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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:13 PM
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President Obama’s top 5 broken campaign promises
"President Barack Obama came to office on a tide of voters eager to see a change in more than just the White House's occupant. Two years into his presidency -- and one day after he launched his 2012 reelection campaign -- and even some of his most ardent supporters are having trouble coming to terms with the answer to Sarah Palin's 2010 question: "How's that hopey, changey stuff working out?"

Polls show that less than half the country believes President Obama deserves reelection, with disaffected liberals now a fast growing demographic."

Even though Obama clearly leads all of the likely Republican front-runners at this point, the deep dissatisfaction brewing within his core constituency could make the president, and his whole party, uniquely vulnerable in next year's elections."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/05/the-top-five-camp... /

And for those too lazy to check:

1. Health Care for All

2. Close Guantanamo

3. Defend Labor Rights

4. Reform the Patriot Act
...(and Stop UnConstitutional invasions of USAmerican Citizen's Rights)

5. End the Wars
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:17 PM
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1. When was the last time all presidental camapign promises came to pass? nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:36 PM
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12. When was the last time nearly NONE of a pResident's campaign promises
came to pass...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:00 PM
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29. Politifact.com has 134 instances where he has been a clear alternative to the RW whackos thus far.
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 10:02 PM by ClarkUSA
They won a Pulitzer Prize for their reporting, so I trust them.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:35 AM
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71. Great Campaign Slogan
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:36 AM by ProudDad
"I'm better than right-wing wackos!"

Hmmm, too long for a button...

How about "I'm Not Palin" -- nice and short...

Or "Low Expectations are better than No Expectations!" <--- hmmm, too long again...

Well, I'm sure his PR people will figure out something hopey/changie...

Hell, he'll have a Billion Dollars of mostly corporate cash to spend...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:47 AM
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75. How about "Change, no really!" "Hope:This time it's not just for suckers"
..no that second one is too long...

How about 'Obama 2012: Meh' 'Obama 2012: Or else'

Even better one, Dean/Feingold 2012....
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:16 PM
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103. lol - thanks for the laughs (even though they hurt a little) n/t
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:26 PM
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97. The answer is every time
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 01:27 PM by mkultra
Fact check shows that while obama hasn't kept all his promises, he is doing far better than almost any president in history in terms of fulfilled promises. The only question is, where have you been not to know this.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obamet...
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:05 PM
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32. so I'll be expecting that anyone I have to vote for is lying
cynicism abounds
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:17 PM
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2. You're quoting an article that leads...
with a Palin quote? Priceless!

Unrecommended.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:24 PM
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5. And why not? Palin will use that bullshit in her campaign speeches.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:18 PM
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3. As I responded to the first post of this, I agree with all except Gtmo and
marching with the protesters.

He tried Gtmo, signed it into law or something, but it was stopped.

As POTUS, he can hardly just join the crowd outside the Capitol, nor can he get involved in a State's business.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:26 PM
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6. If he can't walk with the unions to defend collective bargaining..
..then why did he make the comment about "comfortable shoes"? :shrug:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:09 PM
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34. Uh, I don't know -- maybe because he believed it? Once you become POTUS
you can't do a whole slew of things that sound like a good idea before you actually don the mantle. If he was being political before, he's got to be MORE political now -- look at all the resistance he's getting.

I honestly believe if he weren't Prez he'd have been supporting them loudly.

He did say it was union busting, and I even thought that was pretty ballsy considering his position.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:20 PM
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:33 PM
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47. Thanks for your invaluable opinion. The fact that you equate the medical cannabis
issue with labor problems speaks volumes. I disagree with him on the cannabis. I don't disagree with him on Wisconsin. Lots of things he does doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not qualified to be President nor do I assume I know what running a country entails. If it's as simple as it seems to us out here, I think a lot more would have been accomplished.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:40 PM
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50. I compared the two because they both have to do with state issues.
And, both issues happen to be very important to me. Every time I ask why Obama didn't put on the comfortable shoes, I'm told it would be interfering with a state issue.

What "volumes" does it speak to make a parallel here? I'm not claiming my opinion is "invaluable", so lose the fucking snark, mm-kay? :smoke:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:47 PM
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52. I think the same is with the cannabis -- isn't that determined by the States?
And isn't it still against Federal Law? Which, I agree, is totally whack and he SHOULD be saying behind the scenes to back off until it becomes the law of the land. Frankly, I'm aghast at a lot of what Holder is doing. Who are these people?

