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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 07:20 PM
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Obama Is Talking Jobs. Is Anybody Listening?
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 07:22 PM by babylonsister
Yes, there are a lot of topics for the networks to cover, but they're not doing this admin any favors, nor are they pointing out what numskulls the rethugs have been throughout Obama's time in office. Is the majority of the public aware of the obstructionist agenda and how much rethugs have really contributed to any discussion, about anything? I'm thinking not...


Obama Is Talking Jobs. Is Anybody Listening?
Jonathan Cohn


You've heard it a million times: The problem with President Obama is that he hasn't spent enough time talking about jobs. Maybe that's true and maybe that isn't. But the last 24 hours has me wondering whether anybody is even listening.

The administration on Wednesday released another report on the economic recovery, such that it is. By its accounting, the stimulus package Obama and the Democrats passed in 2009 created between 2.5 and 3.6 million jobs, raising gross domestic product between 2.7 and 3.2 percent. The estimate was roughly in line with Congressional Budget Office estimates.

You could draw a few conclusions from this report, depending on your political predisposition and ideas about the economy. Maybe it makes you think the stimulus was too big. Or maybe it makes you think the stimulus was too small. But it's hard to come away and not think the administration, and the president, are focusing on the economy.

But did anybody hear about the report?
For the first time in a long while, I decided to watch the nightly news. I picked the Brian Williams broadcast on NBC. Economic news didn't come until the tenth minute, after long segments on the oil spill, Dick Cheney, a controversial drug for diabetes, and the latest on possible safety defects in Toyotas. When Williams did turn to economics, it was to mention weak figures on retail spending and the release of minutes from the Federal Reserve. I flipped to ABC, just in time to catch a Jonathan Karl segment about the signs the administration has placed on sites where stimulus money is being spent. Republicans are attacking those signs, some of which cost several thousand dollars, as wasteful spending.

NBC didn't do anything wrong; they had their priorities just right. But it's a reminder of the challenge facing the administration right now. There's an awful lot going on--the oil spill, congressional debates over energy and financial reform, and that's not to mention the two wars going on overseas. At the same time, the voters are angry--really angry--that unemployment is so high. The administration has a response--that they have created a bunch of jobs but not enough, that they'd like to do more but conservatives won't let them. But it's a complicated message and it's not getting through.

snip//

Not that the administration is giving up. On Thursday, the Energy Department is releasing a report about $12 billion in stimulus funds it has invested in clean energy transportation, including $2.6 billion to help produce batteries and build charging stations for electric cars. To highlight that progress, President Obama will attend the groundbreaking of a battery plant in Holland, Michigan--a city with 15 percent unemployment.

more...

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/76289/obama-talking-jobs-anybody-listening
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 07:34 PM
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1. As the old saying goes "Action speaks louder than words"
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GiveMeFreedom Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 07:48 PM
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2. Right!
I do like that saying, very appropriate.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:34 PM
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9. And he HAS acted ! Sorry he's not superman.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 07:58 PM
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3. So that leaves us 4 to 6 million jobs in the hole
We need a massive WPA program in addition.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:02 PM
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4. I agree with you 100%, but can just hear the rethugs and Nelson
squawking about that. I don't know how that would get accomplished without the votes.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:27 PM
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6. It will never be accomplished if the administration and Democratic Party doesn't propose it!

If the Republicans and some Democrats want to oppose creating useful public works jobs to "Put American Back To Work" dare them to filibuster and tie up the government!

Force a real filibuster, not the phantom pretend kind that enables Republicans to obstruct and control the Senate.

The only alternative is surrender and capitulation to Wall Street and corporate America.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:12 PM
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5. We needed a massive WPA program but instead we got healthcare in 2013.
He spent the money and the political capital. Now he has lost the 60th senator and could possibly lose the house. The priorities were all wrong and they are only getting it now. But they have their legacy and I'm sure all the unemployed are thrilled.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:28 PM
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7. Actually you'll be getting some huge cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

And that will be called "health care reform".
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:05 PM
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14. That's An Outright Lie
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 09:05 PM by Beetwasher
Source it. Those programs are being expanded substantially in fact. Only one, bad, inefficient, Bush era program is having payments cut.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:57 PM
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17. No, yours is "an outright lie".
You fucking "source it" before jumping at people's throats and calling them a liar.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:33 PM
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22. The Lie Is His And Now YOURS , He Needs To Source It And Now So Do You
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 10:42 PM by Beetwasher
Put up or shut up. Let's see these cuts. I didn't make the initial claim, he did. Let's see the back up or admit you're full of shit.

