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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:12 PM
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It's Called Propaganda.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 12:10 AM by David Zephyr
It's no longer just a happenstance: When President Obama travels out on the campaign trail, when the crowds are, by any standard, enormous, when the power of that visual image does not conform with the corporate media's narrative, then one can now expect that there will be little to no coverage of the President's speeches, there will be virtually no sweeping camera shots of the sizes of the crowds, and if, by any chance, there is to be media coverage of the President, you can count on it that his message will be dismissed or talked over by some media spokesperson.

This week, a former President of the United State, Bill Clinton, stood alongside his former rival, former California Governor Jerry Brown, and with the Mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, before a crowd over over 5,000 gathered at UCLA. If there was ever a local news story here in Los Angeles, that was it. At my home, we monitored the local KABC and KCBS television "news" that evening at 11PM in hopes of seeing some of the event. Well, guess what was the breaking news story headlining the evening news here in Los Angeles? It was Sarah Palin speaking to a few hundred people at a GOP rally down in San Diego, presented with breathless narration of how well she was received. And as for President Clinton, Governor Brown, Mayor Newsom and their rally at UCLA? Well, you already know the answer. There was nothing.

Think about that: An event with an eight-year President, a former eight-year Governor of the largest state in the nation, and the Mayor of San Francisco standing on one stage at UCLA does not rise to "news" priority level as that of a 1/2 term Governor of Alaska visiting down in San Diego. Well, that pretty much sums it all up.

When a teabag rally of a hundred crazies -- with the spelling attributes of a nine-year old -- gets prominent news coverage, when Glen Beck's "rally" is feverishly monitored by every news outlet in America along with echoing his "big lie" of a million people being in attendance, you can be sure that there's an undeniable, unprecedented collusion among our consolidated media moguls. Yeah, I know, I'm crazy, but even this fool can tell you there's been a corporate handshake and a wink.

President Obama could speak to a crowd of 1/2 million people tomorrow, but if Sarah Palin happens to twitter that afternoon, well, guess what will be covered?

There's an orchestrated, narrative that is being sent to every American within earshot or eye-shot of any corporate media today. And, apparently, it is very important for Americans to get the memo: the narrative is that the Republican Party, that has nearly destroyed this nation, is now, somehow, the darling of the American People. Anything that negates that narrative will simply not be reported.

It's obvious who the corporate controlled media wants to run the Congress now. And it's obvious that they will make no bones about presenting any fig-leaf of impartiality the next two weeks.

There is a job to be done. And there is a message prepared and to be delivered.

Call it by it's name: It's propaganda.

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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:20 PM
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1. and it is not new either
and it has frightened me for my adult life as it just goes on and on getting worse and worse.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:15 AM
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9. Well it was what Lincoln had in mine when he said "You can fool all of the people some of the time

or fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:21 AM
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10. Lincoln was amazing.
I can't help but reflect on Chuck Todd and David Gregory and their corporate, toadie behavior of late.

I also can't help but believe that the American People still may surprise these jerks in November with an upset to their narrative.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:54 AM
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53. Don't hold your breath. The American people won't.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:45 PM
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78. Don't hold your breath.
Remember..... Bush never really won an election. People are dumb....but not that dumb.

I can guarantee the Conservs will not do as well as we are being told they will do. But that is still scary.

A great thing would be if even more Dems were in the House and Senate than now.... but....
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:41 PM
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75. people need to contact their local news affiliates and tell them they see what they're doing
write letters to the editor of your local newspaper to tell others.

post this on your facebook page and ask friends to pass it on. create a blog to keep track of these things and link to it where ever you post online.

this is how the right wing worked the media - not that the media needs encouragement since they are corporate whores, but if they know you're aware and you're telling others - we can see changes.

if people want to start a campaign to protest on the sidewalk (peacefully) in front of news stations, other news stations may pick it up - or newspapers.

if people want to organize a boycott or complain to their cable co. that they do not want to pay for stations that engage in right-wing propaganda - and follow thru by canceling subscriptions - that's something the media understands.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:22 PM
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2. And they're soooooo good at it. nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:11 AM
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13. Polished, huh, gately?
Yeah, they are good at it, but then they own almost every communication pipeline now. Michael Powell delivered that during the Bush Administration.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:24 PM
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3. Absolutely! The media is trying to brainwash us. . .and, unfortunately
It is succeeding with too many people!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:55 PM
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79. It is succeeding with too many people!
because of years of championing "gut" thinking. There's no rational thinking going on.

