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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 09:21 PM
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Obama To NOT Issue Signing Statement On Gitmo
Edited on Wed Jan-05-11 09:23 PM by kpete
President Obama will likely not issue a signing statement asserting his constitutional authority to bypass a recent congressional action barring him from bringing Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial. Instead, Obama will strongly criticize the ban, but stop short of setting up a bypass, which would be an unprecedented assertion of executive authority over the Congress.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/05/thinkfast-january-5... /
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/us/politics/05gitmo.h...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 09:28 PM
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1. Crap...

I'll just leave it at that.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 10:01 PM
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5. See comment #4 n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:21 PM
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7. I didn't agree with Bush* use of signing statements...
Edited on Wed Jan-05-11 11:22 PM by hlthe2b
I think they are unconstitutional....But, I think this bill, Obama is about to sign includes an unconstitutional provision in it as well. I sort of want to see him fight it, even if it means opting for a signing statement that I detest. To not do so, seems a weakening of the Presidency...I If there is an alternative way to fight it, I'm all for it.... :shrug:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 09:31 PM
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2. If he said he had the power to do it, he'd have to explain why he hasn't done it.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 09:36 PM
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3. He is asserting division of powers in the constitution most likely.
Would you claim dictatorship to fix a wrong? That could be it.

Could be something else, but that is probably part of it.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 10:01 PM
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4. But Obama has NOT stated what the OP text above suggests.
Edited on Wed Jan-05-11 10:04 PM by Tx4obama

His aides will recommend that, but that does not reflect any decision that Obama has made.

Read what it says here in the first few paragraphs and especially the 4th paragraph, and the last one ---> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/us/politics/05gitmo.h...

So, don't just to any conclusions yet :)

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 10:14 PM
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6. Good. "I'm signing this but it's unconstitutional and I won't enforce it" is a crappy way to govern.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:24 PM
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8. I agree.... but...
here he is signing something that appears to unconstitutionally weaken the Presidency and thus sets precedence. How do you reconcile that?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:46 PM
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9. The imperial Presidency needs to be weakened.
Isn't that what we all thought under Bush? Maybe that's why Obama is doing it this way.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:19 AM
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10. Pft. The actual balance of powers is in part a political question, and if a majority in Congress
thinks the districts won't support GITMO relocations, then there's a chance it would be not merely pointless but also politically stupid for the Executive to take an unpopular stand and then lose overwhelmingly on the issue: I expect he'll try another tack to empty GITMO

Whether it's blatantly unconstitutional seems dubious to me: Congress has the express power to regulate captures
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:21 AM
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11. The presidency has been unconstitutionally strengthened for decades.
It needs to be weakened.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:55 AM
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12. In many areas, I would agree
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