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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:29 AM
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"Obama's handling Egypt pretty well"
Marl Lynch:

After President Obama spoke last night about the situation in Egypt, my Twitter feed and inbox filled up with angry denunciations, with lots of people complaining bitterly that he had endorsed Mubarak's grim struggle to hold on to power, missed an historic opportunity, and risked sparking a wave of anti-Americanism. Once I actually read the transcript of his remarks, though, I felt much better. I think the instant analysis badly misread his comments and the thrust of the administration's policy. His speech was actually pretty good, as is the rapidly evolving American policy. The administration, it seems to me, is trying hard to protect the protestors from an escalation of violent repression, giving Mubarak just enough rope to hang himself, while carefully preparing to ensure that a transition will go in the direction of a more democratic successor.

It's crucial to understand that the United States is not the key driver of the Egyptian protest movement. They do not need or want American leadership -- and they most certainly are not interested in "vindicating" Bush's freedom agenda or the Iraq war, an idea which almost all would find somewhere between laughable, bewildering, and deeply offensive. Suspicion of American intentions runs deep, as does folk wisdom about decades of U.S. collaboration with Mubarak. They are not really parsing Hilary Clinton's adjectives. Their protest has a dynamic and energy of its own, and while they certainly want Obama to take their side forcefully and unequivocally they don't need it.

What they do need, if they think about it, is for Obama to help broker an endgame from the top down --- to impose restraints on the Egyptian military's use of violence to repress protests, to force it to get the internet and mobile phones back online, to convince the military and others within the regime's inner circle to ease Mubarak out of power, and to try to ensure that whatever replaces Mubarak commits to a rapid and smooth transition to civilian, democratic rule. And that's what the administration is doing. The administration's public statements and private actions have to be understood as not only offering moral and rhetorical support to the protestors, or as throwing bones to the Washington echo chamber, but as working pragmatically to deliver a positive ending to a still extremely tense and fluid situation.


I completely understand why activists and those who desperately want the protestors to succeed would be frustrated --- anything short of Obama gripping the podium and shouting "Down With Mubarak!" probably would have disappointed them. But that wasn't going to happen, and shouldn't have. If Obama had abandoned a major ally of the United States such as Hosni Mubarak without even making a phone call, it would have been irresponsible and would have sent a very dangerous message to every other U.S. ally. That doesn't mean, as some would have it, that Obama has to stick with Mubarak over the long term -- or even the weekend -- but he simply had to make a show of trying to give a long-term ally one last chance to change.

http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/29/obamas_handling_egypt_pretty_well

Thank god for a president with some brain.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:40 AM
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1. Don't suppose he appologised
for the fact that the tear gas cannisters all had "Made in the USA" printed on them ?
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:47 AM
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2. Seriously, you blame him for this too?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:01 AM
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5. I'd simply reiterated
the tweets which were coming out of Egypt as to the feeling of their own population with regard to the USA.

Aside from that his address was to the USA and at best probably caused some mirth outside of that area.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:47 AM
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3. The ones with a 2008 expiration date?
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:50 AM
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4. The U.S. gives arms to many countries.
With the assumption that they will use them against their enemies. It's not Obama's fault that they are using them against their own people. Better tear gas than bullets.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:08 AM
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7. Tear gas is used by governments to quell civil unrest NOT
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 11:10 AM by jonnyblitz
as a "weapons against enemies", give me a FUCKING break. We sell them bombs and guns for that. When the USA sells tear gas they know EXACTLY what it is used for.

and do you really think the Egyptians on the receiving end of the tear gas cannisters with "made in the usa" are going to check for expiration dates to see who was president at the time? :crazy:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:06 AM
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6. btw "military's use of violence"
refers to Egypt's Central Security : Not Egypt's Army.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:10 AM
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8. Marc Lynch - is on a list of "People Who Might Actually Know What The %$#@ They're Talking About "
Egypt: People Who Might Actually Know What The %$#@ They're Talking About

January 29, 2011 | Posted by Abu Muqawama - 10:25am | 0 Comments

I was home in Tennessee for a brief 24 hours and woke up yesterday morning to MSNBC's "Morning Joe," which Mama Muqawama likes to watch before work. Nothing against the people on that particular show, because it's probably just representative of U.S. cable news in general*, but I was absolutely stunned by the willingness of the show's guests to opine about Egypt without having any actual experience in or expertise on Egypt or the broader Middle East. Is it really that tough to say, "Hey, that's a great question, Joe, but I am not really the best guy to give the viewers at home a good answer?"

Instead, guest after guest -- most of whom are specialists in or pundits on U.S. domestic politics -- made these broad, ridiculously sweeping statements about the meaning and direction of the protests.

I traveled to Egypt twice in 2005 and lived there between January and August of 2006 while studying Arabic after having completed my master's degree in Middle Eastern Studies at the American University of Beirut. I am by no means an expert on Egypt. But I like to think I know the people who are, so as a service to the readers, I am providing you all a list of no-%$#@ experts on Egypt. This list is, happily, by no means exhaustive: unlike the lack of informed commentary on Afghanistan, the United States has thousands of people who have lived and studied in Egypt as civilian researchers and students and can thus provide some reasonably informed commentary on events there. The following list is filled with some people whose opinions matter and whose analysis might actually be informed by study and experience. This list is in no particular order except for the first two people on the list, who are both close friends as well as two of the world's best experts on Egyptian politics.

Issandr el-Amrani, Arabist.net, @arabist

Elijah Zarwan, Crisis Group

Michael Wahid Hanna, The Century Foundation, @mwhanna1

Marc Lynch, GWU/CNAS/FP.com, @abuaardvark

Steven Cook, CFR

Samir Shehata, Georgetown

Josh Stacher, Kent State

Amil Khan, Abu Muqawama, @Londonstani

Max Rodenbeck, The Economist

If you can, follow the live feed on al-Jazeera Arabic, which has made for the most exciting television I have watched since the Red Sox came back from three games down in the 2004 ALCS. (These events are arguably more geostrategically significant.) If you can't follow that feed, try al-Jazeera English or follow the updates on Robert Mackey's most excellent New York Times blog The Lede.

*An exception to the rule: Ben Wedeman at CNN.

http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2011/01/egypt-people-who-might-actually-know-what-theyre-talking-about.html
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