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Elmore Furth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:57 PM
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Hawaii's Governor Wants to Reveal Obama Birth Info
Source: ABC News

Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie wants to find a way to release more information about President Barack Obama's birth and dispel conspiracy theories that he was born elsewhere.

President Barack Obama laughs with employee Renee Ebia, of Kailua, Hawaii., as he eats his Shave Ice at Island Snow at Kailua Beach Center while on vacation with the first family in Kailua, Hawaii, Monday, Dec. 27, 2010. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
(AP)Abercrombie was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, and is deeply troubled by the effort to cast doubt on the president's citizenship.

The newly elected Democrat will ask the state attorney general's office and health officials about how he can make public more of Obama's birth documentation from Aug. 4, 1961, spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Tuesday.

"He had a friendship with Mr. Obama's parents, and so there is a personal issue at hand," Dela Cruz said. "Is it going to be done immediately? No, the first thing on our list is the economy."



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12494889
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:02 PM
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1. It's all public record...
...right?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:03 PM
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2. Just release everything that's there and be done with it.
What's the point in holding ANYTHING back now?

Both of the president's parents are dead. There's nothing that could possibly be in there that could harm anyone.

Abercrombie is right. Just get it out there and END this shit.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:14 PM
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7. That's just it - birthers wouldn't be done with it.
Anything that any reasonable person would accept as proof has already been released. But birthers BY DEFINITION are not reasonable. Because it's not about the birth certificate. It's about a black man in the White House.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:27 PM
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12. Family friend? Fellow Democrat?
In the world of teabaggers, this just sounds like the makings of a cover-up.

If Saint Regan himself came down and told them Obama was 100% American and met all the requirements for president, they would think it was some kind of mass hallucination being perpetrated by Commie liberals. They don't want to believe facts, therefore they won't. They haven't so far, and they never will.

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:40 PM
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17. Exactly. Nothing will make them shut up and go away, and it's all
because they cannot stand the idea of a black man being the President of the United States. I hope nothing further is ever released - those knuckleheads aren't worth it.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:45 PM
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35. Whatever information would they have relating to his birth that is
not already in the Hawaiian birth certificate? If they mean the certificate that he may have gotten from the hospital, generally that has LESS information than is in the state record. Just try to get a US passport with that hospital certificate and you'll have a REAL awakening.
My MT "certificate of live birth" is absolute proof as it stands of my natural-born status.
So why is HI's official document not acceptable for him? Is President Obama held to a different standard just because the birthers can't deal with the fact that his father was a black African who married a white American woman?
That's their bottom line.
The fact that he's a Democrat also factors in. If he were Republican (a thought that absolutely boggles the mind considering today's Rethuglican Party which I distinguish from its antecedents), the issue would never have seen the light of day.

Nothing and no thing will put this to rest for the crazies - and they are that.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:04 PM
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3. "more of Obama's birth documentation"! Enough already. Either release the original birth certificate
OR stonewall the topic completely.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:51 PM
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32. At this point, the original birth certificate doesn't matter
If Neil Abercrombie walks into the Hawaii governor's office on his inauguration, pulls the original "vault copy" of the president's BC out of a file folder and holds it up for all to see, Orly is going to say it was fabricated.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:05 PM
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4. The Governor is from Kenya too!!1!!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 05:14 PM by Kingofalldems
This is HUGH!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:37 PM
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10. Abercrombie is one of the names from The Mayflower.
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 05:37 PM by Ian David
http://books.google.com/books?id=UXhHAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA144&...

Wow, this conspiracy goes back hundreds of years!



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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:32 PM
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25.  LOL!
I'm not a governor - I'm Hugh!
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:08 PM
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5. Dela Cruz??? Sounds like one of them muslin Kenyan types!
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:12 PM
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6. It will will not be enough for the birthers
They will just move the goalposts and find some way to show it is fake. :crazy:

If they did not believe it when Gov Lingle (R) said there was nothing to it, they will not believe Ambercrombie.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:53 PM
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26. And Now That The Stupid Gits Have Taken Over The House
We can expect TWO YEARS of birther hearings, with gavel to gavel coverage on Faux :puke:
while the nation's business piles up undone.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:21 PM
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8. it won't help
Orly Taitz (the world's expert on the validity of Birth certificates...I guess) wants to examine the birth certificate with a detective. Birthers are racists who are angry that this black guy who is obviously smarter than they are is the president. They will just keep moving the goal posts.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:35 PM
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9. Even if they have everything, they'll just say The President isn't actually Barack Obama.
They'll say, "There was someone named Barack Obama who was born in Hawaii-- but that is not the same person who today calls himself Barack Obama and is in The White House."


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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:28 PM
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13. One group of birthers is already demanding a DNA test.
"It is high time that legislative bodies and prosecutorial authorities investigate the citizenship status of Barack Hussein Obama II as it relates to his eligibility to the Office of President under Article II Section 1 of the United States Constitution. This includes the determination of his actual identity, which requires genetic analysis. I started my investigation and analysis by deeming nearly every assertion as open to question, including the claimed identity of Mr. Obama's parents. A certificate that a child was born to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu on 4 August 1961 might be true; but, assuming it's true, it does not necessarily follow that Mr. Obama is that child. Whether he is or not requires genetic analysis."

http://www.westernjournalism.com/its-high-time-to-inves... /

:crazy:


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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:17 PM
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22. Are they going to dig up his parents to get their DNA?
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 07:19 PM by GoCubsGo
Because that's what they'd need to do to prove he was that child. I doubt these goddamn imbeciles understand that, or how DNA testing works in the first place. These assholes need to be locked up in padded cells, because they are not only grossly ignorant, they are out and out batshit crazy.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:19 PM
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11. Then they'll become "Afterbirthers" and want to see the placenta too.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:31 PM
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14. For what?
Then kooks are never going to believe it no matter what is released.

