April a deadly month for U.S. troops in Iraq Eleven U.S. troops died in the worst month since combat missions officially ended last year.
The Washington Post
BAGHDAD, Iraq - April was the deadliest month for U.S. military forces in Iraq in nearly a year and a half and the worst by far for American troops since they officially ended combat missions in the country last year, according to military and independent record keepers.
In a statement released here Saturday, U.S. forces said an 11th soldier died Friday while conducting an operation in southern Iraq. With that death, the U.S. military tied its highest body count in Iraq since November 2009, when 11 soldiers also died, according to the website icasualties.org.
Five of the deaths were attributed to bombings and mortar or other attacks, mostly in the majority-Shiite south. Six were classified as noncombat-related.
The spike comes as U.S. officials are urging Iraqi leaders to decide soon whether they want some American troops to stay beyond a year-end deadline for their withdrawal.
Just a stunningly stupid decision to go in there in the first place. We wiped out their military, so now the country is a power vacuum with a ton of oil and Iran right next door. The second we leave, Iran will walk right in and take over those oil fields. Saddam may have been a despicable human being, but so are the dipshits running Iran. The two balanced each other out. And we undermined this important dynamic in Middle East politics. We might be stuck in Iraq forever as a result.
4. Death while serving should never be downplayed. Neither should they be used to push a meme.
11 deaths the whole year and more than half completely non-combat related. Give me a break. True war, as we've seen, yields much higher casualties than that over half a year. By your logic, we must have been at war with Texas when the Fort Hood shooting occurred. Its doubly more disgusting that you would use the deaths of people serving to try and make a case to claim that the war isn't over. Thats an insult to their deaths because you are using their deaths to push a falsehood. The war in Iraq, for all intents and purposes of being a real war, is over. Soldiers dying while being deployed in a foreign country does not automatically equate to a war.
You can see there the number on the year is 22. It is still a war, we are still occupying the country. We have expanded the largest embassy in the world there and are currently hiring a private army so that Obama can claim he held to his promise of getting the troops out by the end of the year. However, that even is being debated now as 10,000 may remain after 2011.
Your own link says only 11 fatalities were hostile fatalities.
We occupy a lot of countries. We have large, expanded embassies in many countries. We aren't engaged in any serious combat operations. Not much is really going on there at all. A handful of soldiers are going to die ANYWHERE they exist because people tend to die wherever people tend to live. Telling me 11 or 22 or 33 people died there this year does not make it a war.
I know you are clinging onto it so hard because you want it to still be a war so badly. But its not. The Iraq war is over. This pathetically small amount of military activity still going on there means nothing. War is a lot more serious than that and the term shouldn't be bandied around and raped to death like this.
Tell the families of the dead that "pathetically small amount of military activity still going on there means nothing". The war has subsided to be sure, but it is still a war. There are still people dying daily in attacks in Iraq. We still have armed troops in the country fighting, killing and dying.
There are no embassies in the world like the one in Iraq. None, not by the US or any other country. You should look into it, it is massive. No other embassy has the private army that ours has, either. War contractors and troops still operate in Iraq, we still carry out strikes. You can say the war is over, but it is not. It has lessened, but not ended.
15. Not nearly as disgusting as those that are guilty of the accusation.
"Tell the families...", I'll just stop you right there and tell you to get off your high horse over the families. They aren't to be used as a baseball bat for you to verbally bludgeon me with anymore than your whoring of the word war is.
I don't really care about the size of the embassy. Embassy size has nothing to do with whether or not a war is going on. We could have no embassy or world trade center sized embassy. It would make no difference as to whether or not we are still at war in Iraq. Drop that from your argument. Its getting you nowhere.
Contractors and troops operate all over the world. We are still maintaining some security operations there yes. That is not war. We are not at war with any particular entity in Iraq. We are not at war with Iraq. The country has its own government, its own elections and we aren't at war with it. War is a lot bigger and brasher than what we are doing there right now. According to your insane logic, we could be at war with half the world since you are basing it on embassies, troop presence and any measure of aggressive activity. Your criteria for what constitutes as war is laughable, ridiculous and dead wrong.
21. I disagree. We are still dealing with an issue generated by Bush era Republicans.
And therefore, there is no avoiding continuing some of the same generic practices that must take place whenever any government has such issues to deal with.
I opposed the war in Iraq from day 1. But after we went ahead and did it, I said then, several years ago, that now we've broken it, so we've inherently bought it. Thats why I support responsible, cautious withdrawal which is exactly what we are seeing take place. Just because we (liberal Democrats, progressives, etc) never wanted our presence there in the first place doesn't give us a license to drop the whole thing in one fail swoop and leave these countries, that our country uprooted in the first place, completely on their own. I did not approve of instigating the sacrifice. But it was instigated and we have to deal with it responsibly. Gradual withdrawal and continuing security support are part of that. Its inconvenient. It sucks, for lack of a better way to put it. But its also very true.
24. It ceased to be a war when there ceased to be major battles.
The subject of military contractors coming in is a serious subject and one that deserves scrutiny. Their presence does not make it a war. People simple being somewhere does not make that something a war. You people are all abusing the use of the word war and are thus causing it to lose meaning.
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