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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:20 PM
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Boy did Fox News Fuck Up

Clicking through the news channels and Fox was having their in house legal expert comment on bringing prosecutions to New York. Despite all the baiting by the fill in host he absolutely decimated all the arguments against bringing them here.

His name is Arthur Aidala and it will be interesting to see where he ends up after destroying Fox's talking points

1) Federal Prosecuters have a 99% conviction rate. New York has the cream of the crop. If the career prosecutors have looked at this and are on board bringing this to New York that means that they have a ton of 'untainted' evidence.

2) The security arrangements in New York are the best. The Marshals and Court Security have had many other high profile cases and they will have no problems handling it.

3) The jury pool will not work for the defendents advantage.

4) They have experience Federal Judges that will not allow it to become a propganda affair.

After he destroyed the idiot host in detail Aidala was asked wasn't there a few 'loose cannon' judges around that might be outmanouvered?

Aidala looked at him and said with a firm voice, "I practice in New York and there are no 'loose cannon' federal judges. These guys are going to get a fair trial. They are going to be found guilty on the basis of evidence and then I hope we don't execute them because that's what they want'. I hope that we put them in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives - that would be real torture for people who think they are missing paradise."

He was better than any of the guys on CNN or MSNBC - Fox really screwed that one up, who is the producer in charge of vetting the guests?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:22 PM
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1. Nobody deserves it more! nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:22 PM
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2. It's not too difficult these days to have guys better than MSNBC or CNN. I've
given up on both of them, read here and watch my local news...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:03 AM
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35. I think you're wrong on MSNBC. Look at Maddow, Schuster..........
..........Lawrence O'Donnell and contributors like Eugene Robinson, Howard Fineman and Clarence Paige. It ain't perfect, but what is? It's a hell of a lot better than when they dumped Donahue and were trying to imitate Fox back in 2002-4. Back then everybody referred to them as "MSGOP". I'm not cheerleading here, but WHEN I watch socio/political stuff on TV, I usually watch C-span, MSNBC or PBS usually. I'll watch Fox just to keep up with what insanity is going on with the "dark siders".
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:43 AM
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37. You're really missing out.
Check out "Democracy Now", Free Speech T.V., Link
T.V., Grit T.V. ...the progressive independents, if you want
to hear the truth that the corporate "media" will
not tell. On Democracy Now, two days ago, I learned how our
government is paying the Taliban in Afghanistan so Afghan
"private contractors" (owned by the Afghan
president and the Afghan Defense Secretary's sons[convicted
in N.Y. on heroin distribution charges]) to allow them to
safely truck supplies to our troops, so they can fight and
kill each other. You'd never hear that on  corporate
"news." Go to "democracynow.org" to see
the story, it is unbelievable, but well documented.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:53 AM
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41. Oops!!!!!!! I forgot all about Link and FSTV. I watch them both also.................
.........Amy Goodman is the "best" journalist on TV in my opinion. thx for reminding me.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:20 PM
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50. Thanks for the reminder...Amy Goodman/Democracy Now.:) n/t
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:15 AM
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40. Maddow did well on the topic.
She had Michael Isikoff on and reported on it very well. She is no empty suit news reader.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:23 PM
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3. New York seems to be an appropriate locale to me.
If any city can handle it, it will be New York! It's handled everything thrown at it so far, and it still thrives!!
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Laf.La.Dem. Donating Member (924 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:23 PM
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4. FAUX fucks up!!
I think that is the first and only time FAUX ever fucked up :spank:
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:33 PM
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17. Yep, and that's why it is also called Fux News. LOL
They've been fucking up since the beginning of time.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:24 PM
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5. These trials should be efficient, expedient, result in convictions and life sentences.
With the clear message being that if you conspire to kill Americans, you will get no glory, and you will spend the rest of your life in an orange jumpsuit eating bologna sandwiches.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:25 PM
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6. The irony
The irony is that the lawyers for these defendants probably agree with Fox and would not want their clients cases tried in NYC either. I'd be unsurprised if they filed for a change of venue, arguing that they cannot get a fair trial in NYC, given that it was the epicenter of 9/11.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:49 PM
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45. Isn't another irony that Fox was not upset that a trial has not occurred for the last 8 years
But now they are all of a sudden in an uproar. Nobody seems to bring up the topic that this trial had not happened during the whole time that the Repuglicans were in power.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:37 PM
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7. Using "Fox" and "News" in the same sentence is an oxymoron!!
Hold their feet to the fire, grantcart!!