The lack of "arts" are key. If you do or go to theatre a lot, you become aware of when someone is acting and you start to recognize how you can be manipulated thru imagery. Studying painting and sculpture helps in this too, as well as music. Music can "move" you without words and you can become attuned to that.... if you ever hear any music without words that is. With the "song" being about the only kind of music anyone listens to these days.... where the lyrics tell you what it's about, not the music, the effects of soundtracks and muzak go unnoticed.

Even people who have trouble with Math and Science can get these things down pat with enough exposure. The NEA ....HAD TO GO!
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 04:41 PM
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104. Very interesting theory! Thanks!
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:25 PM
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4. Why? whywhywhywhy WHY???
WHY would the MSM be trying to tear him and other Dems down like this?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:35 PM
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5. There can only be one reason: They FEAR the Right.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:43 PM
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7. They ARE the Right.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:15 AM
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14. Exactly. Follow the ownership:
ABC: Disney
NBC/MSNBC/CNBC:: GE
CBS: Viacom
CNN: Time Warner

Those are all Corporate interests who benefit when Republicans protect their tax breaks and funnel contracts to their subcompanies. Simple.

And there isn't even any need to wonder about Fox "News".
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:07 AM
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35. Speaking of Time Warner
I have Road Runner for isp and the news headlines the last week have been all doom and gloom for the Dems. They are going all out for there right e\wing masters.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:11 AM
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29. Money. The answer is always The Money. They don't get the sensationalism or
tabloid-ish feel when they cover serious, adult candidates who don't pronounce whack statements. They don't get the ratings, they don't get the advertising revenue, they don't get The Money.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:33 AM
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46. to maintain control of the money
follow the money.

if we got too big for our britches and too 'socialiistic' why those outsourced jobs may not have gone.

those billions on pharmaceuticals may not have been spent and the drug companies may not be able to sell those drugs on tv like candy as they do now

factory prisons may not exist for corporate profit

environmental issues may take more importance.

Everything to keep the little guy down and out and too weak to fight back and transfer their sweat equity to the top tier. Its like the medieval times but we just smell a bit better.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #46
83. Wow... I suppose tihs is obvious,
but it's so damn cynical...I guess I'm in denial...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:42 PM
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6. 'Public relations'
In the United States of America, Edward L. Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, is widely recognized as the father of public relations. In Europe and in antiquity there are many more contenders as the founders of the practice. Most notably, according to Bournemouth academic, Dr Kevin Moloney, Georgiana Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire with her political activism, use of printed news outlets, events management and social gatherings in the late 18th century in favour of her, predominantly, political clients, has a claim to be an early practitioner.

Two hundred years after the death of the Duchess, Bernays graduated from Cornell University in 1912 and opened the first recognized public-relations firm with Doris Fleischman in 1919.<8> As Harold Lasswell explained in 1928, "public relations" was a term used as a way of shielding the profession from the ill repute increasingly associated with the word "propaganda": "Propaganda has become an epithet of contempt and hate, and the propagandists have sought protective coloration in such names 'public relations council,' 'specialist in public education,' 'public relations adviser.' "<9>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations#History

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Aristophrenia Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:06 PM
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86. Bernays was behind the sinking of
the Louisthiatania - think about it - I place him squarely as one of the most evil men in history alongside McNamara, Kissinger, Dulce, Cheyney.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:04 AM
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8. It should be a crime...
when it is so pre-meditated...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:44 AM
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11. David, I'm sending this to Chris Matthews and a few other idiots at CNN to read.....
because it is true, and we should be making noise about this.....to their corporate assholy faces.

Thanks for this OP. I will let whomever I send this to, that a Friend of my wrote it....and that their propaganda is becoming obvious to most of us.

