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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:13 PM
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My god, what a statement by Obama
Tears, just tears.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:14 PM
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1. Yeah he's a real wordsmith.
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 03:22 PM by craigmatic
It's impossible to tell how much of this is his doing right now. I wish We had these kinds of movements here.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:17 PM
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4. He's more than a "real wordsmith." He worked hard behind the scenes to help make this happen. n/t
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:19 PM
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9. I'm not sure about that. We won't really know the full extent of US involvement until after he's out
of office for a few years.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:26 PM
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13. Then you're not watching TV. They've been reporting all day what's been going on
behind the scenes with this admin. and what they were doing in communicating with the Egyptian military.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:46 PM
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21. OK, next crisis we'll make sure he informs you and Sarah Palin what behind-the-scenes ...
diplomatic efforts the government is involved in. You're at least as qualified as she is, and apparently just as miffed at being kept out of the loop.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:54 PM
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41. Who said I was miffed? I just said the obvious- we still don't know what went on in past
administrations in terms of diplomacy. If that offends you then maybe you're the one miffed.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:45 AM
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56. Not to mention, if there was much involvement - more than is apparent ,
it is imperative that the US not speak of it or claim credit. What is most impressive is that this was a grassroots Egyptian effort. It is because it was organic that it has any long term strength and credibility.

I hope that our actions were JUST what was obvious - words praising the non-violent and massive nature of the protest, calls public and private to Mubarak and others not to attack violently and possibly (privately) the judicious use of the threat to reduce or eliminate foreign aid if they did.

I went to an Egyptian rally in NYC Saturday, one source of intense pride was that this was something the Egyptian people did.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:11 PM
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29. Not likely.
Early on he appeared to be working behind the scenes to undermine the protests and keep Mubarak in power. Later he supported the puppet Suleiman.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:31 PM
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33. It's not only likely, it's a FACT. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:41 PM
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34. Yes indeed. nt
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 05:01 PM by AtomicKitten
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:20 PM
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40. Back it up with substanial links, then. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:08 PM
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42. I've been watching MSNBC all day. Mike Viquiera, Chuck Todd, and others,
reported that Obama had Sec. Gates talk with the Egyptian military to get on the side of the protesters last night after Mubarak's speech. They also reported that Biden spoke very sternly to Sulieman regarding his troubling statements he'd made. And we all know about Obama's strong statement he sent out last night.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:37 PM
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49. The Television said it !
Must be true.
LOL
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:53 AM
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57. That was at the tail end of this incredible event
It is great that the US pressured a government, that we supported with billions for three decades, to accept the will of their people. And, our help at the end, might make up to the people in Egypt for all the tear gas canisters saying "Made in the USA" - who said we have no manufacturing?

The point is that the Obama administration chose the moment when their support was useful to the people and did the right thing. The transition will still be tricky and the US will likely be useful at various points to push free elections after there is time to set up new parties.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:20 PM
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39. No, he did not
you have no evidence of that.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:20 AM
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47. I believe that as well...
good leader delegates, a great leader works behind the scenes and does not seek to claim credit for what others have done.

Classic comparison is the differences between Eisenhower and MacArthur. Both were smart enough to surround themselves with excellent staffs that continually worked behind the scenes to get things done. Eisenhower delegated authority, but didn't seek out honor or glory, he never relinquished responsibility. MacArthur on the other hand was an egotist, that claimed responsibility for the plusses and passed on his own failures as the failures of others.

I think that PO is more of an Eisenhower than a MacArthur, much more.

We didn't know what was going on behind the scenes during the Cuban Missile Crisis, but both sides worked feverishly behind the scenes to stop the aggression. That's the way it is, and should be. Kennedy got a lot of credit for what others did. But w/o one unnamed aide that remains anonymous, who knew Khrushchev's habits, telling the JFK Administration that Khrushchev, "needs a way out that will save face", we could have been cast into a nuclear exchange.

99% of the time, it's the people we never see or hear about that effect a positive, (or negative), outcome.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:20 PM
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:15 PM
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2. Very moving. I choked up, too. n/t
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:15 PM
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3. 5 recs and nothing said.
:shrug:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:19 PM
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7. Words are times limiting in times like this. n/t
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:27 PM
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14. So you recommend. . . nothing?
I can see recommending a post that says something, but there's no there there.





Oh, I get it.



