It's a good thing I am not President Obama, because if I were, my next speech would be...

[scheming daemons]

"To my critics on the left I say this:

My administration is the only thing standing between you and a fascist right-wing regime that the Republicans would implement if they could ever have their way.

The ship of state for a country as large and diverse as ours doesn't turn on a dime. Even so, we have turned the ship several degrees to the left in just 18 months. All of this while facing the direct headwinds of an opposition party and corporate media doing everything they possible can to slow or stop our progress.

We have literally achieved the most any progressive administration could have ever hoped to achieve in the face of such unified opposition.

But rather than take what we've accomplished as a positive sign and working with me to help make even more positive changes, folks on the political left have decided to aim their arrows at my administration instead of the intransigent Republican opposition.

So... I'm going to give you your wish.
You're on your own.

I won't seek re-election in 2012.

I would have thought the 8 years of President Bush, and 12 years of Gingrich-revolutionary congress would have opened your eyes.

Apparently, it will take you having a President Palin and Speaker Boehner and Senate Leader McConnell to get through to you.

Goodbye, and good luck."

Good thing for all of you, I'm not him.

He won't quit on you like I would.



The famous saying is that we "get the government we deserve."

Not true in this case, though.


We don't deserve him.

[daleanime]

1. I guess we just unreasonable then...

that we would like Democratic officials to stick up for democratic ideas. What were we thinking?

[sandnsea]

2. Yeah, it's just like a McCain/Palin Presidency right now

I can't tell a smidge of difference.

[damonm]

162. O RLY?

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[daleanime]

6. So there's nothing from the last 18 months....

that couldn't have gone better then it did, at lest as far as your concerned? If yes, then your the same as I; if no, wow, really?

[treestar]

16. Could have?

Sure things could have gone better. Or worse.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

97. Yeah so? Sure it could have gone better. My personal life could have better.

My dogs life could have been better. They all could have been much, much worse. Just because something in life isn't super fantastic doesn't mean that it's worthless either.

[daleanime]

156. But not worth trying for better?

:eyes:

[treestar]

15. He is sticking up for them

You merely have unrealistic ideas about what results come from that and how fast.

[daleanime]

157. Really?

Tell me more about myself!:loveya:

[impik]

4. I hope he'll go. You are right. This country does not deserve him

[depakid]

9. We're not worthy!

:rofl:

[dave29]

102. funny that movie was all over TV when I voted for Nader.

I learned a lot from that.

[treestar]

17. I don't agree that the country does not, but the far left does not

Critics from the left deserve Republican Presidents. Hopefully they don't get what they deserve.

[RC]

23. We already have one.

What we need is a Liberal DNC president. This country is so far to the right even the Democratic center is in danger of falling off the edge.

[Smashcut]

106. .

wrong place

[depakid]

48. Once again- ahem- America's a progressive nation, not a right wing or center right one

as demonstrated time and again on issue after issue:

Here's how it breaks down on the sets attitudes, beliefs and values- reflected in positions on issues which makes up a progressive or "conservative" ("moderate" is meaningless here- as it is in real life).

And it's largely derived from credible data- as opposed to self labeling by agenda driven corporations like Gallup-

The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth.

Conventional wisdom says that the American public is fundamentally conservative - hostile to government, in favor of unregulated markets, at peace with inequality, wanting a foreign policy based on the projection of military power, and traditional in its social values.

But as this report demonstrates, that picture is fundamentally false. Media perceptions and past Republican electoral successes notwithstanding, Americans are progressive across a wide range of controversial issues, and they're growing more progressive all the time.

This report gathers together years of public opinion data from unimpeachably nonpartisan sources to show that on issue after issue, the majority of Americans hold progressive positions. And this is true not only of specific policy proposals, but of the fundamental perspectives and approaches that Americans bring to bear on issues.

Nor is the progressive majority merely a product of the current political moment. On a broad array of issues, particularly social issues, American opinion has grown more and more progressive over the past few decades. In contrast, it is difficult to find an issue on which the public has grown steadily more conservative over the last 10, 20, or 30 years.

The issues covered in this report include the following ... The role of government ... The economy ... Social issues ... Security ... The environment ... Energy ... Health care...

In short, a look across the scope of American public opinion reveals a public that holds progressive positions and supports progressive solutions on economic issues, on social issues, on security issues - indeed, on nearly all the key issues confronting the country. For years, the conventional wisdom has maintained just the opposite, but the facts are impossible to ignore.

