If someone has concluded that Obama is a "coward" and a "liar" does that mean

[ProSense]

that person no longer support him?

Seriously, why would someone support a person they have determined to be a "coward" and a "liar"?

Or is that simply hyperbole?

[AllentownJake]

1. I don't like him

I will like his GOP opponent less.

Does that answer your question.

[ProSense]

2. Yes, it does. He did make a good decision bringing

Specter into the party though, didn't he?

[AllentownJake]

5. Not really

The reason he brought him on board was Health Care Reform. His decision to focus on that was a disaster. Specter is 80. My vote in the primary is a vote cast that with the hope he doesn't die in office while there is a GOP governor.

We would have had a primary between a rising star in Josh Shapiro and Joe Sestak. An energizing primary. Instead we are going to have a bitter awful accusatory fight between the second dirtiest player in the game, and a former admiral who is trying to build a pyramid.

[ProSense]

7. And you're still voting for Specter over Sestak. n/t

[AllentownJake]

10. I'm being pragmatic

I don't think Joe Sestak can win in an off election year in a statewide race, where the DNC gubernatorial candidate is going to be tarred with Ed Rendell's legacy last year.

[ProSense]

15. When you do it, it's pragmatism. When Obama, who is running a country, does it, he's selling out?

Got it. You have a soft spot for Specter.

[AllentownJake]

20. When I have the full force of the Federal Government, the apparatus of the DNC, etc

You can call me a sell out.

I'm just a poor schlub trying to make the best choice, handed down to me, by people who could give a flying fuck less what happens to me or anyone I care about.

[ProSense]

21. No, you have the freedom to act on your own. You don't have to build consensus.

You chose to support Specter.

[AllentownJake]

22. He votes for the bill

I'll vote Dorris Smith-Ribner.

[ProSense]

25. What makes you think Specter is not going to vote for the bill?

You can't be serious.

:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

26. He probably will

which means I'm voting Doris Smith-Ribner

[AllentownJake]

30. and before people go nuts

Doris Smith-Ribner is a democratic candidate for Senate.

[ProSense]

40. I don't think anyone is going to go nuts if you don't vote for Specter.

Still, you've been arguing that you're not going to vote for Stupak because he can't win. Can Doris Smith-Ribner win?

[AllentownJake]

41. I don't live in MI

[WeDidIt]

4. That's pretty much how I feel

Though if the Tea Party is taking votes awau from his GOP opponent, a left leaning third party could end up taking it all.

[EFerrari]

3. I wish everyone would take a deep breath tonight.

It can't hurt.

[Peregrine Took]

6. I heard that his old Democratic website used to state that he was a member

of the DLC but then he had the term scrubbed after began to contemplate running for the presidency.

[EFerrari]

8. When I looked into that, it turned out that the DLC claimed he was a member

and he had them scrub it. Not that that clarifies matters very much.

[VMI Dem]

9. I think he is a bigot and I voted for him.

We all have to do things we aren't proud of.

[Baltoman991]

14. A bigot?

Seriously? Now I can say I've read/seen/heard it all.

[VMI Dem]

17. Congrats.

Cheers!

[ProSense]

18. So you no longer support him? n/t

[VMI Dem]

19. I support some things. I don't support others.

I will donate no money. I may vote for a primary challenger. I may sit out the next Presidential election. It all depends on what happens between now and then.

[HuckleB]

11. It's Hyperbole December, don't you know?

[Oregone]

12. Shill shill shill

Obama is a grown up. He can carry his own water, already.

[ProSense]

13. Obama doesn't post here. You'd be amazed to know

that I come up with all this brilliant stuff on my own.

[Oregone]

16. "brilliant"?

[David Zephyr]

23. "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"

Your transparent attempt to bait one into a loyalty litmus test to your idol is sad.

[ProSense]

27. Smells like hyperbole or

cowardice.

[Clio the Leo]

24. And I dont understand why someone would so quickly distrust a man....

.... who they ferverently trusted and supported 13 months ago.

Unless they never really did!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXdyD2Yzls

Yeah, I know, I know ..... "marched both ways up hill in June in the Iowa snow."

[goldcanyonaz]

29. I campaigned for Hillary in that fucking snow, it sucked.

But, what sucked more was being dissed by my fellow Democrats on this forum.

[Clio the Leo]

32. Doesnt it though? NT

[goldcanyonaz]

28. It's so hard to keep up, is this a po Obama thread?

[Bluenorthwest]

31. I voted against McPalin

I never supported Donnie McClurkin's friend and Rick Warren's student. I just voted for the Democrat that was not McPalin. I thought he was one of the most cynical and vicious campaigners I'd ever seen, a bigot, meaner than he is smart, as well as something of an arrogant, shall we say 'prig'. Never liked him, never supported his 'no equality' positions nor his 'more war' positions, nor his 'let's forget Bushcrime' routine.
What do you mean by 'support'? He got a vote, like he asked, and some effort, all because of how bad Bush and the GOP were, not because he was in any way appealing.

[ProSense]

33. "one of the most cynical and vicious campaigners I'd ever seen, a bigot, meaner than he is smart"

Ah, so you're a party over principles voter?


Seriously, you're describing someone worst than McCain. If I felt that way, I'd have stayed home.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Nope, McCain and Palin far worse

But still, not impressed with the religious dogma stuff, the hate preachers, I found it all to be very nasty, and his opinions and those of his surrogates were decidedly bigoted against GLBT people. Vocally bigoted in many cases.
It is not up to you to judge whom I think is worse, or if I should cast a vote for a candidate, chum. I don't vote for racists like McCain either. McCain has been my personal enemy for years. Face to face style. Hate his guts.
So I voted against McPalin. But I most certainly did not and still do not support the use of divisive hate preachers who attack minority groups, and that vicious bigoted sort of politics, no matter who does it.
I'd have prefered any other Democrat to Obama and said so through the whole primary. Mostly because of his religious anti gay baggage.

[ProSense]

36. "So I voted against McPalin." Well, eyes open,

you got what you voted for.

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Yep

Not hearing me say I'm surprised. I was not fooled by him. To me he and Clinton were the same in virtually every way, except he was more homophobic and used nastier campaign tactics.
I took great offense at his bringing that religious divisive stuff into the Party. I complained about it from day one. When he was just one of many running. It was wrong, harmful, and unnecessary and to me, very Republican.

[Vattel]

35. just out of curiosity

why do you think he is a bigot?

[Bluenorthwest]

38. Because he opposes equal civil rights for all

and because he employed in his campaign some of the most invective spouting hate preachers in this country, including one who accused gay people of 'trying to kill our children' and Obama defended that sort of speech and those who use it against minorities they don't like, that is why. He says he holds these views because of his religion. But one would be hard pressed to find evidence of that faith in any of his actions other than his anti equality positions.

[rtassi]

37. His associations defined him right from the start ... If it looks like duck etc. nt

[Cha]

43. Yeah, they were handed a tough job and I support their efforts..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet/

[ind_thinker2]

42. He is worse but MacPalin were deep inside, i guess that means will vote but no support

Whats the point being president...