The "volumes" is I was thinking you were mushing too issues into the same package that had no parallel, but now I see what you were getting at. I thought it was just "volumes" that since you don't like Obama, nothing he does can possibly be construed as right.

Okay - sorry for the snark.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:58 PM
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54. We're cool.
Another reason for the comparison is they are both issues he has made statements about, and then backed away from what he said.

It seems like someone else is actually telling Obama what his positions will be. Very sad.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:01 PM
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55. Gotta agree with that, too. nt
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:48 AM
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73. Good thing
he did not walk with WI union member as he promised. What excuse would he have given why it is ok for federal govt union workers not having any collective bargaining rights at all. A situation worse that Walker's bill.

I will add to the list

Giving I think 48hrs before presenting the bill and voting for it
Not interfering with State medical marijuana laws
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:21 AM
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99. Did they strike? no?
Care to repeat the original context?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:34 PM
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9. As POTUS, he can hardly just join the crowd outside the Capitol, nor can he get involved in a State'
Why the hell not?

Eisenhower sent in Federal Troops into Little Rock...

Lyndon Johnson (finally - after many dead) Protected the Selma March...

Obama promised to "put on his walking shoes" and defend unions -- I guess he lied...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:12 PM
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37. See my response above to Webster Green -- nobody was being killed, nobody
asked for protection (as in Little Rock), it's an entirely different situation. These were peaceful protests, and had it gotten violent, I've no doubt he would have intervened.

I don't think he lied, and I'm sorry if you do.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:02 AM
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62. I have serious doubts that he would have "intervened"
But it sure would have been nice if he'd said SOMETHING supportive of working people defending themselves...

Something HARSH against the forces of nullification in the Wisconsin Legislature or Governor's mansion would have been nice too...

He could have used the bully pulpit to defend working people...he didn't...

His major, deep pocket supporters wouldn't have liked that...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:38 PM
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14. As for Gitmo
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 09:39 PM by ProudDad
it's a symbol...

On balance, Obama has INCREASED the severity of the "War on Terra(tm)", especially the domestic components of it...

Rather than ratcheting it down, he's ratcheted it up!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:14 PM
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40. I said I agreed with all the other points, and agree he's done an about face
on the Patriot Act. Plenty of other disappointments, too, to be sure. But he made the attempt at Gtmo and he did it soon after he took office. That may have been his first lesson that what he wants and what he gets aren't necessarily the same.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:06 AM
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63. He did make a weak try...
Although even if he just wanted to look like he fulfilled a campaign promise there are plenty of other places in the world where he could have transferred the poor wretches scooped up in the "war on terra(tm)" and closed the damn place...

Or he could have transferred them to D.C. -- no state government to worry about -- and close the damn place...

I think he was just blowing smoke since I'm sure that it was just a campaign slogan and since he's also a "terra warrior", and made no secret of it, he wasn't serious...

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:03 PM
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85. He made a pledge to close it within a year
That's not a "weak try", it's a commitment with a deadline that carries a risk of seriously embarrassing yourself if you don't or can't meet it.

Congress voted to explicitly ban any funding for transferring prisoners from Guantanamo and it passed with 90 votes in the Senate. Transferring the prisoners would have required him to break the law in the same way that Ollie North did to send money to the Contras after Congress passed a law explicitly banning any funding from going to them.

Obama is far too supportive of using the military to fight "Al Qaeda" in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, etc. for my tastes, but he did legitimately try to close Guantanamo.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:21 PM
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4. How about for those too lazy to check how many times this has already been posted?
Because, pardon my French, that is really fucking lazy.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:39 PM
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15. Well, obviously since you didn't "get it" the first time...
Maybe repetition will work, eh, Bunky? :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:59 PM
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:31 PM
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7. LOL! You think healthcare for all is a broken promise
what a joke!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:35 PM
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11. If anything's a joke
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 10:01 PM by ProudDad
It's someone who can't read on an internet discussion board... :shrug:

It wasn't delivered...

Health Care for All

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:32 PM
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8. Not too lazy to unrec.
Don't pretend the whole copy/paste exercise=due diligence.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:35 PM
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10. kick
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:37 PM
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13. Deep dissatisfaction? Let the "core constituency" default the Republicans into the WH
we'll find out how dissatisfying THAT will be.

