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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:47 PM
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"Obama may have found an issue to save his presidency."
A Washington Post-ABC News poll found 78 percent of Americans oppose cutting spending on Medicare to reduce the deficit, and 69 percent oppose cutting Medicaid. Obamas plan to raise taxes on couples earning $250,000 a year or more wins the support of 72 percent of voters. A McClatchy-Marist poll found 2 in 3 Americans favoring raising taxes on those earning more than $250,000 but 4 in 5 voters opposing cutting Medicare or Medicaid.

Obamas position is in sync with three-fourths of the nation. Why would he retreat from this unassailable high ground to seek a compromise with a hugely unpopular Republican proposal? Why not pound the Ryan Republicans remorselessly as defenders of the rich and slashers of the social safety net if America agrees with you?

Obama may have found an issue to save his presidency.

He is today upside-down in every national poll. Many more Americans disapprove of the job he is doing than approve. Why would a president who has lost the support of half his country surrender a strong position that three-fourths of his country agrees with?

Democratic allies on Capitol Hill would regard this as madness.

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Excellent points all, made by...Pat Buchanan! (Yes, that Pat Buchanan!)

But hey, don't worry: The sanity doesn't continue, as you can see at

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/04/21/barack-hussein-...
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Progress_LocalGlobal Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:51 PM
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1. I don't think Obama needs to "save" his presidency
He just needs people to get out and vote. I have faith America will get it right.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:00 AM
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6. LOL
:rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:11 AM
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11. I know, right?
Only a fool would think Obama's presidency is fighting to grab any lifeline...

Obama was well on his way to reelection before the Republican budget.

Political hacks make me roll on the floor laughing too, Skittles! haha
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 02:45 AM
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14. ???
:rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:25 AM
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16. !!!
:rofl:

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:52 AM
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26. . . .
:rofl:

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:00 AM
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7. I want to see him take a stand on *something* if I'm going out to vote
So far, his wishy washy "adopt-the opponent's position and then bargain down from there" approach is excruciating. I want to "primary" him.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:25 AM
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17. Then run...or shut up...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:13 AM
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18. I won't shut up
And I've been here since back when it was OK to demand a leftie for president. Obama turned out to be a DINO. Maybe he'll change, but I doubt it.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:30 AM
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25. Obama didn't turn into anything. You just never bothered to read about him.
Nor did you bother to take into account his political climate. The freedom of a Senator, especially in a Republican run Senate and with a Republican run Senator is not the same in any way shape or form to a President dealing with a constructed Republican obstruction. To say he turned into a DINO is absolutely insane. And to sell an argument that the two are not mutually exclusive is dishonest. Additionally, please don't say you weren't talking about the Senate. There's no other way to suggest turning---since he's been President for 2.5 years.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:26 AM
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24. Oh yes...most definitely wishy-washy. He got nothing done in 2.5 years.
Because if one is wishy-washy---nothing could get done. You should advocate a primary against him (not that, that person would win)....it's brain food.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:51 PM
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2. Too soon to tax the rich, Obama has more than a year to make major moves...
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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:51 PM
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3. Bat Puchanan can make sense once in awhile. n/t
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scribble Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:56 PM
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4. Obama promised this three years ago ...
... so why should we believe him now?

Really. List reasons for me.

I think his presidency is lost. I think he has no one else but himself to blame.


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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:56 PM
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5. Obama doesn't need to 'save' his his presidency, it is not in jeopardy. And as for ...
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 11:59 PM by Tx4obama

the polls regarding Obama's approval/disapproval numbers don't believe everything you read.
Most pollsters don't poll cellphone users which is a big part of Obama's base compared to the GOP's old folks that mainly use landlines.

But if you do look at the polls - the Obama vs. Republican Field individual head to head polls - they are looking pretty damn good for Obama.

Take a look at the whole page of the head to head polls here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/...

Obama is beating each of the possible GOPers so far!


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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:02 AM
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8. I wonder if he has al.the "cell phone only" peeps in his crew any more
What has he done for THEM lately?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:03 AM
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9. He has no need to worry about saving his job
The GOP will likely nominate a lunatic, deliberately throwing the election.

Why not, they get most everything they want with Obama, and dont have to worry about being responsible for any resulting backlash if things dont work out.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:07 AM
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10. I think Obama knows it and from all indications he is going to push the issue.
From what I've read it looks like he is going take his case to the nation and pin the Republicans on their own extremism. Contrast this with fall 2010 when Obama took a postive position on the tax cut expirations and dropped it into the lap of a scared and reluctant Congress. The result, as we all know, was a total fail.

Good news though. President Obama has finally found the bully pulpit and possibly some personal mettle. The "I refuse" line in his budget speech was something different from him. It just about knocked me off my chair and I really wanted to give him a second chance after hearing it.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:18 AM
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12. Progressive group launches major new ad campaign targeting GOP for voting to phase out Medicare
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 12:19 AM by Tx4obama

Significant New Progressive Ad Campaign Targets Republicans For Voting To End Medicare (VIDEO)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/significant-...


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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:29 AM
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13. Enable the American self delusion?
Even Krugman knows Medicare and Medicaid are the biggest fiscal problems we face.

If Obama wants to pretend things are fine, he does us a disservice.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:14 AM
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19. He's more inclined to save nuclear power plants than health care for old people.
That's just the way he's put together.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:06 AM
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20. I wish he would sit down in a dark
corner somewhere with no advice from the cabinet.

Maybe he could consider the long term ramifications of his decisions in a new light. Maybe he would realize that corporate interests and the American citizen's interests are no longer one and the same. If Obama is on the payroll of some shadowy figures behind the scene I fail to understand the motive. How much money does a person need? I do not understand being motivated by more more more. But some of the most unsatisfied people I know are those making between $200,000 and $500,000 a year.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:21 AM
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21. He's hitler
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:23 AM
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23. I don't think he's motivated by money so much as he is a dutiful corporate lawyer serving his client
with diligence. It's principled, but mercenary, like any good lawyer.

He's had largely the same clients since he entered the Senate -- an Illinois-based nuclear power company and the industry are among them. He's not very ideological in the conventional American Liberal-Conservative sense, except that his ideology is thoroughly conventional belief that corporations and the prevailing economic system are essentially rational.

In his own defense, he would say that he chose which causes make most sense to him, and believes that he's smarter than most anyone who would second-guess what those choices are. He's full of hubris, and a lot of people sense he's arrogant and insensitive to human suffering, but he isn't quite a complete enough person to accept that fact and allow himself to be changed by it. Comes from always being told he's the smartest person in the room - correct or not, it's not a good thing to believe about ones own self.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:23 AM
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22. With the clowns running against him....this is just a cheery on top. n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:09 AM
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27. Pat is so racist, sexist and homophobic that I personally can not
take anything he has to say as having any form of reason behind it. If Pat told me he liked my hat, I'd toss it in the trash. Forgive me for having a memory and not being 20. Google is your friend, Buchanan is not. I know Maddow coos over him as her 'uncle' but she is paid hundreds of thousands to promote that vicious old fuck, and apparently she feels needy in life, and takes the pay. I do not have to see that as ethical, and I most certainly do not. The day I saw Pat being introduced as 'my Uncle Pat' I stopped watching her. I don't get the checks, so I don't have to pretend that Pat is not a horrible bigot with a record of quotes that make other Republicans look moderate.
Blech. Buchanan. Got anything from someone reasonable, like say, Carrot Top?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:21 AM
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28. locking
this would be what the rules refer to as right wing smears. no matter how much you might agree with the occasional comment by pat buchanan, he is not welcome here at du in any form.
thanks.
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