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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:16 PM
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Ed Shultz and his side kick bashing Obama on his reelection pitch
There complaining about him not speaking of the middle class in his video.Ed says its a soft sell
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:23 PM
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1. The Advisors around Obama do not serve him well. They keep
him appearing aloof and disengaged. Just the other
day I heard a reporter from UK just come out and
say he did not believe Obama would run for a
second term because he appears so unhappy in his
job. His point was Obama always appears disengaged.

I think the WH Advisors think keeping him above
the fray is best. Sometimes being above the fray
is interpreted as being out of touch.

If they think being for the middle class, working class
is a bit too populist, God Help them.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:26 PM
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2. "Bashing" is the term republicans used to diminish the complaints against Bush
Obama has earned the criticism all on his own. He's been a huge disappointment in a time where we can least afford it.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:36 PM
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4. But we are at WAR nt
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:53 PM
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5. Obama has delivered more than we could have otherwise expected, so rejoice in him.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:12 PM
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7. Obama has delivered a boondogle to the insurance companies and an open money
spigot to the very banks that destroyed our economy, without a single person going to jail.

There's nothing to rejoice about.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 03:17 PM
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13. LOL! N/T.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:40 PM
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3. David Ploufe is still there, right?..n/t
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DemocratAholic Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:56 PM
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6. he may not perceive it to be in his interest
Obama started out the last election in a campaign against Hillary Clinton. He tapped into all the disappointment from the "left" side of the party, and the disappointment they felt toward Democrats capitulating to Bush. Hence the "Bush-Cheney light" comments. Then 2008 general election was pretty much a referendum on Bush, and a reaction to a tanking economy. Obama deserves credit for running a good campaign under those circumstances, he positioned himself well as the "anti-Bush" candidate. But any Democrat could and should have won that election.

I'm assuming Obama figured that strategy wasn't going to work for his re-election. Probably correctly so, considering the very short memory American voters have. It was amazing how quickly people forgot who actually created the huge deficits, and the economic meltdown, and started to blame Obama.

This was a very strange dilemma he was in. Moving from that 2008 campaign, into the presidency, and into re-election mode. He immediately started trying to position himself as being "above the fray." Inviting an anti-gay pastor to speak at his inauguration. Allowing Republicans and conservative Democrats to write the health care reform legislation...and the list goes on. I guess he was trying to portray himself as a centrist, hoping independents would see him as Clintonesque.

Meanwhile, he has disappointed a great number of progressive Democrats. Even in the situation he is now facing, with this crazy tea party and their crazy birther and Muslim accusations, the inspired left is not rushing to his defense.

I think perhaps the reason that Obama is not rushing into supporting "workers' rights" and the attacks on collective bargaining, he doesn't really perceive these folks as being his "supporters." Who does he see as being his supporters? I think someone like Rahm Emanuel, who has extreme loyalty to the man...and doesn't really have any political ideology.

Perhaps there has been a bit of paranoia on the part of Obama? Maybe he so feared a primary campaign from the left, that he sought to ignore and marginalize any vision coming from the left? This strategy may work to get him re-elected. It does not bode well for the party as a whole though, as there is no vision coming from the top of the ticket.

I would add that any Democrat has reason to be suspect of union support. Many unions will switch allegiances in a heart beat, particularly public sector unions who rely on politicians to determine their wages. I have seen a number of occasions where supposedly Democratic leaning unions have supported Republican candidates.

Presidential elections in the USA ultimately come down to "independents." They are not particularly well-informed, and often have positions that are right and left. Without the kind of anti-Bush sentiment that existed in the last election, Obama is going to find a way to appeal to those people. People are not going to vote for him based on the wonderful economic situation.

It is a very difficult political dilemma trying to formulate a strategy under these circumstances. One thing that is clear to me is that Obama is only thinking about his own re-election, not a vision for the party as a whole. You might argue that what is good for Obama personally may not be good for the party as a whole.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:24 PM
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8. Was he referring to the campaign video on his website?
If so I'd have to agree.

A lot of it seemed almost defensive, with is the same old excuses stated by attractive people. A variation of "What did you dopes expect, miracles?"

Talks about a "turning point" election, but no mention of where the possible roads lead to.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:37 PM
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11. My Facebook page has been overrun by one person who keeps sending a link to the Obama website
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 11:37 PM by dflprincess
It starts out with

"X is IN"


"Ask your friends to join the campaign

The 2012 campaign is just getting started -- and it will belong to us. With our ideas, our inspiration, and our hard work, we can continue to build a better America together.."


I finally stopped getting copied when I asked "Building a better America for whom? Continuing the Bush policy of endless war and slashing what remains of an already inadequate safety net will not "build a better America" for lower 99% of Americans"

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:45 PM
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9. Ed's an idiot who is going to lose his show on MSNBC due to lack of viewership!!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:54 PM
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10. Keep telling us how great it all sounds, keep telling us how strong Obama sounds
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 10:54 PM by CreekDog
maybe if you keep saying it, we'll finally believe it.

but i'd like to believe it without encouragement.

i'd simply like Obama to draw clear distinction in these debates.

one of the top Republicans just announced a budget plan to end Medicare as we know it.

when Health Care Reform didn't propose ending Medicare, the Republicans made it into an issue that worked against us.

when Republicans actually *do* propose ending Medicare, why can't we make an issue of it?

because Obama won't. dammit.

stand up man!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 03:09 PM
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12. Ah, CreekDog, he's just "keepin' it cool."
So you know, chill the fuck out. He's got this.

:sarcasm:

:hi:

Bake
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Life Long Liberal Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 04:08 PM
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14. He just seemed to dislike the first video to me. Wanted it to sound more positive.
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