I think we should all write and call and tell them, we ain't got amnesia, even if they are hoping that if they say the big lies enough, we'll believe it!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:47 AM
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12. Thanks. I mean, hell, we might as well call off the election since we've been informed the results.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 01:49 AM by David Zephyr
David Gregory opening on Meet the Press this morning wasted not even 30 seconds before launching into the narrative that the GOP will sweep the election.

It's no longer corporate media pushing a favored candidate here and there, it's just an orchestrated campaign of...propaganda.

I still believe in what I wrote at the beginning of October: there' a "new Silent Majority".

Democrats are going to show up and vote regardless of what they are being told to do and to think. :)
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JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:44 PM
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64. But thanks to Diebold etc. those votes probably won't count
I believe that is the main reason for the 24/7 "Republicans will sweep the elections" narrative. Cover for massive vote counting fraud.
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 11:07 PM
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105. +1000 It is a set up to steal votes / psychological operation to
make it appear inevitable, and thus a self-fulfilling prophecy when it happens.

I just wish we could do a random audit and exit poll that would catch it once and for all.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:21 AM
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15. Thanks for all you do, Frenchiecat
It takes a lot of energy to keep on top of things like you do.

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KossackRealityCheck Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:41 AM
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16. That's stark! nt
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:50 AM
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17. rec
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:55 AM
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18. Yeah, I've noticed that too.
"President Obama could speak to a crowd of 1/2 million people tomorrow, but if Sarah Palin happens to twitter that afternoon, well, guess what will be covered?"

This says it all....
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KossackRealityCheck Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:21 AM
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19. Update:"Obama could speak to a crowd of 1/2 million"
According to a DKer, the crowd in Ohio was about 50,000. Yahoo estimates 35,000.

So your prediction came true. I haven't been watching tv but haven't heard anything about this on radio.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:52 AM
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33. The only comment was some predictable snark on Fux News
where they announced something to the effect of 'how embarrasing for Obama, that his rally drew so few people compared tpo Beck's'. Really!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:26 AM
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20. To be fair, watching Palin is like watching a train wreck
:evilgrin:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:39 AM
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21. The MSM does not report reality, it manufactures it.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 05:55 AM
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99. Our national airways have been coopted by the political priorities of Network Advertisers (Big Oil,
Big Insurance, Big Auto, Big Pharma, Big Banks) -- just look at the commercials -- they tell the story of HOW the news is covered these days.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:25 AM
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22. Great post. Thank you.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:29 AM
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23. Terrific post, David Zephyr. Rec'd. nt
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2critical Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:45 AM
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24. Ya think? EOM
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Just One Woman Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:50 AM
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25. Well done!
Very good. Thank you.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:51 AM
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26. You are absolutely right.
And it has become more obvious every day. It seems they don't even need to hide it any longer. What a country.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:55 AM
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27. Without a doubt!
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:58 AM
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28. Our President
could stop the propaganda at any time. He appoints the FCC chief. He could have the Fairness Doctrine Reinstated at any time....................yes, it is one HUGE conspiracy.
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:16 AM
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30. Couldn't agree more. K&R
The real info is out there, for those astute enough to look. The peripherally informed ( at best ) are the ones falling for the propaganda. Unfortunately there's so many of them.
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rainlillie Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:38 AM
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31. Excellent post! I look forward to reading more from you.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:39 AM
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32. It's maddening, isn't it?
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 09:39 AM by HughMoran
It almost makes one want to consider insurrection (at times.)
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:56 AM
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34. Just Say NO to the M$M
Fuck them and every rotten piece of propaganda they peddle as "news."
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Stellar Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:07 AM
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36. Agreed! I've noticed that some of my favorite bloggers
who've just moved to the MSM, and people like Howard Fineman are putting a knife in the back of Obama now since he's with Huffington Post. It's one thing for him to be a critical thinker on matters, but to be outright nasty is deplorable. Then he'll go on Olbermann's show that night and sound like a different person. I guess he's meant to be Arianna's clone...pretending to be a Democrat.

http://www.alternet.org/media/148263/huffpo%27s_new_hire_howard_fineman_--ultimate_insider_journalist%2C_pushes_dems_to_the_right/

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:13 AM
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37. Propaganda honed to perfection. Rec. nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:18 AM
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38. You nailed it
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:46 AM
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39. Lead story on RoadRunner this morning
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:53 AM
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52. Pacifist Patriot, how many times can a "lead story" be a lead story?
First, thank you for providing the link to what you correctly called "tripe".

