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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:40 AM
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Poll: Lame duck boosts Obama; GOP slips

Poll: Lame duck boosts Obama; GOP slips

by Jed Lewison

Opinion Research Corporation for CNN. 12/17-19. 1,000 American adults. MoE 3%.

    As you may know, over the past few weeks Congress has been meeting in what is sometimes referred to as a "lame duck" session to consider issues including tax cuts, unemployment benefits, government spending, gays in the military, and nuclear arms. Please tell me whether you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following have handled those issues under consideration during this session: (RANDOM ORDER)

    Barack Obama: 56% approve, 41% disapprove
    The Republicans in Congress: 42% approve, 53% disapprove
    The Democrats in Congress: 44% approve, 52% disapprove
Overall, 42% had a favorable opinion of the GOP while 50% had an unfavorable opinion. The public was split at 47% on the Democratic Party.

One important finding from the poll is that the public believes President Obama has done an effective job at reaching out to Republicans -- but they don't believe Republicans have done an effective job at reaching out to President Obama. 59% said President Obama was doing enough to work with Republicans (up from 47% in February), but just 28% said Republicans were doing enough to work with President Obama.

This hasn't just boosted Obama's ratings, it's also boosted Democrats relative to Republicans. In February, 35% said Democrats were mostly responsible for the lack of cooperation in DC compared and 37% blamed Republicans. Now, 46% blame Republicans and just 28% blame Democrats.

The implication of this is that the public is looking to the GOP to give more ground the next time compromise is required. In February, 51% felt Democrats needed to give up more than Republicans compared to 43% who felt Republicans needed to give up more than Democrats. That's now shifted: 45% say Democrats need to give up more while 47% say Republicans need to give up more.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:46 AM
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1. K & R
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:47 AM
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2. .......
The Republicans in Congress: 42% approve, 53% disapprove
The Democrats in Congress: 44% approve, 52% disapprove


this here explains it all, Congress is the biggest obstacle for Obama. They should throw McConnell out for one thing. :mad:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:57 AM
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4. Oh, but McConnell is such a charming person! Plus, his good looks alone
are enough to make him instantly likeable!

He does SO much for the Republicans!
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:54 AM
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3. LOL!
These polls that you keep posting are very funny actually.

I would bet that 70% of all respondents would not be able to correctly define a "lame duck" session of Congress.

I suspect that the WaPo/WSJ/Gallup folks have already finely crafted their poll questions to gauge the country's opinion of cutting Social Security in 2011.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:02 AM
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5. "These polls that you keep posting are very funny actually. "
I missed the joke.

"I would bet that 70% of all respondents would not be able to correctly define a "lame duck" session of Congress."

Some Americans don't know that there are 535 members of Congress.

Polls, damn polls. Some are good. Some are bad. Yet there is something of value in public opinion. Damn democracy.

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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:13 AM
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6. K&R the people are paying attention.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 02:54 PM
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19. I agree.
:hi:
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:50 AM
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7. The first responders bill is killing the repigs
As well it should.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:46 AM
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8. This poll shows no such thing.
This article cites respondents' approval/disapproval of the way Obama handled four issues in the lame duck session. Although overall approval ratings of the Republican and Democratic parties are mentioned, Obama's is not. This is a disingenuous misrepresentation.

In fact, this poll gave Obama a 48% overall job approval rating - exactly the same as the result in the previous CNN/Opinion Research poll conducted a month ago. Further, the RCP average clearly shows Obama's lame duck bounce to be nothing more than wishful thinking.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president...
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:13 AM
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9. You can't judge by the RCP average - the vast majority of those
polls were taken before the votes this week and skew the average. If you look at the polls taken since the passage of DADT, etc. you can see a definite bump. And it's too early to tell yet whether it's a bump or a trend.

PS, since Rasmussen uses questionable weighting that always favors Republicans, you can add 3-5 points to their results.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:48 PM
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10. Bump? What bump?
"And it's too early to tell yet whether it's a bump or a trend."

There is no poll that indicates either a bump or a trend. There is only wishful thinking, and cheerleading the Bush tax cut extension by the corporate media.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 02:01 PM
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12. Gallup has Obama's approval at 49%:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:07 PM
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13. And they had him at 47% on December 3 - within the poll's 3% MOE.
Next?

:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:53 PM
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14. He hasn't been at 49% since July 1st.
Try all you want to minimize that. It won't work.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 12:57 PM
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18. He was at 49% in an ABC News/Wash Post on December 12
Edited on Sat Dec-25-10 01:27 PM by Lasher
OK, let's review:

I challenged the obfuscation in the OP because it presents approval of Obama's handling of four lame duck issues in a way that encourages readers to conclude it is his overall approval rating. It is not. I have shown that Obama's CNN/Opinion Research approval rating is exactly the same as when that poll was last conducted.

You did notice that, right? Exactly the same.

So now you want to ignore this clear fact and cherrypick a different poll result. OK, fine. I merely pointed out that the 2% increase in the Gallup poll result is within its 3% MOE. Am I wrong about that, or am I right? Because if I'm right, you have presented evidence that is inconclusive, particularly since the Gallup result is not consistent with that of the CNN/Opinion Research poll cited in the OP - or with that of other recent polls (which you have ignored) that show a decrease in Obama's job approval rating, compared to their earlier results.

According to the polls, there has been no significant change in Obama's average job approval rating for months. I say there has been no lame duck bounce.

You don't like that, but you can offer no argument to the contrary. So you accuse me of wanting to minimize something that doesn't exist. Oh and look, here comes the chorus: I'm "digging", I'm "doing nothing but embarrassing" myself, and the "good news" is making me "break out in hives".

If you and your sympathizers get to a point where you resort to personal attacks because that's all you have left, it could be because you're just plain wrong about that particular issue.


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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 03:51 PM
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20. Wow-you're sounding desperate. You don't compare one poll to another. Obama's approval
Edited on Sat Dec-25-10 03:56 PM by jenmito
in the Gallup poll is at 49%, which it hasn't been since July 1st.

And the OP didn't imply anything that was false: "59% said President Obama was doing enough to work with Republicans (up from 47% in February)..."

You lose in your attempt to minimize Obama's improvement.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 04:51 PM
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21. Wow, looks like you've never heard of Danth's Law
You said, "He hasn't been at 49% since July 1st." You didn't say, "He hasn't been at 49% in the Gallup poll since July 1st." This is a clear matter of record, but such facts haven't slowed you down so far. I'm sure you will claim you said something else.

Further, it is not your place to tell me what I compare, and what I don't. I will compare anything I like, such as comparing your argument with reality - but that is better described as a contrast.

I have already pointed out the false assertion set forth in the OP, in a manner that is easily grasped by any reasonable person. But you know for sure that current polls say something they don't, and none of my annoying facts are going to penetrate your thick cloud of denial.

Thank you for the amusing exchange. I'm going to move on now, to other issues that are in need of desperate minimizing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 06:49 PM
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22. Ummm...
I was OBVIOUSLY still talking about Gallup from my first post: "Gallup has Obama's approval at 49%:" Your attempts to justify your "logic" is transparent and desperate.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 11:07 PM
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16. Please stop digging...
You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself at this point.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 08:54 AM
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17. Good news making you break out in hives, is it?
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nmbluesky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:50 PM
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11. K&R
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:16 PM
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15. Cool! How many lame duck sessions will we have before the 2012 GE? n/t
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