Unrec. Don't just bitch - suggest the alternative.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:41 PM
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16. I already have
In my sigline...

Just follow the little linky things...
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:42 PM
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17. On the Health care issue
What we got is as corporatist as it gets. It did not have to be that way.
The president never utilized his bully pulpit to push for a non-corporatist bill.

There is no legal restraints on premium hikes by for profit health insurance corporations (PHIC)
in the bill. Premium hikes as high as 57% have shown up. The corporations are
free to increase your premiums as high as necessary until their profit goals
are met. The law says they can't spend more than 15% on administrative expenses
but with no limit on premium hikes, that number has essentially no meaning.

Competition to PHIC's from across the state lines by other PHIC's is prohibited.
So each state has it's PHIC's operating as monopolies without outside competition.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:52 PM
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22. Hmmmm?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 09:54 PM by ProSense
"There is no legal restraints on premium hikes by for profit health insurance corporations (PHIC)
in the bill. Premium hikes as high as 57% have shown up. The corporations are
free to increase your premiums as high as necessary until their profit goals
are met. The law says they can't spend more than 15% on administrative expenses
but with no limit on premium hikes, that number has essentially no meaning."

Nonsense.

Facts

"What we got is as corporatist as it gets."


Tell that to California, Vermont and the teabaggers.

In fact, tell it to Bernie Sanders.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:29 PM
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44. Tell that nonsense to people whose premiums have
sky rocketed this year.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:32 PM
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45. Um
"Tell that nonsense to people whose premiums have sky rocketed this year."

What the hell does premium increases this year have to do with the health care law?




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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:48 PM
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56. Premium Increases are the natural byproduct of a for-profit Sick Care System
And Obama and the Dems just shoveled more hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars into the maw of the machine...

And they will raise premiums and raise them and raise them because they are ONLY ACCOUNTABLE to the Stock Market Manipulators -- NOT to people who need Health Care...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:43 PM
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18. So lame
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 09:43 PM by ProSense
it needs to be posted several times?

He broke a promise by delivering health care for 32 million more people (video)

Until Congress approves funds to close Guantanamo, the ball is in their court.

Oh yeah, where are his comfortable shoes?

Ending the wars: in progress.




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:50 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:54 PM
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23. Hmmmm?
Obviously, you didn't even click on the link to the video of Bernie Sanders.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:59 PM
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26. I've seen it...
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 09:59 PM by ProudDad
In fact, I probably saw it before you did since I've subscribed to his emails...

Above all else though, even Bernie Sanders knows what it takes to keep his job in a completely corrupt system...

He thinks he can make a change from within in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Good for him...

He can't, but good for him...
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:09 PM
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35. It's not posted for closed minds.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:51 PM
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21. All talk and no action... (n/t)
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:55 PM
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24. No, he "delivered" a mandate for another 30 million or so
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 09:55 PM by ProudDad
people to pay for USAMerican UNDERINSURANCE or else pay a fine...

He didn't do ANYTHING for the other 100 million un and underinsured...

And he did NOTHING about the for-profit Sick Care System except give them more billions in taxpayer dollars, a large share of which will be used to lobby AGAINST OUR OWN INTERESTS by the health insurance mafia and Big PhRMA...

Thanks a lot, Barr... Uh, Barack... :puke:

You need a refresher course in what ACTUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL LOOKS LIKE!

Sick Around the World
http://video.pbs.org/video/1050712790/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:20 AM
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:46 PM
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19. How many times is the misleading BS going to be posted? ENOUGH! n/t
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:57 PM
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25. It's not posted for closed minds
it's posted because it's true and needs to be repeated...

Cheers :hi:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:00 PM
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28. It is NOT true.
Most of what is on that list are not promises broken 'by' Obama.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:25 AM
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69. Ok then they were "suggestions"
about what he might do...

If he were really a Progressive...

Which he didn't really say he was, right?...

(Made with his fingers crossed behind his back)...

Glad we could clear that up... :rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:03 PM
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30. Wrong. Pres. Obama has already opened the door for states to enact single-payer & public option.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:50 PM
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57. After the barn has burned down...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:08 AM by ProudDad
Where the Fuck was he when Single-Payer or Medicare for All was taken off the table?

And, no he hasn't made it possible for states to pass single-payer...

