Who would you vote for if you knew what you know now?

[txlibdem]

Poll question: Who would you vote for if you knew what you know now?

Here's a poll for ya folks. Pres. Obama claimed that he "studied" FDR and everyone says he's playing "11-dimensional chess" with politics. So how come he has a record of instituting Republican policies? Would you vote for Obama again if he was running for a 2nd term? Or would you yearn for Bubba? Or Hillary? Or someone else?

Let's take an unscientific poll:

[RandomThoughts]

1. I was told this situation would occur during the primary.

So I still think it is the better outcome.

Do you really think Hillary would have been a better way to correct beer and travel money? Although been trying to think of more 'out there' options, since the beer and travel money has not been corrected in this situation either.

[gateley]

2. Obama. You didn't offer Biden -- that would have been a much harder decision. nt

[txlibdem]

3. I'm sorry. They're conjoined twins as far as I can see, no separating them

eom

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Nonsense. Biden was running against Obama long after others

dropped out. Biden had also run for President previous to the nation knowing Obama at all. The 'conjoined twins' bit is a cop out deluxe. Huge, giant, and fitting for a poll that lumps Bill and Hillary into one place, although she was Obama's closest rival and Bill was not in the race at all. Do you see all women as extensions of their male partners? Or just her? Many of your 'choices' are not legally qualified, and could not run, much less be on a ballot to get a vote, even if they were not jokes. Some are dead.
Clearly trying to make trouble here, and that sucks.

[Alexander]

22. What are you smoking? Biden dropped out immediately after Iowa

when he got 1% of the vote there.

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[babylonsister]

14. Ewwwwww!

:hide: Or should I say 'ouch'?

[BlueIris]

15. (((( Forkboy ))))

I think we need a "emergency disinfecting salve" smile for posts like this.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. Yeah, I'm never doing that again. Trust me. nt

[DrDan]

5. that chess game you refer to - I wish I knew who he thought he is playing against

[txlibdem]

6. I wish I knew...

But every time I hear that on the news I know that we're about to learn one more way that our "Democratic" President has helped big business and screwed the poor and the middle class. I guess the chess part is that he's faking us all out to make us think "he's on our side."

[DrDan]

8. that is exactly what I am beginning to think also

[WonderGrunion]

7. True chess masters play multiple opponents at the same time

Checkmate!

[DrDan]

9. to include the base - I agree

[Stoic]

10. Teddy Kennedy n/t

[txlibdem]

13. R.I.P. to a great Democrat and a great human being

Agreed!

PS, they only give you so many slots on a poll... and I wanted to put Leon Trotsky on there just to see if anybody but me would vote for him.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. You mean you wanted non choices. Trotsky? Billorhill as one?

Had you put real choices, you know what you would get as a result. You left Ted off because you knew he'd get votes. Same for Grayson, Kucinich, Feingold.
You made a poll that is like Eddie Izard's choice. Cake or death? Well, darling, cake, obviously.

[txlibdem]

21. Yes, it's all about the cake, darling.

Sorry you didn't like the poll. Hope you have a nice day anyway...

[boppers]

32. The cake is a lie.

[txlibdem]

38. You must be talking about a different cake than I and (I presume) the other poster

The poster made reference to an Eddie Izzard comedy routine in which he made some (perhaps non-PC) statements in favor of religious tolerance and social equity. "Cake or Death" is not a lie, it's a statement of tolerance, of beneficence.

Here's an example out of the routine talking about loving your fellow man:
"Jesus I do think did exist, and he was, I think, a guy who had interesting ideas in the Gandhi-type area, in the Nelson Mandela-type area, you know, relaxed and groovy; and the Romans thought, 'Relaxed and groovy?! No, no, no, no, no!' So they murdered him."

http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html

[boppers]

43. It's a riff on the whole concept of choice and reward... as is the Izzard routine.

Sure, you're offered cake, but they run out pretty quick.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+cake+is+a+lie
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-cake-is-a-lie--5

[txlibdem]

47. Please read the link in my post above

We are talking about two entirely different things.

That does not mean that I disagree with your "cake is a lie" meme; far from it. I, too, want my damn flying car. When I was in 10th grade the teachers all told us that the production of the American worker was increasing so fast that soon we will be going to a 4 day work week and maybe a 6 hour work day. Whatever happened to that I wonder (not really).

The cake is the American Dream. The cake is the promise of a promotion or a big raise that your boss knows damn well you'll never get but keeps dangling in front of you to keep you working yourself into an early grave. It's all a lie.

[harun]

11. Corporatist's are stomping the real proponents of the poor and middle class.

Says a lot about what DU has become, so sad.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

12. PSA: It's Barack... not Barrack n/t

[txlibdem]

40. Damn, you're right. Sorry bout that

I was going to put it in as "Barrack Hussein Obama." I guess that would have completely flipped your lid.

[Jennicut]

16. Bubba can't run again. Remember, we have a two term limit in this country.

It was Obama or Hillary. I voted for Obama in the primaries and am happy with that decision.

[txlibdem]

25. You're technically right but when you vote Hillary you're actually getting a two-fer

Everyone knows that Bill is part of the package deal. That was one of the reasons I would have voted for Hillary --if Obama hadn't made so many promises that he has now broken: no tax cuts for rich, make jobs, hold banks accountable, be like FDR, close Guantanamo, etc.

[Jennicut]

26. That is part of the reason I didn't vote for her in the primaries. Two terms as President

is plenty. No one who stays longer can help themselves to the power. A lot of times one term is enough really.