Same mantra, same "story", replayed and replayed over and over, and as "the lead story".

Several months ago, I asked this same question, how can the same story be "breaking news" over and over again. I should do a search to find it.

It's not a broken record, it's on auto replay by the corporate media to shape public opinion, to suppress Democratic turnout.

It's propaganda.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 08:48 AM
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100. Indeed. I was really put off that Road Runner thought this worthy of
being first in the list of news items for the day. Buried toward the bottom it still wouldn't have been either "earth-shattering" or "news."
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:30 PM
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57. It's being repeated over and over again in broadcast M$M
:puke:

Katie Couric was positively gleeful as she shared this "news."
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:58 AM
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40. Political ads are the mother's milk of the MSM. Controversy escalates ad buys.
The MSM's bottom line loves every thirty seconds of it!

Television "news" need not be truthful. We learned that from Steve Wilson and Jane Akers' court battle with Fox over a news report on BHG.

What you see on your teevee screen is the MSM maximizing their profits. It's called good ol' American capitalism.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:00 AM
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41. Amen, no one should trust the M$M
Or the comedian/pundits. We have other places to get our news now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:05 AM
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42. How many people agreed with the MSM
when the President accused the Chamber of Commerce skirting campaign finance laws?

The President's message gets stepped on repeatedly based on media reports.

"It's obvious who the corporate controlled media wants to run the Congress now." Agree, but that's been obvious long before this rally.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:07 AM
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43. Excellent
points my friend. K and R.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:27 AM
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44. K & R
:thumbsup:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:32 AM
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45. KNR! n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:35 AM
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47. It's becoming the norm.
:grr:
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:38 AM
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48. Between propaganda and electronic voting,
we are truly in danger of losing what we have. This and internet neutrality is threatened, because it empowers people. What would we do without a free internet? Without DU?

The most important thing to remember is that ridiculing the idea of propaganda is part of the propaganda-their sole purpose is to distract and obstruct from the real issues. And they do this by saturating the news with tragedy, blood and pain, in order to overload our emotions with anxiety, outrage and shock so that we do not have the capacity to psychologically take on any more bad news. It is normal to dismiss vital issues when our stress levels are overloaded. All this stimulation and entertainment internet provides is all good until it becomes just another drug to help us stay off course.

What are some missions of this propaganda? They want us to paint a violent and threatening view of the world so we lose trust in each other, to break the chance of solidarity and community. Propaganda use stories to change people's view of the world. Their increasingly dystopian views with forceful armies and police, violence and cruelty have indoctrinated generations unconsciously with too many of these images, and this is the worst state of denial to imagine this is not having any effect on society!

Another reason for telling endless violent stories, besides conditioning, is intimidation which disempowers people into thinking that these rich people are infinitely more powerful than they really are. Yes the powers that be are powerful, but they are as human as you and me!

A third mission of propaganda is to prevent us from thinking ahead and keeping steps ahead of them, this is important. There is nothing wrong with being prepared, while staying calm and sane, and this is what I gather from this OP. Someone has to stay at least one step ahead of these people, in every group you have to have some scouts or you will be defeated as a group.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:43 AM
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50. +1. . . . . . I have seldom seen this expressed more succinctly!
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syberlion Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:16 PM
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69. Money does not equal Free Speech...
That is the message we have to get across to Americans. With Citizen's United it makes the message harder to get out there, but that is the message we have to push. Watching the attack ads, the question I ask is who's funding them? Then the next question is, ok, I supposedly know why not to vote for this person, why should I vote for your candidate? That's the thing, it's attack and leave a bad feeling for one candidate so when you go to the polls, you're reacting to a gut-level response to vote against someone, instead of for someone or something. Propaganda.

