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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:10 PM
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Alan Grayson actually proves Gibbs' point on MSNBC
Here is the video: Rep. Alan Grayson: Gibbs Should Not Resign, He Should Be Fired

Grayson played right into the right wing media's hand. He's asked a leading question that inaccurately cites Congressman Ellison as calling for Gibbs' resignation

Gibb's comment was directed a specific group, Grayson expandd them to include all liberals.

He looked like a deer caught in the headlights when David Frum's comments are read prefaced by the notion that he would agree with them.

Then he turns around and defends the administration's accomplishments saying that Gibbs hasn't done a good job of explaning the significance of these achievements, including passing "health care for all Americans."

That was exactly Gibbs' frustration: The people who continue to diminish the President's achievements.

Grayson did call out the Republicans, but that was lost in his over-the-top attack on Gibbs, which also buried his point that there has been achievement.



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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:13 PM
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1. Oh stop. Give it a rest. Ellison is merely modulating and grayson is clear as a bell.
Many, many voices are calling for Gibbs to step dowm. Many many people do not care for his tactics and at the very least as Rep grayson pointed out Gibbs has "Failed" at his job. Period.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:24 PM
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4. Grayson seems to believe the exact opposite
of those who constantly criticize the administration's achievements as lame, weak, Republican-like and failed. His claim that Gibbs isn't doing an adequate job of communicating the achievements makes it clear that Gibbs has a right to be frustrated.





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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:42 PM
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7. Here's a good example:
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 04:46 PM by ProSense

It's Who We Are

by Alan Grayson

Times are tough. Maybe you noticed.

In certain parts of the world, 100 years ago, when times were tough - a drought, a famine - they ate each other. Literally.

That's who they were.

We're different. When times are tough, we don't think about ourselves alone. We think about those who need help. The sick. Senior citizens. The disabled. Children. When times are tough, they're the ones who need help the most.

<...>

That's why I was so proud yesterday to vote for money for schools and for health care for the poor.

Why? Because if we voted it down, schools would close. And hospitals would close.

But we won't let that happen. When times are tough, we rise to the occasion. We shelter the homeless, we feed the hungry, and we heal the sick. We teach the children. We help those in need.

We're Americans. It's who we are. And I'm proud of it.

This achievement was all but ignored by some. Yes, Democrats did that.

Here is the LBN post


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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:15 PM
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2. A lot of people seem to be rushing to prove it in fact.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:19 PM
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3. The problem is he was not specific at all
No one here has been able to offer me any evidence that anyone in the cable or tv media even said the things Gibbs claimed he hears all the time. He stated that he hears it, can not say where, or who said it. Close the Pentagon. Who is he talking about?
If what he said was true, he could show that it was true. But he can not. So he claims to have a cold. Poor Robbie. And the poor, underpraised President! How will they pull through?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:37 PM
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5. Have you seriously never heard / read any on the self-proclaimed Left say Obama is like Bush...
on any issue? Think war and military funding (yes..."Pentagon"), "corporatism", social security, education, GLBT issues... and so on.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:44 PM
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8. And the blogosphere is exacerbating the problem by deliberately misinterpreting
Gibbs' statement to play the attacked victims.

At least you're asking for specifics about the CORRECT subjects of Gibbs' comments. There are a large number here on DU who will not even acknowledge that distinction.

As to your comments about the "poor, underpraised President", I assume your general attitude is that no one should receive any positive feedback for the work they do. Their paycheck should suffice, correct?

Conversely, as an example, why would anyone here have the right to complain that the President doesn't show enough emotion (and yes, I HAVE seen that complaint leveled at him on DU) to satisfy their need to show that he cares? From what I'm getting, he should keep his nose to the grindstone and just get his job done like the good hired grunt that some want him to be. Can't have it both ways.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:48 PM
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9. He heard yesterday's vote being called a "bailout" and blamed the "Professional Left"
When no one from the left was criticizing the teacher funding.
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30rock Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:42 PM
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6. Why not also name those on the Left who are NOT calling for Gibbs to be fired?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 04:44 PM by 30rock
If the number turned out to be higher than the number of those calling for his resignation/him being fired, would that prove Gibbs wrong?

"Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:47 PM
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10. Oh boy
A friend of mine said, "Gibbs is right. I've got no place to go. No place to go in November, I'm staying home."

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:08 PM
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:12 PM
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14. Is that you looking at the recs that prove what I said? nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:07 PM
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12. Grayson should be thrilled with Gibbs.
Gibbs' comments gave Grayson another reason to get his mug on TV and complain. Sadly, he seems to enjoy complaining about his own party, which has made significant accomplishments, rather than the opposition who has done nothing but obstruct progress, make racist remarks, call the President a liar and compare him to Hilter.



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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:47 PM
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16. Ed Schultz did, too...
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 06:50 PM by jenmito
and he kept claiming Gibbs insulted Obama's entire base when he only expressed frustration towards those on TV, radio, etc. He ALSO kept falsely claiming Emanuel called liberals "F'in Retards." :eyes:
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:03 PM
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19. He can't stand any criticism ...
so it has to be about all of his listeners too so that he doesn't have to look at himself. Schultz's analytical skills leave something to be desired. He reminds me of the Gilda Radner character Rosanne Rosanna Danna. He mishears or misunderstands something that was said, rails about it for a day or two and then just goes, "Oops, never mind."

When Gibb's said professional left it's pretty obvious he meant it literally. People on the left who are paid to be political commentators, journalists, etc. It has nothing to do with Obama's base or anyone on this board who is not paid journalist, commentator, radio talk show host.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:48 PM
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17. "Gibb's comment was directed a specific group" Name names or drop the meme
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:49 PM
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18. Grayson should be concentrating...
on the fact that he is trying to kill net neutrality.
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