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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 08:38 AM
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The Anti-Birther: 'I was here when that baby was born.'
For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama 'birthers' is a top priority
Democrat Neil Abercrombie, who knew Obama's parents, is determined to torpedo the conspiracy theory. Underlying his effort may be a desire to dispel the view that Hawaiians aren't Americans in the same way as mainlanders.

Reporting from Honolulu -- Neil Abercrombie knew Barack Obama's parents when the future president was born here in 1961, and he has been aggravated by the so-called birther movement, which alleges Obama was not born in the United States and thus should be expelled from office.

Now Abercrombie has an office of his own -- he became governor of Hawaii on Dec. 6. -- and he intends to do something about it.

What, exactly, is unclear. But in an interview this week at the state Capitol, he left little doubt that torpedoing the conspiracy theorists was a priority.

"What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," said Abercrombie, 72. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.' "

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama-birthe...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 08:44 AM
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1. Can't wait for the slap down
Birthers are freakin nuts.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 08:44 AM
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2. Dyed-in-the-wool birthers will not be dissuaded
from their cockeyed beliefs. If they fell for all the birther codswollop earlier, they'll just see Gov. Abercrombie as just another footsoldier in this elaborate conspiracy theory.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:17 AM
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5. They just fall back to plan B. Obama's father had British citizenship
therefore (according to their 'outstanding' legal analysis) Obama isn't somehow eligible to be President. And so on, and so on. Nothing will convince them.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 01:43 PM
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12. Well, if Vattel said so, who are you to gainsay it?
(I read too many birther/freeper threads...)
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:20 AM
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6. yup. they'll keep at it until he somehow turns out to be white after all
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 03:02 PM
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15. Sorry this is irrefutable. If they don't believe an eyewitness they will
will be shamed by their fellow idiots. They cannot not believe an eyewitness. It's finally undeniable.

I hope I hope I hope ...
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 04:46 PM
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16. They wouldn't believe it even if Reagan came back & told them himself!
They don't want to trust in facts or rational reasoning (Is "rational reasoning" redundant? :P ) if it runs counter to their beliefs. That's why they call it "belief."

And like others if their ilk through the ages, they take criticism and disdain as a badge of honor, as something that "proves" they must be right. :eyes:

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:10 AM
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3. Counterfactual information reinforces paranoid ideation

"Aha! See! Now they're really worried."

He's only going to give them more oxygen.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:14 AM
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4. that was my thought when I first saw this last night. nothing he can say or do will persuade them,
and he is only giving them some sort of weird credibility in "making this one of (my) top priorities"
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:09 AM
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9. That's how it always seems to work
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:24 AM
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7. Interesting dilemna for the "states rights" crowd who are also birthers
I like how he's shifted the issue to Hawaii being the issue. I guess right wing birthers like to have it both ways and this governor is sick to death of it.

I never knew that there are people who feel that way about Hawaii, that it's too exotic and not American in some way. Another stupid that hurts.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:35 AM
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8. Let's see, a Lt Col was just convicted in a Court Martial for missing
a troop movement over this. He lost everything he was working toward for 17+ years. He could even lose his Medical License because he got over a year in prison, which equates to a felony. How many more morons will sacrifice their futures over this nonsense?

As long as these idiots keep to this tack, I'm fine with it, nothing like destroying one's self for idiocy...kind of clears up the gene pool a bit... :D
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:19 AM
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10. Just think of all the money the Birthers have raised while keeping this alive.
"Can you send $25 to help us throw this fake out of the position as POTUS?" As long as they can keep the lie going, they get that much richer.

Scam artists all!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 01:44 PM
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13. I think Orly Taitz is a genius. Not just a lawyer/dentist/real estate agent,
but a genuine grifter of the Freepers.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:36 AM
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11. The more it's debunked the more it reinforces the birther's opinion about the 'conspiracy'
Studies have shown about some nutty beliefs, which the birther belief on Obama falls under, that the more you try to debunk the lie and provide solid proof that it's a lie, the more it reinforces the lie in the minds of those who buy into it.

Why? Because the birther's believe there's a huge conspiracy to have Obama, a 'foreigner' be president, and that any evidence opponents of the birthers produce must have been faked by the people behind the conspiracy to hide Obama's real citizenship.

Another thing that helps reinforce the birther belief in the minds of the fools who believe it is convincing other people to believe in the conspiracy, convincing someone to believe something, no matter how nutty it is, makes it easier for you to believe it.

I once read about a 'mini-cult' you could call it in a Psychology book that claimed that the world was going to end, but aliens were going to come and take all of their order away with them in order to save them. The group had a specific date that this was supposed to happen at midnight. At first a lot of psychologists thought the group would disappear after that date when it was exposed as a fake. Instead what happened was the group waited around for a couple of hours after the aliens were supposed to have taken them away to save them, then the leader suddenly stood shouted that the aliens had saved the world from destruction, so there was no need for them to take them away. The idiot followers there believed him, and then the followers tried to get even more people to join their group.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 01:50 PM
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14. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could..."
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

I know I am being a smart ass, but Barack Obama was there too.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 04:48 PM
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17. LOL. True - but he doesn't remember it.
;)
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