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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:36 AM
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Sign that tax extension bill Obama
Do it!

Sign away millions of votes.

I know you'll sign away mine without any possibility of winning it back.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:38 AM
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1. Ditto, millions of times?
;)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:39 AM
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2. He'll sign it. This was a done deal several weeks ago.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 10:39 AM by Laelth
The Unitary Executive is here to stay, it appears. Congress has little, if any, power left. They cave to the President's "deals" and "compromises" every time. It's very interesting, but it's also definitely not what our founders had in mind.

-Laelth
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:52 AM
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6. wow, when did you go through the looking glass?
Congress is the reason Obama didn't get what he wanted.

This all revolves around what can pass the Senate.
And right now, this bill is the best we can get through that gauntlet.

That last comment is hilarious.
Do tell, what did our Founders have in mind??
Which one did you talk with?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:54 AM
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8. Obama got exactly what he wanted
He negotiated the deal if you'll recall.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:59 AM
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10. after Congress refused to act before the election and after Middle Class Cuts only failed the Senate
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:47 AM
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3. Tax cuts don't stimulate
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:19 PM
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34. Tax cuts for the middle class
and UI benmfits do stimulate. If those had been lost, the economic progress we have been making would have ground to a halt, and receeded again.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:49 AM
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4. you don't represent anywhere close to a million people.
but I do understand your need to feel like you're part of something bigger than yourself.

It's just not nearly as big as you think.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:51 AM
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5. You are absolutely correct
I represent only one vote.

My feelings are consistent with the feelings of millions of voters though.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:54 AM
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7. yet nearly all of them will vote for Obama in 2012.
Just because people are mad,
doesn't mean they suddenly become stupid.

Only a very few are willing to throw their vote away so they can spite Obama.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:58 AM
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9. "nearly all of them"
I still see flame wars here about how Nader stole the election from Gore. Nader took a tiny fraction of the votes. Sometimes that's all it takes.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:00 AM
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12. you won't get your wish. you will find very few people willing to go over that cliff with you
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:03 AM
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13. It's not my wish to go over a cliff.
I worked for and voted for Obama to avoid the cliff.

I had no idea he was going lock the door of the bus and drive us right off the cliff when handed the keys.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:05 AM
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15. at the bottom of the cliff is a Repuke President.
You can keep heading in that direction if you want.

But don't be surprised when noone follows you.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:26 AM
Original message
dupe
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 11:27 AM by obxhead
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:26 AM
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16. Republican values are being supported
and passed into law. Bush policies are being continued without even examining them.

The only change will be a politician with the logo of the party they represent.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:43 AM
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19. I'm not President.
The only way it is my responsibility for the country heading the way it is was my vote for Obama in 08. He's the one driving the bus.

That's a new one though. Shifting the blame to the people that voted for Obama. :rofl:
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:13 PM
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28. 'My feelings are consistent with the feelings of millions of voters though'
They're called conservatives
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:19 PM
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33. They are also called
liberals, progressives, and moderates.


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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:20 PM
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29. ...
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:18 PM
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32. We'll see what polling numbers reflect after this signature. nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:00 AM
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11. After the republicans use his cave-in on Social Security funding
to further their cause of dismantling the program...

And catch on to Obama's own lack of understanding about the program (the _______ is now calling it an "entitlement" -- repuke term)...

Obama :puke: will NOT be able to count on many senior's votes...

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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:04 AM
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14. the term "cave-in" has become completely useless since those like you have acquired it
You don't realize that it amounts to a large tax cut for the Middle class??

you don't speak for any Senior other than yourself.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:33 AM
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18. "those like me", eh?
You mean those who work for fulfilling human needs instead of shoveling more of the commons into the pockets of the few?

You mean those who work for Peace...

You mean those of us who work for economic justice...

And despair to see just the opposite enshrined in law...?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a duck...

"Cave-in" is the best term for it...

:eyes:
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:53 AM
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24. those who would rather tear their hair and rend their flesh, than contribute to a viable solution
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:47 AM
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20. Middle class as defined by including most of the top 20% in the number.
Take them out and the effort becomes minor, take out the next 20% and you end up with a token for the majority.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:49 AM
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21. And 1 out of 3 workers
and anyone making less than $20k per year gets a TAX HIKE!

How progressive...NOT!

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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:57 AM
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25. don't you realize that there is already a limit which determines SS contribution
A billionaire doesn't pay in any more than someone who makes $100,000 a year.

Those making less than that will be the ones who benefit the most because what they pay in is a larger percentage of what they make.

This will help Middle Class families.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:25 PM
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35. Undermining Social Security will not help the middle class not in the long run.
The 2% drop in FICA will amount to less of a tax savings for singles making less that $20,000 that the $400 Making Work Pay credit that was not extended in this bill.

If Obama had wanted to cover the shortfall he's setting up for Social Security he would have lifted the income cap rather than deciding the money would come from the General Fund - which means rather than borrowing from China or Saudi Arabia.

He just sold us out big time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:49 AM
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22. I agree that people will be really pissed when they figure this out...
...but I don't think Obama "caved" - I think he's fine with dismantling Social Security and other New Deal gains.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:30 AM
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17. Millions of votes??? OMG! Hilarious.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:57 AM
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26. Since Obama WILL sign the bill, and everyone here knows it, you're saying you won't vote for him.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 12:02 PM by DevonRex
In addition, saying that he's lost your vote for GOOD, indicates that this is NOT about a primary challenge, but also about a general election. That is against the rules according to Skinner:

"If you don't want to vote for President Obama, that's your business. But if you post it on Democratic Underground it becomes my business. My advice is that you is to keep that nugget of information to yourself. Because if you post it, at very least, the moderators will delete your post."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Edited for spell check.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:29 PM
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37. The rules also state that we are to support Democratic values.
Obama now has a consistent record of supporting Republican values and republican supporting corporations. Does that make supporting Obama against the rules?

I'll support a Democratic candidate for the primary elections. If those primaries lead to Obama in the general election I will abstain from voting or possibly vote third party. That is my right as an American.

If Skinner or the mods that work for him decide the thread is worth locking or deleting over that then they are welcome to do so. It is their site.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:02 PM
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30. Okay I'll let him know
He doesn't have your vote
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:32 PM
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38. There is no need.
I have already done so. Thanks for the offer though. :)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:04 PM
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31. Buh bye...
:hi:

Actually, in the "grande scheme of things," this was the best week of the Obama presidency (at least it will be after the Senate approves DADT repeal and START).

Sorry.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:25 PM
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36. If this was the best week in his presidency
then the standards have dropped to an all time low.

I still can't believe Obama couldn't find a way to let Bush's tax cuts for the rich expire, like he promised, without using UI, the middle class, or anything else as a crutch to cover up for the fact that the deal is a cop out. Pathetic.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:37 PM
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39. We're locking this.
After some discussion we feel this comes under the heading -

"Expressing intent to not vote or vote third party, or justifying defeat of any Democratic general election candidate (unless a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative)."

Locking.
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