They'll have to petition the (whoever POTUS IS) DHS dept for a waiver in order to institute single-payer... And I have my doubts that Obama's people would grant a waiver...

And his inevitable republican successor won't...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:05 PM
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31. Wrong again. Politifact.com says Pres. Obama's promise to close Gitmo has been "stalled" not broken.
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 10:05 PM by ClarkUSA
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:52 PM
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58. He could have closed it with the stroke of a pen...
And Gitmo's just a symbol...

The real crime of Obama is expanding bush's National Security State rather than curtailing it...
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:15 AM
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72. He did use the stroke of his fucking pen!!!
Is it closed now?

:wtf:

:crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:47 AM
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78. "He could have closed it with the stroke of a pen..." you really don't have a clue of what you're
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:47 AM by dionysus
talking about, do you? he ordered it closed, congress wouldn't fund it.

:rofl:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:03 PM
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84. Politifact is consistently full of shit.
It's not up to them to decide. Many of us can see for ourselves.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:08 PM
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33. Wrong for the third time. Pres. Obama ended the Iraq war & is on track to w/d troop from Afghanistan
He never promised to "end the wars" in general.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:53 PM
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:42 PM
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87. If Obama "ended" the war in Iraq
then why did I see on the local news the other night that more Minnesota National Guard members are getting ready to deploy over there?

Deciding he won't call them combat troops doesn't mean it's over - he's still risking a lot of lives and wasting a lot of money we don't have in Iraq. And the same is true in Afghanistan.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:11 PM
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36. #3 is bullshit too:"Obama Threatens Veto If Congress Strips Pro-Union Election Rules in FAA Bill"
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:26 PM
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42. #2 is bullshit too. Obama signed an Executive Order to close Gitmo ....
then Congress blocked it by defunding the moving of the detainees!

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:28 PM
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43. You're right. Politifact.com confirms this. See Reply #33
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:09 PM
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88. and #5 is crap as well
as he specifically said he would end the Iraq war, while ramping up operations in Afghanistan. The first is well along the way, as is the second - basically promises kept.

Personally, I'd have been happier if he ran on ending both wars, but that's not what he did.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:55 PM
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60. Get a grip
He's been INCREDIBLY silent on worker's rights...

And caved on a tax break for millionaires...

And still can't find his fucking walking shoes!!!

One minor crumb still doesn't make up for Larry Summers, Geitner, et al...

Not to mention his visit to the execrable U.S.C of C instead of the AFL/CIO...
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:12 PM
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38. He tried his best but the rethugs opposed him and even Dems
voted against health care for all. He wanted gitmo to close, stumbling block again by the rethugs. What do you want the President to do? Am all ears!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:33 PM
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46. Let the Gitmo prisoners go free
Let 'em walk.

If Congress doesn't like it...too bad.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:47 PM
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53. Most of those prisoners are not even liable, they got rounded up
by the US army and those poor souls have been in Gitmo for ever! Now their own people do not want them, such a sad story!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:48 AM
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79. "Let the Gitmo prisoners go free"
:rofl:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:59 AM
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80. Charge them or set them free. What's so bad about that? Let's see the evidence against them.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:00 PM by Cali_Democrat
Why hide the evidence?

The contention of many folks is that Congress is preventing Obama from closing the prison and charging the suspects in areal court of law.

If Congress prevents us from giving them due process and charging them in a court of law, they should be set free. They shouldn't continue top rot indefinitely in prison without due process and no charges. That's not justice.

This is no laughing matter. Peoples lives have been wasting away for over a decade and no charges have been filed against them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:12 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:34 PM
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48. For those who don't have a clue as to what the fuck Pres. Obama has done so far... see the facts -->
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:36 PM
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49. I am backing you all the way to the next election. You all have to get
the vote out. He is not a one-term President, he is the best!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:58 PM
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:19 AM
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66. Crumbs from the table
while the Plutocracy grabs all the silverware...
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:43 PM
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51. President Obama wanted to close Gitmo, guess who opposed him,
some demorats! It is all Obama's fault that you cannot get what you want!
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:12 AM
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64. Careful ProudDad, Stephen C. Webster is trying to make a fool of you.
Read #2. No mention of Congress' behavior. Why do you think this information was left out? The answer is to fool you. Keep you from making your own decisions from the actual facts.

