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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:22 AM
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"Corporatist" Obama Administration Sues Oil Futures Traders
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"Corporatist" Obama Administration Sues Oil Futures Traders
Saturday, May 28, 2011 | Posted by Deaniac83


Ack! There goes the "corporatist" Obama administration again - this time trying to hold oil futures traders accountable! First, this "corporatist" administration comes into office and passes unprecedented measures to protect consumers from corporate malfeasance like a patient's bill of rights on steroid in health reform, the most significant re-regulation of Wall Street since the 1930s, student loan reform, and credit card reform. And now, this! Outrageous!

Even under the convoluted legal morass that derivatives and futures tradings operated under under before President Obama's Wall Street reform was signed into law, CFTC has found a way to hold at least some wild-marketeers accountable and is suing oil traders for manipulating the market in 2008 (and there might be more to come in the pipeline).

The suit says that in early 2008 they tried to hoard nearly two-thirds of the available supply of a crucial American market for crude oil, then abruptly dumped it and improperly pocketed $50 million.

The regulators from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission would not say whether the agency was conducting any other investigations into oil speculation. With oil prices climbing again this year, President Obama has asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to set up a working group to look into fraud in oil and gas markets and “safeguard against unlawful consumer harm.”


If the CFTC wins the lawsuit, they will not only win that $50 million, but may also be awarded an additional $150 million in penalties.


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The traders simply bought up millions of barrels of oil, held it and made it look like there was a shortage in the market, driving up both your prices at the pump and their profits in the futures market.

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And they were planning to do it again, until regulators got curious:

The traders repeated the buying and selling in March 2008, and were preparing to do it again in April but stopped when investigators contacted them for information, the suit says.


Hmm...

In all seriousness, the Obama administration has been a fierce advocate for consumer protections and making sure that we have a free market system, not a wild gambling market system. And they have not stopped at mere advocacy. They have taken it to action. President Obama's leadership has ensured that we have turned back the insane deregulation mess of Reaganomics, and transformed the paradigm from whether regulations are good to which regulations are good. And as we see in this case, they have used legal instruments available to them to hold corporate thieves accountable. Anyone accusing the President of being in cahoots with corporate abuses is either not paying attention or flat out lying.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:25 AM
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1. A true free market would be unregulated...
and arguably, a wild gambling market system. This is a demonstration of the need for regulated markets, perhaps better labeled "fair markets."

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:27 AM
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Not really *that* fierce a consumer advocate, if you seek privacy, medical marijuana, or mortgage..
...refi, but this, er, $200 million lawsuit -- in the face of oil company billions (the same oil companies the administration is allowing to keep drilling, despite lack of safety standards in some areas) is, I guess, a start.

Let's hope it goes somewhere.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:44 AM
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4. Who's his chief of staff?
:silly:
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:45 AM
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5. Who's your daddy?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 03:33 PM
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13. Not William M Daley.
:silly:

Or Geithner. :silly:

Or Summers :silly:

Or Immelt :silly:

Or DCBob, Sr. :silly:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 01:43 PM
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22. Daddy got your tongue?
Pfft!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 11:15 AM
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6. No, they will point out
that speculators screw up the market for the corporations that own the government. Obama is protecting the corporatists with this action.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 11:18 AM
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7. He keeps us guessing, doesn't he?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 11:26 AM
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8. K&R
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 11:39 AM
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9. Babs, I love your consistency -
you are a consistent supporter of and believer in our President. I really appreciate and respect that, even if I don't always agree 100%. I always know I can look to your posts for a reasoned, positive analysis. Thank you for your contributions to the discourse!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 01:06 PM
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10. k&r
:patriot:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:01 PM
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11. lol.
Edited on Sat May-28-11 02:01 PM by girl gone mad
They go after a couple of small fish and we're supposed to be impressed?

Goldman Sachs will be happy to have some of their competition eliminated.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:11 PM
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12. CTFC also brought cases under Bush
In the last few years, the commission has settled a handful of cases of manipulation in the natural gas market.

In 2007, it settled charges for $1 million against the Marathon Petroleum Company for trying to manipulate West Texas Intermediate crude oil in 2003.

The agency brought an action similar to its latest case in 2008, asserting that Optiver Holding, a proprietary trading fund based in the Netherlands with a Chicago affiliate, used a trading program in 2007 to issue orders to manipulate the crude oil market. The case is pending. It involved claims of manipulation of futures contracts for light sweet crude, New York Harbor heating oil and New York Harbor gasoline.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 09:07 PM
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14. one question -- how MUCH did the traders make?
I'll bet it was far more than the piddly 200 million the CTFC is seeking. Tiny slap on the wrist to be able to claim they *went after* the bad guys?

It would be laughable if it wasn't yet another glaring example of the kabuki theatre productions when it comes to justice against the elites...
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 08:51 AM
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17. Cost of doing business
No shit. $200 million is chump change. Just a little bit of mayonnaise on a shit sandwich for all of us. A few "rogue" traders will get hammered while, Goldman Sachs and B of A gets off scott free.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:04 PM
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15. I vote for "flat out lying".
Bookmarked for my OFA group. Thanks, Sis! :hi:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 05:54 PM
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18. Certainty must be comforting
it really must
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 11:07 PM
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16. In all seriousness, the current admin is full of the biggest manipulators
who will remain untouched as long as real corruption, the corruption of the elites remains untouched. The head of the CFTC was recently on The Ed Show saying the exact same thing using several charts as examples of how the biggest speculative firms are masking themselves as "commercial traders" instead of "speculative traders".

Look it up and inform yourself.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 07:27 PM
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19. My question is this: Is what they are doing legal?
Probably not, or they wouldn't be getting sued? But why sue them? If they are doing something illegal, why not put them in jail? This is no fucking deterrent. Its a slap on the wrist in an industry that makes BILLIONS. And who pays it? PUT THE FUCKERS IN JAIL FOR 20 YRS AND THATS A DETERRENT.
God forbid they get caught smoking a joint. Then they go to jail. But STEALING billions of dollars???? Oh well, they are too important to our economy to really punish them.:puke:
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 09:06 PM
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20. I'm glad he did this it's about time these guys are gouging the average consumer.
Too bad that this is an ongoing legal case and Obama can't campaign on it next year.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 09:27 PM
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21. That shit should be a federal crime....nt
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 05:07 PM
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23. 200 million is chump change, especially spread over all parties involved.
Edited on Mon May-30-11 05:10 PM by sudopod
By way of comparison, the defense budget is 700 billion. IIRC, Exxon made 50 billion this year.

Compared to the total damage done to the US economy every time they pull this shit? Who knows.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 07:42 PM
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24. It's a good start.
Really, it is. But it's not enough. Unfortunately, $200 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount these thieving speculators made by gouging the American people.

We need to seize 90% of the bastards' assets...and then make examples of most of them.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:40 AM
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26. You might want to check the 5th amendment and...
Edited on Tue May-31-11 03:42 AM by SDuderstadt
tell us how we're going to "seize" anything.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 10:09 PM
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25. 200 million divided over the entire racket is a token propaganda effort.
A 50 million dollar suit for the kind of bread trading hands and going into pockets is a show, not evidence that Obama isn't either owned or quite willing for free.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 06:34 AM
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27. When Obama and Holder finally launch an investigation of the Bush/Cheney criminal enterprise and the
banksters I will take notice. And of course there's BP and the toxic explosion in the Gulf.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 09:31 AM
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28. even "corporatists" understand
that the high cost of oil hurts their profit margin
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