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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:48 PM
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John Avlon: Obama Finds His Mojo
Almost lost in the debate over the tax cut compromise this week was a striking moment of defiance and self-definition from President Obama.

It came in the final five minutes of Tuesday’s afternoon press conference. With the president under attack from congressional Democrats and the press corps, Obama recaptured some of the 2008 campaign magic when he started to push back and passionately defend his approach to the presidency.


The comments offered an uncensored look into his frustrations with armchair ideologues and his “North Star” philosophy of governing as a pragmatic progressive. It deserves a close reading and a place on the Obama administration highlight reel.

Twenty-six minutes into his press conference, the president took this final question from Jonathan Weisman of the Wall Street Journal.

“Some on the left have looked at this deal and questioned what your core values are,” Weisman asked. “What specifically you will go to the mat on?”

Obama started to rattle on about budgets and deficits and 2012 and then Wesimann interrupted him: “Where is your line in the sand?”

That’s when No Drama Obama got pissed and presidential.

“Not making the tax cuts for the wealthy permanent—that was a line in the sand. Making sure that the things that most impact middle-class families and low-income families, that those were preserved—that was a line in the sand.”

Obama drilled down the list of the unemployment extensions, the earned income tax credit, and the college tuition tax credit—all the benefits he got added to the temporary extension of the top rate of the Bush tax cuts. This is the backdoor middle class stimulus that conservatives like Charles Krauthammer have decried as liberals simultaneously have cried defeat.

Obama then took aim at the left-wing Democratic critics in congress and the media who’d been pounding him as unprincipled and weak. He showed the scars of his defining fight for health care reform with a surprising enemy in his muscle memory—the all or nothing liberal activist crowd.

The rest is here...http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-12-11/obama-tax-cut-deal-john-avlon-applauds-presidential-act/
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:52 PM
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1. So, Obama Cut the Crap and Revealed Himself and His Agenda
so much for change we can believe in.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:59 PM
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2. so I will put you in the category of....
the belief that during the 2008 campaign Obama never said that change would TAKE TIME and be VERY HARD....you want 100% change by yesterday.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:02 PM
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3. You and I have Very Different Definitions of "Change"
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:06 PM
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7. How can change in the WRONG direction result in change in the proper direction?
Is this one of those "if you want to go 2 miles to the East, just start walking to the West and you'll eventually end up where you want to be" kinda things???
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:07 PM
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8. No....
That example would make sense only if Obama made the tax cuts permanent for the wealthy or he lowered the taxes more than Bush....
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:05 PM
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13. Facts don't lie - he campaigned against tax cuts for the rich, now he's their cheerleader
Obama is a Trickle Down high priest now. He's fully brainwashed by that particular cult.

The cult of trickle down... I wonder if they could get tax free status.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:12 PM
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15. hyperbole is superfluous
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 03:14 PM by Sheepshank
"he campaigned against tax cuts for the rich, now he's their cheerleader"

Really, cheerleader? Wrong. Puts the rest of your statement into the realm of "Meh"
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:03 PM
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17. Fanaticism leads to blindness
But you already know that.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:49 PM
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18. Ya I know...goes both directions too. But you knew that too n/t
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:07 AM
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19. If Obama cant end them with a Democratic majority
How will he do it in an even worse position?

He wont end them, he will be blackmailed into adding new tax cuts for the rich in 13 months.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:05 PM
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14. Time, yes! But he never even HINTED that it would take as long as TWO WHOLE F*CKING YEARS!
I feel so BETRAYED! (sob!)

PS: K & R!
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:03 PM
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4. Good column. At least some Ds get it and have removed themselves
from the circular firing squad.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:03 PM
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5. Good interview!
"all the benefits he got added to the temporary extension of the top rate of the Bush tax cuts. This is the backdoor middle class stimulus that conservatives like Charles Krauthammer have decried as liberals simultaneously have cried defeat."
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:05 PM
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6. Here is the text of that exchange...It's public property...transparency.
Jonathan Weisman, last question.

Q Some on the left have questioned -- have looked at this deal and questioned what your core values are, what specifically you will go to the mat on. I’m wondering if you can reassure them with some specific things in saying, all right, this is where I don’t budge. And along those lines, what’s going to be different in 2012, when all these tax cuts again are up for expiration?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, what’s going to be different in 2012 we’ve just discussed, which is we will have had two years to discuss the budget -- not in the abstract, but in concrete terms. Over the last two years, the Republicans have had the benefit of watching us take all these emergency actions, having us preside over a $1.3 trillion deficit that we inherited and just pointing fingers and saying, that’s their problem.

Well, over the next two years, they’re going to have to show me what it is that they think they can do. And I think it becomes pretty clear, after you go through the budget line by line, that if in fact they want to pay for $700 billion worth of tax breaks to wealthy individuals, that that’s a lot of money and that the cuts -- corresponding cuts that would have to be made are very painful. So either they rethink their position, or I don’t think they’re going to do very well in 2012. So that’s on the first point.