Oh, and just because I'm feeling magnamious...Well, ok, I just want to show how full of shit you are, here's my backup:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3161

Federal Government Will Pick Up Nearly All Costs of Health Reform’s Medicaid Expansion

Health reform’s critics argue that states will bear a significant share of the costs of the new law’s Medicaid expansion, placing an unaffordable financial burden on states. The argument does not withstand scrutiny. In its first five years, the Medicaid expansion will add just 1.25 percent to what states were projected to spend on Medicaid over that period in the absence of health reform, while providing health coverage to 16 million more low-income adults and children.

--snip--

What have you got, cupcake?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:35 AM
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24. "Cupcake", my ass. Stuff your misplaced condescension, sexism and bullyism elsewhere.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:31 AM
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26. Aww, Got Nuthin' There Sugar Plumb?
n/t
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:07 PM
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23. The Deficit Commission will be proposing massive Medicare/Medicaid cuts and that's on top of the

500 billion in Medicare cuts that was projected by supporters of the health care "reform" legislation.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:32 AM
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27. Your Psychic Pet Monkey Told You This??
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 09:45 AM by Beetwasher
I think he tells you everything you want to hear just for the bananas.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:31 PM
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8. I beg your pardon, but we didn't get "healthcare in 2013".

We got a corporate Health Care Deform.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:35 PM
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10. BULLSHIT ! This isn't the 30's. Would NEVER have passed. Count your blessings.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:42 PM
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11. My WPA program would have transitioned us away from oil.
The opportunity we lost to do this is infuriating to me.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:53 PM
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12. Count your blessings???
Un-frigging-believable..... :eyes:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:07 PM
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19. "Count your blessings" my ass. What offensive and intelligence-insulting bullshit.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:22 PM
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30. Count your collapsed economic blessings
Yeah, right
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:02 PM
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13. You're funny. Who exactly is voting against the unemployed?
Besides Ben Nelson, it's the rethugs, yet you insist it isn't. Your agenda is showing.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:23 PM
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21. Not voting against the unemployed but not doing much to create jobs for them.
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 10:25 PM by dkf
All efforts were to staunch the bleeding mostly in the public sector but never to aggressively create jobs. Yes there was some training money for green technologies but not the push to incentivize huge investments across all segments including public and private and individuals.

It's more of a passive neglect than active undermining.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:43 PM
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16. THIS 'lousy' healthcare bill?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:02 PM
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18. Didn't he say his wife's situation was controlled with birth control
And there is no Cancerous tumor? Is that a good trade off considering all the people who can't afford healthcare because they have no job? The healthcare bill didn't help as many people in the present as much as a laserbeam concentration on jobs would have. I still say your example is pretty sad when you consider what could have been.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:02 PM
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29. Not a good example, sister.
If you read the thread, you found out his claim was bogus.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:22 PM
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15. NPR is the only news outlet that goes into the actual numbers. But
who listens to NPR? Lately, they've become enthralled with the teabaggers. Two days in a row of teabagging. People say he should talk about this, or talk about that, but if he can't break through the M$M filter, people rely on blogs and a lot of hyped up misinformation.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:44 AM
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25. Are you Brian Reidl? Your Post is word for word
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 12:51 AM by SunsetDreams
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/03/Stimulus-Jobs-Count-CBO-Admits-It-Ignored-the-Economys-Actual-Performance

When you said "let me try to explain what is going on here"

Do you mean to tell me what follows are your words?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:43 AM
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28. LOL!! It Was Deleted, But Did A Poster Just Try To Pass Off A Heritiage Foundation OpEd As Their
Own post??? :rofl:

Good catch! :thumbsup:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:25 PM
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31. Gotta love google literals
:rofl:
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