Good points, as always.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:19 PM
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18. I prefer "Faux Spews", myself.
It succinctly describes the lies which they vomit.
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:37 AM
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30. I prefer to use Olbermanns lable: "Cluster Faux".
Sounds much better too.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:00 PM
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47. They're a lesson for our younger generation. We listen to them sometimes on
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 02:01 PM by eagertolearn
XM radio on long trips (when we are very bored) so that our teenagers can see how they present the news (lies). Because of fox (and some of the kids they go to school with) they've learned so much about the type of people in the republican party. I have tried not to force my beliefs on my kids but to expose them to many beliefs so they can form their own. All three are liberal but my son also has some conservative sides to him (pointed out by his conservative teachers as he discusses topics with them). I love that they have learned about all sides of an issue and can see through the bull. Example my daughter (17) saw a letter the NRA sent us trying to get my husband to join and I always send it back explaining why we would never join (then they have to pay the postal fee). She picked up the letter (propaganda) and read it and just started laughing "Is this for real? This is so hilarious. You're saving this right?". I love that she is interested in reading it and that she can see right through it. Why can't adults do the same?
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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:43 PM
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19. How about this:...
If Fox has ever done anything in a fair and balanced way, it's news to me.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:39 PM
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8. Good.
Idiots trying to control the news deserve what they get.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:39 PM
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9. Go Cuomo!!! I used to watch Oz---solitary ain't fun. Plus in NYC---Rikers is terrifying.
I love Cuomo----he's the best DA we got.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:02 PM
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22. This is Federal Court
I don't think Cuomo or Rikers are in the future for these POS's.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:51 PM
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10. He is part of Fox
"Arthur L. Aidala (born 1967 in Brooklyn, New York), currently a New York City defense lawyer and legal analyst on Fox News Channel where he appears on various day and prime time programs."

LOL
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:06 PM
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48. Then this guy is probably going to be let go for messing with their propaganda puppy.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 03:08 PM
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11. One of the arguments is that a New York jury would be soft on terrorists?
:wtf:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:25 PM
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51. This is what Rumsfeld said in the early days after 9-11 as a reason for going to war immediately
after the cause for going to war was being defended - when trying to get approval. No one complained or objected. A slur on the citizens of this country and a slight to the judicial system.

(Which reminds me - when is Obama going to clean up the Attorney General group loyal to the baron agenda brought to us through Rove/Bush and team that Pat Robertson sent them.

The question still needs to be answered = Why was an adviser to the President put in charge of firing AG's in this country. This is one of their jokes on humanity that Cheney didn't seem to be involved in. Cheney - foreign and corporate deals. Bush - some domestic deals - definitely not 9/11.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 03:13 PM
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12. Fowned
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 03:15 PM
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13. I'm A 9/11 Survivor And Cowardly Repubs Need To STFU About This
The scumbags responsible for 9/11 deserve a fair trial and this New Yorker welcomes the chance to get them before a judge and see them convicted for their crimes.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:37 AM
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33. republicans are apparently terrified of *everything*.
I've never seen such a bunch of bed-wetting crybabies. Fear, fear, fear, and nothing else. Cowardly scaredy-cats, all of them. This is not how Americans behave. Bah!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:37 PM
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52. Rush blurted out the real fear on his show
What would come out in trial about the Bush Administration's misdeeds.


What a doofus!

Repugs are always doing this. Getting all excited and projecting and giving away their real motives and tactics. That's how we all know they REALLY aren't concerned about Socialism or the troops or whether justice is served according to our laws.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 06:54 PM
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14. Thanks for the relay, grant..
For those of us who don't watch faux but are glad you did at this particular time.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:20 PM
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15. K&R
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:53 PM
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16. Do you know who the host was? Show?
Would love to see that.

:evilgrin:

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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:57 AM
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29. I saw the segment and think his name is Bret Baier.
He is an annoying little turd. His mannerisms and vocal modulation are similar to O'Leilly's. Old Falafel-Head must be his idol.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:01 PM
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20. 99% conviction rate,going to get a fair trial.going to be found guilty on basis of evidence
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 10:03 PM by Algorem
wow.

do we charge their family for the bullet we shoot them with?
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:16 AM
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24. He's an analyst...he's getting paid for his opinion as much as his knowledge.
It's not inappropriate for him to express that opinion as long as it's clear that it is his opinion as indicated by his identification as an analyst; to whit, one who provides analysis.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:32 PM
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43. Somebody didn't vet the guest properly before he went on the air
great stuff
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:27 PM
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21. Some real stinky thinkin' goin on here
"should be found guilty" - No one on this site has any idea what the evidence is, yet they are "sure" these guys are guilty.


"held in solitary confinement forever" - constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, by any measurement.

Everyone is just salivating for revenge. Revenge isn't and shouldn't be an element of the process.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:24 AM
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27. "They are going to be found guilty on the basis of evidence" is exactly what a prosecutor would say.
Such convicts are kept in solitary confinement for their own protection because there would surely be many of their fellow prisoners who would delight in taking revenge upon them by killing them and making a name for themselves.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:11 AM
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32. Federal prosecutors don't take cases to trial that they aren't going to win
No we don't know what the untainted evidence is. But we know they have it or they wouldn't take this to trial.
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:07 AM
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39. Baloney
It's the prosecutor's job to "sell" his version of events. Just as it's the defenses' job to sell theirs. Neither is proven until it's over.