To Hell with them.
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husky92 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:35 PM
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15. These People (Birthers) are Not Normal!!!
Gov. Abercrombie can produce oodles of legal paper, but Orly Taitz and the birthers are total whack jobs and wouldn't believe whatever he can come up wit. Look at that poll Fox did asking people if they believed Pres. Obama was born in the U.S. and what was it -- 60+ percent said no. That just typifies the Fox viewer -- clueless. I hope Gov. Abercrombie can put this thing to bed for good, but as many people have said on here, they wouldn't believe him anyway and will blame it on a coverup or some far-out conspiracy.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:35 PM
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16. but he will still be black
so he can't be a "real" american to the birthers.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:40 PM
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18. Freepers throing a HUGH tantrum...
"He's not the presidnet cuz WE say so! Wahhhh!!!"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2648638/posts

:crazy:
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:50 PM
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19. What kind of tantrum?
Is it a Hugh Downs tantrum?
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:11 PM
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21. The Freepers misspelled "huge."
They wrote it as "hugh." :-)
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:24 PM
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24. Well, now I feel like a
real MORAN!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:50 PM
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20. Frame it and set up a webcam n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:21 PM
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23. "It's a forgery!" they'll yell
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 07:22 PM by 0rganism
When presented with additional evidence of the authenticity of the certificate, they'll demand proof for that evidence too, and so on, reductio ad absurdum. The governor's only wasting his time if he deals with the birthers -- there isn't enough evidence in the world to convince them President Obama is not a Muslim Communist from Kenya.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:55 PM
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27. K and R for the Teabaggers
Complete idiots.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:09 PM
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28. They will complain no matter what you show or tell them. It is a game.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 06:46 PM
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45. Precisely
And the President would be foolish to play their game.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:15 PM
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29. Tweety wants it too
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:36 PM
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30. the Truth has no effect on stupid people brainwashed by evil Dominionist cults... [GOP]
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:37 PM
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31. Giving in to birthers is like negotiating with terrorists -- you risk opening the floodgates
Look, I'm as tired as anyone else of the birthers' nonsense. But here's the thing: President Obama proved his citizenship to the satisfaction of the Federal Election Commission, the body tasked with ensuring that candidates who run for office are constitutionally eligible to do so. What's more, every court that has looked at birther challenges has thrown them out. The legal birth certificate the President did, in fact, produce was legally sufficient, so the birthers' insistence on ever more documentation is motivated either by a malevolent desire to feed and water the ignorance of a certain portion of the electorate, or it is motivated by irrational bigotry and xenophobia. But whichever it is (and it is probably some of both), to give in to their demands would be to afford an element of legitimacy to the birthers, and to their lunatic theories, that they simply do not deserve at this point. And, I fear, giving in to their demand on this question would open the floodgates to a whole new round of fringe groups demanding the President prove his legitimacy on an ever-expanding number of absurd non-issues.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:55 PM
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33. Birtherism is just code talk for "Obama is a N***er".
they don't really care about his birth certificate, it's just a way of implying that blacks are not "real Americans" without saying it.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:33 PM
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43. +1000000. Nailed it! n/t
J
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Striker Davies Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:02 PM
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34. Jesus says Obama is legit
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 09:04 PM by Striker Davies
At noon today, Jesus H Christ arrived in a shopping mall in Dallas.

"Verily I say unto you, our brother Obama was born in the USA and is a natural born citizen," he said

Nobody listened as they were too busy returning the crap that other people had bought them to celebrate the Birth of Christ.

Finally, Orly Taitz appeared and shouted - "Get back to Philistine where you belong, you bleeding heart liberal. All you've ever done is preach liberal crap to Israelians. You liberals shouldn't poke your nose into American business. And you can't produce your birth certificate either."

Later that day, at a formal presentation of Obama's long-form certificate in Honolulu, several birthers started screaming "It's fake!" as the drawer was opened.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:01 AM
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36. LOL @ "Israelians" n/t
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 07:12 PM
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46. "...And you can't produce your birth certificate either."
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:45 AM
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37. I agree
release it, covering stuff up, like sealing college records and stuff just gives fuel to the fire, after all TRANSPARENCY is what he ran on!!
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Hocking Hick Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:51 AM
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38. What happens...
What happens if what is on the original BC doesn't match what is part of the stated public record?

I be a bettin' the origninal is nowhere to be found -- prob'ly lost during some kind of technology change-over/upgrade.

Of course, that would make liars out of several Hawaii officials...
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:47 PM
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39. This is HUGH!!!11!1!!
Impeachment!!
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:54 PM
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40. Welcome to DU
enjoy your stay.














while it lasts...
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:30 PM
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42. If you honestly think that the President of the United States
was part of a vast conspiracy from the day he was born to somehow become President of the United States (and somehow fool the FBI/CIA/NSA background checks that they do on anyone who wants to become an elected official with security clearance, let alone President) then I have a bridge in fucking Brooklyn to sell you.

The President was born here and has provided his birth certificate. That should be good enough for anyone with a working brain.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:27 PM
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41. He's wasting his time.
No matter what he does birthers will declare it "fake" or "invalid".

Ignore them. It makes them angry.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 06:35 PM
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44. If Obama wanted to release it, he would have already done it
He deserves the privacy any other citizen would be afforded.
I'm not sure why he hasn't released the long form document, but it's not because he wasn't born in Hawaii. There is no other relevant information that anybody needs to know.
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