Eventually, there will be propaganda fatigue. Hopefully before it is too late. As to the comment about the Rich and Powerful being rich and powerful... There are many more of us than there are of them and as long as they pick us apart and keep us divided, black against white against brown against gay against religious against poor against middle-class against "them", they will maintain control. The biggest fear they have is when we get ourselves fully galvanized and immunized against their propaganda and become truly organized, they will never bother us again, and they are scared spit-less if that happens.

Until we can educate Americans of who these people really are, we can not break through their propaganda. There are more of us than there are of them, and when we take each and every opportunity to educate the people around us we will win, period. Money is not Free Speech, pass it on...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:39 AM
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49. HEY MEDIA..MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE ON TO YOU!!!!
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 11:41 AM by annabanana
You will no longer be able to sell shit.

Pravda was bush league.. but you guys are standing there NAKED.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:48 AM
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51. Right Out of the Goebbels Playbook
99% of the people have no idea of the big demonstration that happened in DC during Bush's installemt as president in 2001 after the Supreme Court coup. The MSM bent over backward to block shots so as not to show any of it.

Stewart and Colbert will draw large crowns to DC on 10/30 but if 33 teabaggers get together somewhere that will get the coverage.

Democracy in the US is slipping away.

Look at what happened after the 2004 presidential race where the exit polls had Kerry winning by a few points but it got flipped to Bush in the election.

The exit polls have been amazingly accurate through time but the media's slant has people believing the problem was with the exit polls , not the actual vote. As if computerized voting could not possibly be used to manipulate the vote. BTW the same thing happened with Cleland/nut case extraordinaire Demint.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:06 PM
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54. Pravda
Sickening.

K&R to your OP David, rock on. :yourock:

Julie
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:09 PM
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55. K&R n/t
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:27 PM
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56. Spot on!
Thank you! :yourock:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:44 PM
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58. Please....
Folks reading this should Contact the media.

Here's a list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=481060&mesg_id=481060

Call and leave a message or something.....
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:48 PM
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59. The M$M are the lapdogs of the filthy rich.
They support the mandated "narrative" required to ship your jobs overseas, destroy social programs, and cripple government oversight.

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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:02 PM
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60. Can it back-fire?
I know all this talk of a sweeping election will get me out to vote, come hell or high water. I even told my husband, who's usually "too busy" for the midterms, that he's coming with me if I have to drag him by his collar.
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demi moore Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:05 PM
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61. go to the rally.
a costume is a good idea..

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:05 PM
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62. People like hearing Palin talk because it cleans the dustballs out of their TV speakers
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 01:06 PM by zulchzulu
For that, the media is doing a great public service.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:08 PM
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63. So what?
what's the point of this post? :shrug:
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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:48 PM
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65. Okay; let's just suppose...
Tea Baggers and Republicans take over.

They decide to end all entitlements.
No unemployment, food stamps, general assiatance, Medical, Medicare, Social Security.

What happens to the elderly, who will soon be us?

What happens to the sick and infirm?

What happens to the inherently lazy, poor and stupid Americans, of which there are indeed many, many of which are in the Tea Bagger movement and they don't even know this about themselves?

Who will feed these people in our already financially strapped economy?

Will there be people, once middle class, starving on the sidewalks of America so that we can pay off the deficit?

Let's say they end all forms of birth control.

What happens to all the children born of the people mentioned above?
Will the politicians considerind government funding for massive ovens to cleanse the population of unwanted (not to mention unaffordable) children born to the persons mentioned above?

I already know what they hate;
they seem to have NO IDEA what they would do instead.

I seriously would like answers to these questions.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:25 PM
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70. Any corporation that backs the most extremist group
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 02:26 PM by felix_numinous
bent on enabling armageddon is truly sociopathic. This is what super consolidation of power has done to these groups, as individuals they are perhaps likable (ok maybe that's a stretch)--but the larger the group encourages mob mentality. In this case, these super rich mega corporations are showing unmistakable signs of sociopathic disease. They have destroyed ecosystems, so giving support and voice to the most unstable, uneducated and bigoted group in our country is just another symptom of their psychopathy. From a a balanced point of view, they are culturally suicidal.