By this standard we could just do away with trials. Apparently you believe that someone must be guilty because they are charged, because the prosecutor never lies or make mistakes.

Federal prosecutors can and do lose trials.

We require trials exactly because of what's going on here: a mob sentiment that the accused should be hung.

I expect more from good democrats.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:51 PM
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46. The feds have an over 90% conviction rate
Yes federal prosecutors can and do lose trials, but not very often. I'm not saying I'm certain he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I am saying that if they are taking the case to trial they have substantial untainted evidence.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:39 PM
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23. Such a bizarre disconnect
One thing that has struck me--almost from the beginning of the Post-9/11 world--was how much Republicans and those in the "Heartland" saw THEMSELVES as the victims of 9/11. If they thought about New Yorkers at all, it was almost as if to blame them for somehow being complicit because, well, because they didn't hate Muslims enough or something?


They made all their paint-by-the-numbers pictures of crying Statues of Liberty, but had no compassion or empathy for the city of the attack.

Remember the Republican Convention, staged and timed to capitalize on 9/11 hysteria? But conventioneers were given warning pamphlets about what a horrible, dirty, crime-ladden city it was.

I remember Jon Stewart quoting some Republican during the election--something about New York going Democratic because New Yorkers just didn't understand the seriousness of the terrorist threat. The concept of "New York" being a victim of the attacks, rather than Podunk Idaho or wherever, was just not operative.

Anyway, same thing here. The city where the crime was committed is just too namby-pamby liberal to try the criminals correctly. Only Real Merkins in Real Merkin states have the right stuff to try the people who attacked . . . New York.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:19 AM
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25. Thank goodness I don't have faux news here in Canada. I unsubcribed to
that news channel. It is sick. Even CNN most days with that old guy (Larry effing King) is unnerving and Nancy Grace, holy shit, I need ear plugs!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:20 AM
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26. K&r!!!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:54 AM
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28. Hell, the federal courts are probably packed with Bush appointees
If anybody can get those guys convicted, it's them!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:31 PM
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44. Are you kidding?
Any prosecutor around--Bush appointee, Clinton appointee, Obama appointee--could get a conviction on KSM. It'll be like the trial scene in Idiocracy, where the "chief J" will rip off his robe, point at KSM, and yell "Whatever, man. The guy's guilty as shit. We all know that."

But the Fox "News" legal correspondent is right: these guys really want their one night of rehabilitation, so it's better if we just sentence them to life and be done with it. The best thing would be to build a smallish prison, one with maybe 100 beds, and throw all the convicted terrorists in it. As long as they have no contact with the outside world, they can't hurt anything--and there won't be non-terrorists in there with them waiting to shank them for destroying the WTC.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:06 AM
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31. The vetter may have been the same person that the McCain campaign
used to vet Sarah Palin.
Oh, that's right ... they didn't vet her.

********
And how nice to see Faux Noise get screwed!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:44 PM
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53. Oh, that's right ... they didn't vet her.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 02:44 PM by AlbertCat
Yes they did! And tried to charge her for it!


It's all in her book!



:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:44 AM
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34. Is there no video of this?! nt
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:14 AM
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36. I can't believe they didn't use the talking point "It was an act of War!"
Seems David Brooks and Monica Crowley dragged that out, word for word, to explain why these guys shouldn't get a trial.
It wasn't a crime, they say, it was an act of War!
What's happening to the reich wing unity? Where's Rove? Is this the end of the world as we know it?
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:47 PM
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54. Is this the end of the world as we know it?
That's not til 2012....December I think.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:57 AM
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38. Amazing how the truth slips out sometimes, isn't it?
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plantwomyn Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:34 AM
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42. The biggest reason that the Repugs
don't want them tried anywhere in the u.s. is that if and when they are convicted it will prove that they should have been tried here long ago and there never was a need for Gitmo. It's not like the evidence has changed now is it? How dare Obama prove that the Federal Justice system works!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:16 PM
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49. This posting is important for several reasons.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 02:17 PM by peacetalksforall
To observe the contrast between a Fox propaganda clown and a serious and educated legal expert who stood up. No giggle, no stepping back, no milquetoast answer. He did not take on the role of a mr. meek as happens so often because the guest wants to be called back.

To observe how Fox is master of propaganda innuendo - referring to Federal Court judges as 'loose cannons. Planting thought in the minds of their lemmings.

To observe how a list of reasons can be presented for the good of the public. Point 1, point 2, etc. Rarely done. The counter parties amble and get off track. You wait for the next point and in a flash, they are interrupted and someone talks simultaneously - on purpose.

What I don't get is why FOX hired this guy.

I'm thrilled that this is coming to the U.S.

I will not join the parade for the death penalty. We always learn more when they stay alive, if proven guilty. We may get a case that doesn't look like the case that most people expect.

Thanks for posting. I never watch Fox, but I follow this type of story.
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