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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:23 PM
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TPM - Pathetic (dem saying that Ryan is courageous)
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 08:07 PM by Mass
I have not seen Harball today, but here is what TPM posted. Who is the moron who spoke?


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/04/truly...


Truly Pathetic
Josh Marshall | April 4, 2011, 5:44PM
Why on earth did the Democrat speaking for the Democrats just now on Hardball say it was "courageous" but "politically stupid" for Paul Ryan to put up a plan to abolish Medicare and other federal social programs? That's the best he can do? "Courageous"? That's simply amazing. If ordinary people who look forward to being able to rely on Medicare once they retire can't even get advocates who don't think it's "courageous" to try to abolish Medicare, why are Democrats even in this game?

You can respect people's contrary opinions. But presumably it's wrong to abolish Medicare because it's wrong. And that Dems are the party who believes it's wrong.

It's a separate matter that so many people are creating this cult about Paul Ryan that he's some sort of visionary leader when he's just putting forward policies that the right of the GOP has been advocating for decades. But really, even the Democrats think that this is "courageous"? I guess in a way it was courageous for the Delaware GOP to run Christine O'Donnell.

Has this guy even understood what the policy is? How courageous would it be to abolish Social Security. Sometimes things are politically risky because they're profoundly bad ideas.

Simply amazing.


A position that is wrong is never courageous.... That one should be easy..
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:46 PM
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1. How is it courageous to propose extending the bush tax cuts for the rich?
Because that is what he is doing, at the expense of anyone under 55 now.

"Oh how courageous- he's trying to help the Wealthy!" :puke:
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:07 PM
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3. Was he
being sarcastic?


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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:06 PM
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2. It's sort of like saying Hitler was courageous.
I wonder whether the "Democratic" pundits on tv are actual card carrying Democrats, or if they are assclowns like Lanny Davis.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:31 PM
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4. Dem Steve McMahon was on with Republican Todd Harris today.
I was not listening to them, but I often get pissed with what comes out of McMahon's mouth.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:14 PM
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5. What these pols don't seem to get
is that we hire them to figure out ways we can afford it all, not how to throw it all out.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:00 PM
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6. Because he has shit for brains?
I didn't see the show. Anybody have the name of that particular Democrat?
I'd like to have a word with him.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 06:50 AM
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7. I don't know. Dooming the elderly to premature deaths is pretty courageous.
I sure couldn't do it.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 07:10 AM
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8. No....
Going out in front of the world and proposing to kill two most popular social programs ever DOES take balls. But, having balls doesn't mean it has to be right or smart. At least the mystery Dem had the sense to say Ryan's proposal is "politically stupid", which is a gross understatement, actually.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:15 AM
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9. It was Steve McMahon. TPN has now posted a video link.
McMahonMentum Storms Washington!
Josh Marshall
April 5, 2011, 9:43AM

Yesterday, I told you about the Dem strategist who went on Hardball and somehow managed to laud Rep. Ryan's plan to abolish Medicare as "courageous" if also "political stupid". Well, now we have the video of Dem strategist Steve McMahon. Check it out after the jump ...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/04/mcmah...

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 11:37 AM
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10. Well...
in a sense I agree that it is "couragous but politically stupid". I don't think that Ryan is a know-nothing moron like so many others, I think he is a financial taliban. He probably truly believs in these ideas, and is smart enough to realize the political risk, so in that sense it IS couragous IMHO. Also outrageous and disgusting.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 11:55 AM
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11. I dont think it is courageous at all. He is actually going where the Tea Party wants to go, without
any consideration of what is good or bad. Nothing courageous there. I also think that his intellect is largely overevaluated.

In addition, even if it was courageous, it is very bad for the dems to say so. If we dont learn, welcome to president Romney or even more.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 12:06 PM
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13. I definitely agree with the "dems whould not say it" part n/t
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 11:59 AM
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12. Well let's compromise and call him courageously stupid.
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