Think what you will of President Obama, but let yourself be made a fool. Don't align yourself with those who want to deceive you.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:18 AM
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65. Oh, believe me, I don't leave the corporate-funded Congress off the hook
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:30 AM by ProudDad
The real point is that it's an entirely corrupt system...

That the Corporate-Funded Congress and the Corporate-Funded White House are a sham and we won't get any appreciable help from any of them...

And don't worry, I ALWAYS make up my own mind from the Facts and a sense of history...

But as Joe Hill said, "Don't Mourn, Organize!"
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:47 AM
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92. I would have believed it if you said "I ALWAYS
make up the Facts and a sense of history from my own mind."

:shrug:

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:08 PM
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93. Enjoy your stay in the "Frog Cooker(tm)" (n/t)
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:31 PM
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98. Finally made it around to Glenn Beck territory eh?
What a shocka....

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:21 AM
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68. President Obama will be re-elected, and the PL won't matter.
Obama 2012.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:29 AM
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70. Of course he will...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:33 AM by ProudDad
His corporate masters will see to that...

That's why he can say one thing and do another with impunity...

He's been too valuable to corporate USAmerica - ESPECIALLY his buddies on Wall Street -- both those on the street and the Wall Street in the White House that he harbors --

The best "republican" money can buy -- the best since Clinton...
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:17 AM
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74. If you thought Clinton wasn't liberal enough, why haven't you
started to build the awesome liberal candidate you seek?

Clinton was elected almost 20 years ago.

If you want a candidate that is more liberal than Clinton or Obama, you should get busy building one from the ground up. And I'd suggest you target 2016, you don't have enough time (or any serious liberal challengers) to do it by 2012.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:57 PM
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81. There already are plenty
But your corporate capitalist masters make sure that their policies and actions never reach the public consciousness...

The game is rigged, the fix is in...

And you're the sucker...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:49 AM
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76. Yup...and I was suckered by both the first time around...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:50 AM by truebrit71
...not the second time though...Interesting that both succeeded a Bush presidency...i guess those bastards made Clinton/Obama look more liberal than they really were..
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:45 AM
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77. then work to defeat him at all costs.
:nopity:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:07 PM
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82. Fail.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:35 PM
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83. Rec for truth.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:55 PM
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86. The real question is this
If candidate Obama broke the above 5 campaign promises as President essentially turning from Dr. Jeckyl into Mr. Hyde, what campaign promises would a re-elected President Obama break in 2012-2015?

My guess is that social security and medicare are on the block -

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:25 PM
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90. Hannah, I fear you're right.
It will come about in a dark, steamy 'bipartisan' orgy.

Why not screw the old people? Everybody else has gotten screwed and old people living mostly on Social Security usually don't have any money to contribute to political campaigns.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:26 AM
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91. Oh is this one of Hannah's puppets?
Thanks for the heads up.

:wtf:

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:11 PM
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94. "My guess is that social security and medicare are on the block"
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 01:11 PM by ProudDad
Bingo...

The basic reason is that at his core, Obama believes in the biggest capitalist myths (just like the republicans he's willing to pander to); that big business "creates jobs", "trickles down" value to the little people, that the "free Market" exists and is a good thing and that Corporate Capitalism is necessary...

All bullshit...

Therefore, his inclination is to pander to corporate power first against working people's interests...thinking he's "doing good"...
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:22 PM
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89. IF health care for all and ending the wars had happened, Obama would be unbeatable
and popular with the majority.

Health care for all paid for by ending the wars. Wouldn't that have been a winner?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:21 PM
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96. A winner all over the world...
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 01:22 PM by ProudDad
Stealing 25% of the resources of the world for 4% of the population...

Creating wars by being the number one arms merchant...

Then fighting wars against those to whom USAmerica sold arms...

(If they have any resources worth stealing for the 4%)...

Treating her own people like shit while shoveling more wealth toward the top 1%...

Treating her client state's people even worse...

That's why "they" hate us...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:12 PM
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95. HE WILL KILL US ALL LIKE LEX LUTHOR AND BRAINIAC
.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:25 PM
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100. This is getting tiring.......
Appears that poster is intent on making sure none of us ever wants to vote ever again.
What's the advantage in that, I wonder?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 08:34 PM
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101. Please, give it a rest, thanks.
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JustAmused Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:16 PM
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102. Mind if I add one?
He stated several times that he would work to end tax breaks for companies that outsource. Heard anything at all about that particular nugget???
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