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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:55 PM
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What might Saul Alinsky say to Obama?
That's the job -- to unsettle them, to make them start asking questions, to teach them to stop talking and start acting, because the fat cats in charge never hear with their ears, only through their rears. I'm not saying it's going to be easy; thermopolitically, the middle classes are rooted in inertia, conditioned to look for the safe and easy way, afraid to rock the boat. But they're beginning to realize that boat is sinking and unless they start bailing fast, they're going to go under with it. The middle class today is really schizoid, torn between its indoctrination and its objective situation. The instinct of middle-class people is to support and celebrate the status quo, but the realities of their daily lives drill it home that the status quo has exploited and betrayed them.


The first thing we have to do when we come into a community is to break down those justifications for inertia. We tell people, "Look, you don't have to put up with all this shit. There's something concrete you can do about it. But to accomplish anything you've got to have power, and you'll only get it through organization. Now, power comes in two forms -- money and people. You haven't got any money, but you do have people, and here's what you can do with them." And we showed the workers in the packing houses how they could organize a union and get higher wages and benefits, and we showed the local merchants how their profits would go up with higher wages in the community, and we showed the exploited tenants how they could fight back against their landlords. Pretty soon we'd established a community-wide coalition of workers, local businessmen, labor leaders and housewives -- our power base -- and we were ready to do battle.


The first and most important thing you can do to win this acceptance is to bait the power structure into publicly attacking you. In Back of the Yards, when I was first establishing my credentials, I deliberately maneuvered to provoke criticism. I made outrageous statements to the press, I attacked every civic and business leader I could think of, and I goaded the establishment to strike back. The Chicago Tribune, one of the most right-wing rags in the country at the time, branded me a subversive menace and spokesmen for the meat packers denounced me as a dangerous enemy of law and order. Now, these were the same forces that were screwing the average Joe in Back of the Yards, and the minute he saw those attacks he said, "That guy Alinsky must be all right if he can get those bastards that pissed off; he must have something or they wouldn't be so worried." So I used what I call psychological jujitsu on the establishment, and it provided me with my credentials, my birth certificate, in all the communities I ever organized.


All life is warfare, and it's the continuing fight against the status quo that revitalizes society, stimulates new values and gives man renewed hope of eventual progress. The struggle itself is the victory. History is like a relay race of revolutions; the torch of idealism is carried by one group of revolutionaries until it too becomes an establishment, and then the torch is snatched up and carried on the next leg of the race by a new generation of revolutionaries. The cycle goes on and on, and along the way the values of humanism and social justice the rebels champion take shape and change and are slowly implanted in the minds of all men even as their advocates falter and succumb to the materialistic decadence of the prevailing status quo.


Good or bad advice, in your view?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 05:00 PM
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1. Alinsky is God.
Actually, I'm a polytheist because I also think Willie Nelson and Bernie Sanders are God.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:45 PM
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2. still sounds like the opposite of what Obama is doing.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:03 PM
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3. He'd say, "I feel very sorry for you. It seems that liberals are seeking in a president...
what they should be seeking in a labor leader. They also refuse to organize and seriously challenge the status quo en masse. It seems that they are hanging the responsibility of an entire population on your shoulders."
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:20 PM
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5. Spot on.
We have a President who said on the night he was elected that we need an organized movement from the ground up to help him. He said it often during the campaign.

What he got instead was a bunch of pundits and bloggers complaining about his every move. That ain't organizing.
The Tea Party organized. It's a deeply embarrassing moment in the history of the progressive movement that the right took better advantage of this opportunity than the left. Humiliating.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:56 PM
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8. Well it's sure as shit not OFA.
They're as useless as tits on a boar hog.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:58 AM
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16. See comment #15.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:03 AM
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22. So true
The left went home on Jan. 21st and let the Tea Party take over.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:03 AM
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21. Well said nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:17 PM
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4. "I attacked every civic and business leader I could think of".... Alinsky would be attacking Obama.
Alinsky was a lot closer to Glen Beck than I find comfortable.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:35 PM
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6. His Alinsky tactics don't always work.
For example, the part where Alinksy advises to "bait the power structure into publicly attacking you." Obama very successfully used this kind of "psychological jujitsu" during the campaign, but it doesn't work anymore.

The problem is that many left pundits and bloggers see the establishment attack Obama and don't assume it means he's doing something good. They see the corporate press attack Obama and assume every sensational headline and all anti-Obama spin must be true! Then they help spread the outrage spoon-fed to them by the establishment. So, around half of the netroots and pundits are acting too stupidly for this tactic to work anymore.

You should quote Alinsky's advice to the '68 convention protesters. It was good to see that plan come to fruition in 2008!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:12 PM
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13. What do you see as Obama's most outrageous attack on the establishment?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:05 AM
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17. BP oil spill speech.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 01:22 AM by Radical Activist
During that speech Obama:

1) Powerfully took on the Reagan anti-government, anti-regulation ideology.
2) Took on the most powerful industries in the world by calling for an end to our reliance on fossil fuels.

How did left pundits and bloggers respond? Well, we bitched and moaned about his completely insignificant call to pray. Like I give a shit.
Then it was panned by General Electric employee Keith Olbermann (big surprise). Did you notice how EXTREMELY defensive Olbermann got on Daily Kos about those who attacked him for criticizing that speech? hmmmmmm... Why did Olbermann get so defensive after he panned a Presidential speech that directly attacked the revenue sources and philosophy of his parent company, General Electric (the company that launched Reagan's career)? And the fucking dupes on the netroots went along with the pathetic griping instead of highlighting the very progressive message Obama delivered in that speech. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:50 PM
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7. Take as much as you can and keep pushing for more.
Alinsky had a much more pragmatic, non-ideological view than much of DU. It's easy to see how Obama was influenced by him.

At the end of his last book, Alinsky was working on getting middle class stock holders to use their shares to put pressure on large corporations. Obama specifically lobbied and got provisions in the financial reform bill that increase shareholder power. It will make it easier to carry out the kind of corporate accountability campaign Alinsky was working on toward the end of his life. Coincidence?

And the netroots remain completely oblivious to whats going on while they call Obama a corporatist. Fucking morons.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:56 PM
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9. good post
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:08 PM
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10. "Fucking morons"
Better than being a fucking corporate asslicker.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:13 AM
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18. Corporations hate corporate accountability campaigns.
Obama just gave a big bargaining chip to any union, environmental organization, or consumer advocacy group that runs corporate accountability campaigns. CEO's hate that Obama did that. And you still call Obama a corporate asslicker. Jesuschrist wake up get a fucking clue.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:54 AM
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19. No, I was calling you one. eom
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:10 PM
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12. Do you think OFA's LttE campaign to support pay freezes is Alinsky-style organizing?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:39 PM
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24. Did you find his advice to the '68 convention protesters yet?
I think you should post it in this thread. I loaned out all my copies of Rules for Radical so I can't transcribe it at the moment.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:10 PM
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11. the trouble is- chicago is paying the price for alinsky's win
the failure to build the crosstown expressway has cost millions and millions in lost time, wasted fuel, and pollution. kids have died of asthma thanks to the selfishness that alinsky incited.
sorry, not a fan of saul's.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:16 PM
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14. At least he didn't lease your parking meters for nearly a century at a discount
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 09:17 PM by jpgray
But yeah, his monomania has its good points and bad points.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:20 AM
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20. you know, that really isn't what happened.
it isn't nearly as outrageous as 'leased the parking meters'.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:50 AM
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23. He'd probably say "Help! Let me out of this coffin!"
;)
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