TG
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:18 PM
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5. Ditto. That's my President. Shit...when I think about the possibilty of McCain or Palin.
It's about Obama.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:19 PM
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6. I feel silly, but
I kept thinking "that's my boy!" :-)
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:22 PM
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11. Me too. You could see on his face that this is exactly why he run for this office
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:31 PM
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15. To make a pretty speech after others have done the hard work?
..not sure I get your point
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:37 PM
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:44 PM
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18. Uh, he's the President. Is he not allowed to speak for the United States?
Last time I checked, it is kinda what the President of the United States does.
If he didn't make a speech, people would be scratching their heads as to why.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:44 PM
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19. You REALLY think that
he was twiddling his thumbs these last couple of weeks? Really?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:46 PM
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22. Well he sure as hell didn't know what was going on on the ground did he?
..
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:48 PM
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24. I don't even know what you mean... n/t
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:04 PM
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28. He didn't appear to have any decent or accurate intel as to what the situation on the ground...
...actually was...

That's what i meant..
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:19 PM
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8. Indeed
I hope we do everything we can to help the New Egypt find its legs.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:25 PM
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12. In Egypt the moral force of nonviolence bent the arc of history
towards justice once more."

The President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama


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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:46 PM
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20. That arc of history
quote gets me every time. Today it was particulalrly poignant.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:42 PM
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17. Perhaps this is what they foresaw when they nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize - starting with
a speech in Cairo less than 2 years ago.

And now Algiers is scheduling pro-democracy protests.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:48 PM
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25. ..apart from that whole escalation of war in Afghanistan and drone-killing episodes things..
...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:54 PM
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:19 PM
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38. And pushing cuts that would allow the poor to freeze to death.
Whenever people swoon over a leader's speech instead of paying attention to their actions BIG problems arise.

If Obama supported the revolution, he would have said so FROM THE BEGINNING.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:32 AM
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44. I hadn't thought of that, but it does ring true
Peace, justice, dignity - there was a time when the US stood for those, and I think Obama has personally had some effect on bringing it back around again. Let us hope the decision of the Nobel committee will be fully vindicated by events in the world to come.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:47 PM
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23. What they say over there
from the Guardian's blog:

8.18pm GMT: NBC's Richard Engel, who has done a brilliant job reporting from Egypt, gets the reaction to Obama's words live from Tahrir Square, where he is mobbed by young men chanting Obama's name and "We love America!"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:54 PM
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:13 PM
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30. What did he say?
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:14 PM
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31. Nevermind
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:55 AM
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45. Wow.
I'm moved - just reading the words.

On top of the joy I've been feeling all day, I now feel humbled and somewhat awestruck.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:42 PM
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35. Anyone have a link?. I missed his remarks.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:46 PM
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36. I think this is it on the front page of the White House website
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 04:47 PM by Beaverhausen
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:03 PM
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37. He is so cool
:)
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:55 PM
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43. lots of purty purty words
so what, transcripts of W various speeches had some purty words in them too. Talk is cheap, action.....?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:07 AM
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:38 AM
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48. excellent point. should we hear about u.s. involvement in enabling mubarak....
....or covert actions in other areas of the mideast or elsewhere for that matter? purty words indeed.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:26 PM
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52. many had no idea Egypt was suckling on the National teat of the U.S.
now they do, there's some 'welfare' cuts to be considered.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:06 PM
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51. I heard wonderful rhetoric from him in his campaign speeches.
And lots of promises. In the immortal words of Marlon Brando in "One Eyed Jacks", "Talk is cheap Jack - make your play!"
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:35 AM
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55. Yes, but these words were in the right order. N.T.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:44 PM
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50. Then why not support the emerging democracies in South & Central America?
Instead, his administration is supporting right wing oligarchs and Police (Narco) States, like Uribe in Colombia.

The "words" should apply to all peoples.

Viva Democracy!
and open, fair, transparent, verifiable elections
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:34 PM
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53. How about links?
Some of us haven't been near a TV today. :)
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:11 AM
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54. Meanwhile back in reality...
...the US apparently spent quite a bit of time and energy backing Suleiman's takeover of the government before Mubarak threw in the towel. Suleiman likes to personally torture Egyptian prisoners. Impressive political instincts there, Obama et al.

Obama's speech, if given by GWB in similar circumstances, would have been referred to as "all hat and no cattle."
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