Interestingly I think as individuals most of the workers and employees are in denial about the destructive effects of their bosses. This is why the psychology of groups is so interesting, and why companies absolutely have to be kept down to a manageable size. Massively large groups are the perfect hiding places for criminals to hide in plain sight.

One trick is they have created so many smoke screens like using teabaggers as human shields, that it is difficult to know what to target. That is also one of their tactics, to hide behind brand names, and have their own private security. And they play dirty!!!



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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:25 PM
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81. Revolution.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:51 PM
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66. We watched the main stream news the other night. First story out was about the HUGE
Gathering of TeaBaggers, by the Talking Head's own admission, they numbered in the hundreds
- gasp!

Second story was about Carly and her successful campaigning for Barbara Boxer's office. And the third story was propaganda about how hated Obama is, because he wouldn't ask Bill Clinton to help campaign for him unless he was hated!

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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:52 PM
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67. Beautifully stated!
K&R :kick:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:00 PM
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68. This road doesn't end where they think it does...
... not in some Ayn Rand capitalist rape fantasy, but in a Hugo Chavez sort of socialism.

Do they really want to keep turning the screws on the American worker? What happens when the Right Wing Big Daddy Capitalist of the Western Empire collapses under the weight of it's own profound ignorance and unsustainable ideology?Where will the oligarchs go when their corporate strongholds are nationalized and their goon squads turn against them?

I think they'd best be looking for an FDR if they don't want a Fidel Castro.

It would be nice if we could have a modern social democracy, but maybe we haven't got it in us. Maybe the USA will always be a developing nation dressed up in a gaudy overpriced suit and driving an absurdly large car.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:45 PM
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71. I couldn't have said it better.
Believe me, I've tried. I remember the tea party movement starting, promoted by Dick Army's far right think tank and Fox News. It's far from a grass roots movement, rather it took some time to convince the Republican sheep of the anger they needed to have about distrusting this government, run by an African-American president, the same people that marched in locked step under the former Republican president, the same people who said if you don't like our president, leave the country; the same people who could care less about whether their news is trustworthy or not; the same people that love to hate them liberals. The media controls what too many people believe. Even liberals believe there is no liberal movement comparable to the tea party's, even though our ralleys have been much more organized, truly from the grassroots and in the thousands and even millions compared to a hundred or so. Despite their manipulated "polls", we are much stronger than they're ever admit caused then they'd lose their power over us. So I refuse to believe it cause it just isn't so.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:49 PM
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72. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, David Zephyr.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:07 PM
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73. One solution
An angry mob surrounds Pox News and someone drags Rupert the Pirate into the street where the angry mob issues Rupert the Mussolini treatment. You can bet your ass other media execs will take notice.
This is what these cretins understand.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:13 PM
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74. And the point of selling this narrative is so people won't ask questions
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 03:13 PM by tblue37
when the Republicans steal the election through electronic vote hacking.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:42 PM
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76. And so we...
I wonder, how many people on this forum work actively to get their friends and neighbors off mass media? Or do we just label them all hopeless and not even try?

Don't try and analyze it, modern propaganda is designed so that analysis is irrelevant. Analyzing your way through professionally designed propaganda is about as likely as kicking a meth or heroin addiction through sheer will power and intellect.

Even intellectual junk food is better than drinking the Kool-Aid.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:45 PM
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77. If you don't like the way the cable TV or other media report the news,
cancel your subscription. You can hook your TV set up to your computer and watch movies from Netflix on your TV. You can also get some of your favorite TV shows on the internet. That is what we do. That way, as consumers, we can pick and choose and in a sense vote for the media we like and ignore the rest.

I recommend that more DUers do what we have done.

Depending on your TV, you can hook it up to your internet with just a cable or you may be able to use other equipment.

Netflix has an on demand service that permits you to watch a lot of good movies and other things when you want without waiting for the mail to arrive.

