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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:23 AM
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Bernie Sanders on Rachel Maddow: "we need a tea party of progressives"
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Rachel Maddow: do you feel like you are alone in making that case you made today in that impassioned speech? do you feel like you have allies in washington in the senate?

Bernie Sanders: i have allies but not a lot. our real allies are with the american people who are sick and tired of hearing republicans talking about the deficit at the same time as they want to give $700 billion in tax breaks to people who don't need it and rachel, all of this takes place at a time when the top 1% have seen a huge increase in their income and now earn more money than the bottom 50%. this makes sense to nobody except my friends in the republican party on the senate.

Rachel Maddow: do you feel, though, in making that case democrats agree with you by in large on this as a matter of policy? but we're not hearing very many people make as sharp an argument about it, certainly as an impassioned an argument about it as you are. a lot of the biggest voices, the most powerful voices on the democratic side have been talking from the very beginning about compromise and sort of half measures on this.

Bernie Sanders: well, you know, i fear that you're right, rachel. and i think the point you made a moment ago in your production about, you know, the president constantly compromising is a sad but true point. look, what these republicans want is very clear. it's not just the tax breaks today. what they want to do, really, and i don't want to get people nervous, but they really do want to move this country back into the 1920s. they want to privatize and eliminate social security. they are not staying up nights worrying about what happens when elderly people become sick and have no place to go. they want to cut back on pell grants. they certainly want to eliminate the authority of the epa so that the coal companies, oil companies can do whatever they want. the republicans have an agenda. they're pretty open and honest about it. they've rallied their troops. what the president and the democratic leadership and all of us have got to do is rally our troops. we need a tea party of progressives who are going to demand the democratic leadership and the president fight for the middle class and for working families.

Rachel Maddow: what's going to happen with unemployment benefits? in this short session in the senate? as you know, unemployment benefits expire for millions of americans at midnight tonight because of the senate not taking action today. do you have any hope that those will be extended in this session?

Bernie Sanders: i certainly hope so. look, we are suffering through, as everybody knows, a horrendous recession. one of the key features of this is long-term unemployment. in vermont all over this country, you have people who can't find work, who have no income at all and to leave those people hanging out there with nothing is not only immoral, it's bad economics. if you provide extended unemployment to people who need it they're going to spend that money, they're going to stimulate the economy. but we have got to address that issue. i want you, just to get back to this point. the republicans want to give for the billionaires in this country, people like rupert murdoch, a million a dollars a year in tax breaks, yet they are balking, resisting providing unemployment compensation for people who have no jobs. i think, you know, that is just horrendo horrendous.

Rachel Maddow: senator, when i hear the president come out of that meeting with republicans today and say he thinks republicans are approaching this with a spirit of trying to work together, as you noted from my intro, it strikes me as detached from the reality where republicans admit they are. is it possible the white house is gaming this out in a way we cannot see, that i'm missing something, that there's a broader strategy here that doesn't work at face value?

Bernie Sanders: well you know, rachel, a couple of years ago i might have suggested that, yeah, maybe we're missing something. maybe the president is on to something. look, the bottom line is, everybody wants, you know, the democrats, the republicans, the president to work together. people don't want to see the fractious contentiousness that we're having right now. but the president has got to have learned something in the last two years. what you have just shown right on your tv there is these guys are very clear. they want to destroy the obama presidency. their job is to represent millionaires and billionaires. they really do want to privatize social security. they really do not want young people to be able to get help in order to go to college. at some point you have to learn that lesson. they do not want to work with you. and the alternative approach rather than keep going back with a cup in your hand is to rally the american people, the vast majority of whom support you. most people think it is absurd to give tax breaks to billionaires when you have a $13 trillion national debt. most people think it is appropriate and moral and right to make sure people who are unemployed have money come in so their families do not become desperate. we have the ideas that the american people agree with, we need the president and the leadership to start rallying those people and start putting the republicans on the defensive.

Rachel Maddow: independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. thank you for your time tonight, sir.

Bernie Sanders: good to be with you.


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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:25 AM
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1. Yes we do!
mocha party
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:35 AM
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2. Isn't that what Obama asked for on election night?
He said we need a movement to create change from the ground up. He said he needed help. What he got was a lot of pundits and bloggers who think activism is non-stop complaining.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:42 AM
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5. Complaining? Complaining is when you have a gripe or two.
What we have is en masse desertion by people who all but spilled blood to get Obama elected but feel he's turned their back on them. I figure we can bad mouth each of those individuals and continue calling them 'whiners,' implying they should STFU, OR we can get ONE man, the president, to unite the entire party by just standing on a freaking principle that matters to those disaffected, estranged voters. We tried the first way with this last election and it didn't work out so well. TRY SOMETHING ELSE!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:04 AM
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9. huh
Obama has stood for progressive principles many times in the past two years, and he rarely had progressive pundits stand in support behind him.

If you think all it takes is ONE man to accomplish anything at all in this country then you will always be disappointed no matter who that man or woman is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:04 AM
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11. "OR we can get ONE man, the president, to unite the entire party "
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 01:05 AM by ProSense
In this environment, one man cannot unite the Democratic Party. There are too many people with ulterior motives and agendas, and they're all focused on one man, the President.

Consider what Senator Sanders said.

"the republicans have an agenda. they're pretty open and honest about it. they've rallied their troops. what the president and the democratic leadership and all of us have got to do is rally our troops. we need a tea party of progressives who are going to demand the democratic leadership and the president fight for the middle class and for working families."

The only rallying the troops that Bernie Sanders does with a statement like this is rally people who want to believe he's denouncing the President. He said, "all of us have got to do is rally our troops."