With respect to the bottom line in terms of what my core principles are --

Q Where is your line in the sand?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, I’ve got a whole bunch of lines in the sand. Not making the tax cuts for the wealthy permanent -- that was a line in the sand. Making sure that the things that most impact middle-class families and low-income families, that those were preserved -- that was a line in the sand. I would not have agreed to a deal, which, by the way, some in Congress were talking about, of just a two-year extension on the Bush tax cuts and one year of unemployment insurance, but meanwhile all the other provisions, the Earned Income Tax Credit or other important breaks for middle-class families like the college tax credit, that those had gone away just because they had Obama’s name attached to them instead of Bush’s name attached to them.

So this notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much reminds me of the debate that we had during health care. This is the public option debate all over again. So I pass a signature piece of legislation where we finally get health care for all Americans, something that Democrats had been fighting for for a hundred years, but because there was a provision in there that they didn’t get that would have affected maybe a couple of million people, even though we got health insurance for 30 million people and the potential for lower premiums for 100 million people, that somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise.

Now, if that’s the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let’s face it, we will never get anything done. People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people. And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.


That can’t be the measure of how we think about our public service. That can’t be the measure of what it means to be a Democrat. This is a big, diverse country. Not everybody agrees with us. I know that shocks people. The New York Times editorial page does not permeate across all of America. Neither does The Wall Street Journal editorial page. Most Americans, they’re just trying to figure out how to go about their lives and how can we make sure that our elected officials are looking out for us. And that means because it’s a big, diverse country and people have a lot of complicated positions, it means that in order to get stuff done, we’re going to compromise. This is why FDR, when he started Social Security, it only affected widows and orphans. You did not qualify. And yet now it is something that really helps a lot of people. When Medicare was started, it was a small program. It grew.

Under the criteria that you just set out, each of those were betrayals of some abstract ideal. This country was founded on compromise. I couldn’t go through the front door at this country’s founding. And if we were really thinking about ideal positions, we wouldn’t have a union.

So my job is to make sure that we have a North Star out there. What is helping the American people live out their lives? What is giving them more opportunity? What is growing the economy? What is making us more competitive? And at any given juncture, there are going to be times where my preferred option, what I am absolutely positive is right, I can’t get done.

And so then my question is, does it make sense for me to tack a little bit this way or tack a little bit that way, because I’m keeping my eye on the long term and the long fight -- not my day-to-day news cycle, but where am I going over the long term?

And I don’t think there’s a single Democrat out there, who if they looked at where we started when I came into office and look at where we are now, would say that somehow we have not moved in the direction that I promised.

Take a tally. Look at what I promised during the campaign. There’s not a single thing that I’ve said that I would do that I have not either done or tried to do. And if I haven’t gotten it done yet, I’m still trying to do it.

And so the -- to my Democratic friends, what I’d suggest is, let’s make sure that we understand this is a long game. This is not a short game. And to my Republican friends, I would suggest -- I think this is a good agreement, because I know that they’re swallowing some things that they don’t like as well, and I’m looking forward to seeing them on the field of competition over the next two years.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/07/press-conference-president
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:14 PM
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9. There’s not a single thing that I’ve said that I would do that I have not either done or tried to do
Like dropping Single Payer before the HCR debate even begun? Then failing to openly support the Public Option. Then failing to include ANYTHING in that 2000 page bill that actually reduces or even controls the growth of medical costs? Then failing to include ANYTHING that would limit the costs of health insurance premiums, nor anything to control the erosion of coverage (save the 85% mandate), nor anything to control the total out of pocket expense of a health insurance consumer, etc.

He's "tried" to do it. His legislation is called --even by the most centrist, most moderate analysts-- a "huge giveaway to the insurance industry and big pharma."

Yeah, we're soooo happy he was able to put a checkmark in the HCR block! Looking forward to the mandate that we all have to buy health insurance and be at the mercy of the most cruel and viciously profiteering industry in the history of mankind. Hooray!

In short: crap legislation is WORSE than no legislation at all.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:21 PM
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11. Promise Kept rulings on the Obameter
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:02 PM
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12. Yum, yum. He tossed us a few bones - while cleaning out the pantry to give to the rich
I'm satisfied now. Thanks for setting me straight!
:sarcasm:

On the HCR: how many people are going to die between 2010 and 2014? Over 40,000 people die each year due to lack of health insurance. "The requirement to cover people with pre-existing conditions doesn't kick in until 2014." Wow. Thanks for only killing 160,000 Americans! I'm happy with the health care bill now. I don't know why I was griping before...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:14 PM
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10. All the Spin in the World Won't Change the FACTS
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:12 PM
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16. Some don't know what the FACTS are.....
they didn't want to hear when Pres. Obama clearly stated that he didn't want to give tax cuts to the rich, but in order to have the votes to maintain the tax cuts for the Middle Class, he had to Compromise. Said the American Middle Class were being held hostage.

In otherwords, those who are spinning that Obama "wanted" to give the rich tax cuts, or that he had no problem with it, that spin is a lie, and nothing more. Obama wanted to hold on to the middle tax cuts (because the damage done to each household without them is measurably devasting), and decided that since there was no votes for the bills cutting taxes only for the rich (there were two failed votes in congress to prove it), he had to compromise, knowing he would take the heat. He did it, and those are the FACTS.
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