool around on his wife
then they couldn't have impeached him for a blow job as part of an investigation into a land deal. They got him for what he did DO. If he didn't DO what he DID, then he wouldn't have been impeached.

I didn't support the witch hunt but he wasn't clean. He got caught, lied, and was impeached for it. No one's fault but his own.

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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:34 AM
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40. I will repeat myself
Hate and anger clouds a persons judgment and poison their integrity.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:17 AM
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49. Which is why so many people here only think
they are adding "constructive" criticism when hating on Obama.

:shrug:

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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:56 AM
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56. Bull. Shit.
Do a little research before you open your trap. That impeachment was payback for Nixon. Lying isn't perjury. If he had committed perjury, he would have been convicted.

Christ.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:43 AM
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41. +1,000
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:55 AM
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55. This again?
Quit repeating repuke talking points. He got impeached because the fucking repukes had it in for him from day one. They wasted 40 MILLION dollars investigating him from day one. And he didn't commit perjury, because the statements weren't material and the case in question was dismissed. Do a little research before you open your trap.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:45 AM
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Nope, Clinton got in trouble for Perjury
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 03:46 AM by golfguru
for lying about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky
in the sexual harassment trial for Paula Jones.

If Clinton confessed in court that he was getting blow jobs
he would not be in legal trouble for that. Smartest thing he
could have done was to settle out of court with Paula Jones.
She was'nt asking for much. Just an apology and a small cash settlement.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:45 AM
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46. n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 03:46 AM by golfguru
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:54 PM
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31. I'm so sick of these pigs.
Weiner has only been married for a year so he is essentially still a newlywed.

I bet his kids are proud of him.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 08:45 PM
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33. He's been sending weiner pics & sexting w/6 different women for 3 years, before & after marriage.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 08:47 PM by ClarkUSA
"Rep. Anthony Weiner, the New York congressman who on Monday admitted that he lied when he denied sending lewd photos to and "sexting" with six women over the last three years says he's not resigning."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/06/06/137011447/weiner-s-survival-will-take-more-than-an-apology

No kids and at this rate, never. I'll bet his bride is happy about that.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:14 AM
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36. I am sick of these lying, scum bag politicians
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 01:21 AM by bigwillq
who are power hungry, ego trippers. It shouldn't matter the party or what he did or didn't do for the party and/or for progressive causes. To me, he's just another scum bag.



Not sure if anything he did is illegal, but he should resign or be fired (repealed? impeached?) because of his stupidity.


I can't really tolerate people with his kind of power that pull stunts like this and expect no consequences. He shouldn't continue in his current capacity. Yes, there are bigger issues, but I wouldn't support a repuke who did this, so I can't support a DEM that did it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:24 AM
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Sienna86 Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 08:19 AM
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50. I agree....
in my opinion there must be some strong feelings of inadequacy to indulge in this behavior.
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:23 AM
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42. Five US soldiers died in Iraq today..........but
do I hear any outrage over that??? Not a word!!
Talk about insane priorities in this country.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:26 AM
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44. +1,000
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:37 AM
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52. We can't be outraged by both? I'm sure if you look around, you'll see it.
And let's be honest, if this had been the president, I'm sure your attitude would be quite different.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:48 AM
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54. We should be more outraged by the dead soldeirs in Iraq
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 11:49 AM by Cali_Democrat
The wars are a much more important issue than a man sending pictures of himself over the internets.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:07 PM
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58. Important in whose eyes? One thing's for sure, there's never an "outrage" deficit at DU.
And what you so cavalierly have decided is "a man sending pictures of himself over the internets" isn't what most of us are outrage about. It's that he's an outspoken Democrat, who loves the sight of himself on the teevee, and he's now a proven liar. Instead of owning up to it, he chose to lie. That's what has me pissed off. Plus the fact that he has now legitimized Breitbart, who was quickly becoming nothing more than a joke, and that pisses me off most.

"My twitter account was hacked"? Weiner is now a punch line, and that has many of us upset. You don't get to decide what I should be outraged about. :hi:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:16 PM
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59. What are you more outraged by?
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 01:19 PM by Cali_Democrat
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which have cost the US trillions of dollars and thousands of lives? Or Weiner sending pictures of himself and initially lying about it? Which issue do you think is more important?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:22 PM
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60. This may come as a surprise to you, but we're at war? Duh.
And yes, I am more outraged by the sanctimonious lying POS who has given Dems another black eye, and legitimized a charlatan in the process.

The question for you is, why are you trying so hard to equate the two, and why are you minimizing Weiner's role in his own self destruction? Oh wait, I know exactly why. Would that you would be so accomodating to the administration. Oh, nevermind.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 02:42 PM
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63. We can have a difference of opinion
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 02:50 PM by Cali_Democrat
You're more outraged by Weiner. I'm more outraged by wars that have cost the lives of thousands of US military personnel and hundreds of thousands of civilians. The wars have also cost us trillions of dollars at a time when we could least afford it. The Iraq war was also based on a lie.

We appear to have a difference of opinion in terms of what the vital issues are facing this country.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:26 PM
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64. "We appear to have a difference of opinion" on EVERYTHING.
:hi:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:53 PM
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65. I wouldn't go so far as to say that
It's just a matter of prioritization and our rankings of the vital issues. Weinergate barely registers on my radar, but for you it's a big deal apparently.

The wars are the most important issues for me. For you, not so much.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 04:18 PM
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66. I know. I am pissed at that weasel now.
what a stupid man. good fucking lord.
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