Remember, every time you spend a dollar, you are voting.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:18 PM
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80. Welcome to America.
The change is that they are getting much more brazen.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:41 PM
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82. Gee, one would think that our Democrat leaders would say or do something to address this
type of thing in regard to our media. Surely we at DU are not the only ones that observe these blatant bits of propaganda and collusion between media outlets. With that in mind, all of us should wonder why our Dem leaders continue to fail to address this issue. These people cannot even pick the low hanging fruit by kicking that lying, drug-addled, hate merchant Rush Limbaugh off of Armed Services Network. For fuck's sake, Limbaugh called for Obama to fail as a President within weeks of Obama being elected and the Dems DID NOTHING!!!

At some point, the issue of concentrated ownership of media and blatant media bias like FOX NEWS becomes the Dems failure for lacking any coherent response to the gargantuan right wing hate machine. Maybe next time they get in the majority they could actually use their power to investigate the people and media companies responsible for the daily tsunami of hate, ommission and lies that saturate every American from coast to coast.

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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:06 PM
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85. LOL!
You are too funny for words.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:09 PM
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87. A related experiment:

Here's a similar experiment that yields the same results:

Listen for titles of honor, and see who gets them and who doesn't.

George W Bush was referred to as "President Bush" almost 100% of the time.
Barack Obama is referred to simply as "Obama" (omitting the presidential title) well over 50% of the time.

And it's every channel, not just Fox.


MDN


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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:45 PM
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88. The rethugs and their media accomplices will have egg on their face after the election.
All their predictions for taking the house and senate are delusional.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:34 PM
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89. We should be screaming this from the rooftops
IN UNISON. Nothing is more important, and it is not going away. It will never stop, until we make it stop (peacefully.)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:43 PM
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90. This is an EXCELLENT point
Propaganda is not just promotion of an ideology.

It's the suppression of all other viewpoints.

In fact, the latter may JUST be more important than the former.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 11:21 AM
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101. oh, but to have the power of a Network News Producer and to chose what goes on OUR National Airways
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:23 PM
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91. I never thought we'd be like the USSR. But we are...worse. I shuddered in the 80's
when I heard news stories about Russia's media. And I was grateful to be an American. Now, I may as well be in Russia.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:27 PM
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92. Actually it is setting up the false election results after all the media said they were going to win
http://www.theonion.com/video/diebold-accidentally-leaks-results-of-2008-electio,14214/
Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early

from The Onion

Embarrassed Diebold officials apologized after one of their electronic voting machines prematurely revealed the winner of our upcoming sham election.
Warning: For those of you who have been keeping up with the election, this clip contains spoilers.

Someone's gotta protect us from democracy when the representatives, delegates, superdelegates, and electoral college aren't enough. Despite Diebold's electronic voting machines prematurely revealing the winner of the general election, the sham must go on. Try and act surprised.


LieBold Elections services
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:01 PM
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93. "The myth of a free press died with the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy" --
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 11:01 PM by defendandprotect
And, glad to hear people talking about Propaganda!!

Nixon administration was studying Nazi propaganda and rerunning old Nazi

propaganda films in the White House!

Was amazed over the last decades to see so few books discussing this subject!!

:)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:46 PM
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96. Well, we're bringing the word back into our language again, defendandprotect.
It's precisely the correct word. :)
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:15 PM
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94. You are being a little harsh on nine-year-olds
Most them can spell better than the average Teabagger.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:17 PM
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95. Even though this is all true, we need to get the vote out even moreso this year because of it
The media has panned Obama because he is not a corporatist.
And the Citizens United decision stands unthwarted by the Republicans in the Senate who have kept talk about campaign finance reform off of the Senate floor.

We are being manipulated and the newspeak is more obvious today than ever before.

Your post here puts a spotlight on the issue - Obama is not important enough to cover, but Sarah the Loser is.

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DemocraticPilgrim Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 12:10 AM
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97. There is an antidote Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman fortunately.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 12:12 AM
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98. It has been propaganda...
since the rayguns days- we are just finally catching on.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 11:33 AM
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102. The U.S. has been about propaganda for decades...
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 11:52 AM by polichick
Kids can't even believe what they're taught in U.S. History classes - the military-industrial-financial-Congressional complex makes sure that the truth is buried in favor of maintaining their profitable status quo, and manipulates citizens into waving their flags in support of it.

Without the Internet, we wouldn't have a prayer - which is why they want to control that too.
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