[dionysus]

17. rofl, you don't even know how to spell his name...

:rofl:

[lunatica]

18. FDR is dead, unlike Reagan. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

23. Where's Lee Mercer?

NGU.

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[namahage]

28. Well, looks like you got your wish.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=607196&mesg_id=608606

You have a poll with FDR up against "Barrack" and Bubba.
AND it's a "friggin' landslide"!

[txlibdem]

29. Looks like I underestimated the power of "smile and give a good speech"

...then stab the voters in the back at every opportunity.

Bailouts for the rich -- foreclosures for the poor and middle class
No prosecutions for the rich -- throw the book at us
tax cuts for the rich, 2 years -- 13 months of unemployment for some, NOTHING for the 99ers
highest income inequality in this nation in 70 years... we're getting screwed
Now he's talking about cutting social security -- you like cat food anyway, right?

I thought there were at least a small percentage of people with a brain in this country. I'm the fool with egg on his face now... :-)

[Bluebear]

36. Post your poll in General Discussion for the hell of it.

[txlibdem]

39. This IS general discussion

GD:Presidency is a subset of that forum.

Look, I'm sure you have some point you're trying to make but honestly it's lost on me. So, in the interests of time, why don't you go ahead and spit it out?

[Bluebear]

44. I began to answer you, but let's just forget it.

Hostile, aren't we? later.

[MrSlayer]

30. FDR of course.

Hell, I'd vote for the corpse of FDR over any of these people. At least no harm would be done. Teddy comes second.

[boppers]

31. FDR had a record of instituting Republican policies as well.

However, I don't think dead people are effective office holders.

[saras]

33. What's the problem with dead people?

If our only goal is that they not enact more stupid, evil laws, I'd rather have a dead President than one like we've got.

Even better, I'd like the alternative of voting 'none of the above'. If 'none of the above' wins, either we have another election with different candidates, or we leave the office empty for one term, and find out if it's necessary or not.

Actually, there's lots of voting systems that would work better than the two-party, winner-take-all system we currently have.

FWIW, neither Kucinich nor Sheehan were in the poll. I would have voted for either over Obama, and would again.

[boppers]

34. I'm big on IRV myself.

In wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/57frr

I would have gone for Sanders, Kucinich, Obama, in that order, if all were still running.

As far as "none of the above", I'd rather have somebody with the power to undo lousy crap... without Obama, women couldn't sue their employers for sex discrimination after a few years had passed, DADT would still be in place, Iraq would still be in full swing, federal workers could be fired for being gay, aid would be denied to organizations that provided abortions, NCLB would still be the gold standard, nothing would have been done about health insurance companies, research on stem-cells would be denied funding, GM and Chrysler would have failed, CO would not be regulated, etc. etc...

"None of the above" would have basically left the policies from * exactly the same.

[Raine]

35. Without a doubt ... FDR. nt

[Honeycombe8]

37. O does not have a record of instituting Repub policies. That's ridiculous and an ignorant statement.

It shows you know little about what Congress and the administration have done these past two years, and that you are almost totally ignorant of what the Republicans did during the eight years they were in power.

Congress/Obama's health care bill...way better than the Republicans, right? Wrong! The Republicans didn't, and wouldn't, have done ANYTHING regarding health care. It's just fine the way it is, thank you very much!

Congress/Obama have stopped the silly discussions of privatizing Social Security.

Congress/Obama have preserved millions of acres wilderness for protection in the U.S. Republicans think wilderness is best used for logging.

Obama passed a fair pay act for women. Not something the Republicans are big on, as you know.

Congress/Obama has issued a moratorium on deep water drilling, in light of the BP spill. Totally contrary to Republican "values."

Congress/Obama are aggressively instituting green/alternative energy policies. The first new cafe standards for mileage for vehicles goes into effect for 2012 models, and increases steadily to 2016. The ones Bush passed a few years ago were so small they were meaningless. The Obama ones are MUCH better, and instituted them almost immediately (in government time).

Congress/Obama entered a nuclear treaty with Russia. Something the Repubs could not, or would not, do. This is important, since Russia has TONS of nuclear products just sitting around, waiting for terrorists to get their hands on. Now we can start addressing that huge issue. And cut down on this "race to the top" in nuclear weapons.

Congress/Obama repealed DADT. I guess we don't have to say how against this the Repubs were.

Congress/Obama passed a quick law to pay a large chunk of insurance for laid off workers during the recession. The Republicans were disgusted by that.

Congress/Obama extended unemployment benefits...twice. The Republicans were virulently opposed to that (have we turned into a country where people go on the dole? they said)

And there were many other smaller but equally good things. The majority of Republicans voted against EVERYTHING.

Silly OP. Study up.

[Arkana]

41. Who says he's playing 11th dimensional chess

except the people that want to mock him?

And what Republican policies has he instituted? Health care reform? Financial reform? The DADT repeal? Yeah, those were probably WAY up on the Republicans' list of priorities.

[4lbs]

42. 4 of those on the poll can't even be US President because they weren't born in this country.

Oh, and for the Repukes lurking, no, Obama isn't one of those four.

[mmonk]

45. Given we are nearly back to the 20's in economics, either FDR

or Teddy Roosevelt. Give this poll a try in GD.

[Cali_Democrat]

46. 11-dimensional chess?

You mean hyper-dimensional vulcan chess ;)