Michael Bennet, the person everyone attacked the President for supporting, is a hero today because he said, "The whole conversation is rigged."

Who is responsible for unemployment failing in the Senate today? The President? Where are the leaders in the Senate? Why aren't they stepping up? What does extending unemployment have to do with the President's bully pulpit? This isn't the same as when the GOP blocked it over the summer and the President had weeks to speak out about it. This was a vote everyone knew was coming, and it takes place on the last day, and fails.

Rallying the troops does not mean attack the President and call him names, it means organizing and putting pressure on Senators and the President. It works, it worked with the foreclosure bill. It's not going to work in every instance, but that's how it is.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 AM
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3. This would require unity of thought...
.... something we've never been particularly good at.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:52 AM
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7. Well said.
People yell at the POTUS for not forcefully articulating a single message when nobody here can agree on what that message is.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:55 AM
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8. And THAT was well said. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:46 PM
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27. Because you think the Tea Party has an unity of thought? Really?
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 02:47 PM by Mass
The only thing they agree to is lower taxes (and even then, they can agree on what to cut to reach this goal) . For the rest, they go in all directions.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:38 AM
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4. You have no idea how often I've heard Bernie S. & said WHY CAN'T WE
HAVE MORE LIKE HIM????
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:47 AM
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6. Nothing is going to change until the wealthy start paying some prices.
I'm waiting for a large group of people with absolutely nothing to lose to wake up and raid a few of their homes. The people in charge have absolutely no reason whatsoever to fear us. They can do as much harm to us as humanly possible and it won't make a damned bit of difference as long as there's a Democrat or other favorite boogeyman (the poor, the leftists, women, students, minorities, etc) to blame for it all.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:04 AM
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10. Okay. Where do we start? I'm in. Can we get any frickin' media coverage?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:12 AM
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12. It won't have the same impact. We're rational
We'll keep voting for Democrats because we know the alternative is so much worse. Because of that Democrats can take our votes for granted.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:20 AM
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13. Well
it shaped Blanche Lincoln up long enough to offer a solid amendment to the Wall Street Reform bill, just not in time for it to matter in her re-election. It's a process that has to be ongoing.

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ezmerelda39 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:22 AM
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14. It is not what Obama says
It is what he does. And, what he does is not what those who voted for him want. He is being told what to say and what to do by those who own him. He is a well kept President, one who is obedient and says and does what he is told. He is living in a house of cards built on a foundation of propaganda and deception. Obama may have had ideals at one time but everyone has an Achilles heel and money talks louder than anything else, louder than convictions and louder than morals. Money talks. If it didn't work the lobbyists would not invest so much money in 'convincing' our esteemed elected officials to their way of thinking. Ordinary men and women become richer than their wildest dreams by playing their way. We, the voters, who voted for them for their 'honest intentions' have been led down the garden path. We can not offer them riches, only the knowledge that they have done their best for what is best for the country. God Bless Bernie Sanders and the true and honest value of his convictions.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:28 AM
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17. I don't buy that
"It is what he does. And, what he does is not what those who voted for him want."

For one, Senator Sanders strongly supported much of the President's legislative achievements, from health care reform to Wall Street Reform. What he's saying is that a progressive push could make things better, give the President more leverage.

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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:22 AM
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15. We need a movement
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 01:24 AM by Mosaic
At the very least, otherwise we're totally unorganized and ineffective. 'Tea party' is such a dainty name for such depraved individuals, I'm sure we could come up with something better.
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Citizens_United Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:08 PM
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28. Does anyone know how to do video editing to make commercials?
I don't know how many people here listen to Norman Goldman but I thought that he had a really good idea. He was saying how Progressives need to start making commercials of their own, like Karl Rove was doing, and just start airing them from now until the elections.(normangoldman.com November 4th show, free podcast BTW) I have ideas for commercials but suck at the video editing. I am working with people in my area to try and get something going here in Chicago, but I would like to work with people across the US. If anyone wants to work with me let me know.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:23 AM
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16. How funny... I stumbled across this.
But the funny thing is, those who have joined hardly contribute on their own. The owner seems to do all the talking.

Maybe if more joined, became active, and organized, we may have something.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/home.php?sk=group_1...
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:02 AM
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18. We already have, they're just too busy whining in their blog to actually go out and do something
Obama begged for something like this the whole campaign and on election night, but what progressives has done? They want home to their computers and started bitching about not getting their pony.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:23 PM
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22. Yep
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:13 PM
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19. How much more like teabaggers could progressives get?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:15 PM
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20. There WAS one.
The administration continuously told them to shut up.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:21 PM
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21. Yep. Still, Sanders is right - it's a liberal rebirth or teabagger nation. nt
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:28 PM
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23. Unfortunately, we can't have one without the other.
It took 8 crazy years of teabagger nation to create the progressive movement that swept Obama into the White House in 2008.

They tried desperately to have his back, but were forced into fighting against him as The Great Capitulater, inexplicably pissed away the greatest opportunity in a generation to actually get something done.

I fear it will take ANOTHER patch of time with teabagger nation to form another liberal rebirth and thus, opportunity for fundamental change.

I only hope we choose a better champion next time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:29 PM
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24. The ultimate triumph will come when liberals and teabaggers become citizens...
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 01:30 PM by polichick
...united against corporate power.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:48 PM
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25. Truer words never spoken!!! n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:52 PM
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26. Fuck tea. How about a Beer Party n/t
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:14 PM
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29. I think that is what DU should be. I would like to see DU move to back only Dem's
who are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
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