MUCH more: http://www.weourselves.org/reports/20070612_theprogressivemajority_report.pdf

And there's more:

Pew: Trends in Political Values and Core Attitudes: 1987-2007. Political Landscape More Favorable To Democrats

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/312.pdf

Summary: http://people-press.org/report/?reportid=312

[Yavin4]

93. That's Not Evidence of a Progressive Nation

What you offer are a hodge podge of interpretations of survey data, not hard core evidence. The questions in those surveys are vague. For instance, "Govt should care for those that cannot care for themselves", is a vague concept with no policy implications, such as "are you willing to pay more in taxes to take care of those that cannot take care of themsevles".

The only real evidence of a progressive nation are the votes on election day, not a hodge podge of vague sruvey data.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

103. I agree that on most individual policies the people more or less side with the progressives.

The problem is that the corp. media and other bidniz bucks allows the right to control the debate. They can frame it any way they want. So yeah, the polls show people wanting this great liberal stuff and yet people also think the president is too socialist. Hrmmm.

edit: I meant this as a reply to #48.

[Yavin4]

113. I Don't Think That People Are Progressive At All

I think that they may want increased government services FOR THEM, and no one else (read: White people only), but they don't want to pay for it.

Even on social issues where they had the chance to show their progressiveness, e.g. ending marriage discrimination against Gays, they vote against it.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

168. I agree to a point.

I think the polling on the public option, or gays in the military, or on a whole lot of pretty important issues is reasonably accurate in saying that the majority wants a lot of this stuff, not everything, but a lot. I don't think that the Teabagger types you speak of trump these numbers. It's just that the debate gets sidetracked into minor BS or just plain lies. For instance, the gay marriage issue gets sidetracked by people wigging out on the false idea that they'll be forced to perform gay marriages in their church. If you call it a civil union, a vast majority of people support it. The real problem is that the public at large isn't interested enough in any of it to sift the chaff.

[hfojvt]

176. Why do you say "even on social issues"?

Doesn't it make more sense for the majority to be progressive on economic issues, where they personally stand to gain? Why should they be more progressive on social issues?

[depakid]

133. Oh for crying out loud- it certainly is!

though you can keep laboring under misconceptions if you like. Many Democrats do- to theirs and everyone else's detriment.

Voting behavior of course- if you study the science of the matter- is based on a whole host of factors that are quite different progressive policy preferences.

Standing up and fighting for what one believes in (to use but one of many examples) is viewed quite favorably, and will gain votes even where the candidate's views on the issues are contrary to voters own.

[Yavin4]

135. If Your Thesis Is Correct

Then why did Dennis Kucinich fare so poorly in the Dem primaries. Why did Edwards do so poorly even though both candidates "stood up and fought for progressive values".

One would expect either candidate to do a lot better in the primaries.

[depakid]

137. There are a host of emotional factors involved

Many of which make Dennis- and made Edwards less attractive candidates.

This is quite separate and apart from winning positions on the issues- as most any keen observer can figure out for themselves.

Trying to claim that rationality and responsible and popular issue positions are the only factor is what Lakoff and Westen have been trying to drill through Democrats' heads for years.

[Yavin4]

153. "This is quite separate and apart from winning positions on the issues"

Again, if your thesis is correct, then why have ballot initiatives been so successful at upholding discrimination against Gays and Lesbians from getting married? In these case, the people were given a clear, unambiguous choice to show their progressive bona fides, and they went the opposite direction.

Show me real, actual evidence that the American people are these strong progressives that you keep talking referring to.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

99. I suspect some want it. They need it in order to usher in the new golden age of liberalism.

I see the idea of burning it all down so that the progressive Phoenix can rise from the ashes quite often around here. Honestly, I feel that way sometimes too. I recognize the system is broken and needs major reform. What I don't recognize is a pathway there that includes giving the reins of power to the pukes. The only place that takes us is backwards and deeper into the hole from which we have to dig out from. With that idea in mind, it's not very hard to be a least modestly supportive of the Dem. president and congress. Call me crazy.

[liquid diamond]

110. The fringe left is a malcontent and politically ignored minority.

They won't hurt us in 2012. Let them bitch.

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[liquid diamond]

129. ***snicker***

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[Skittles]

5. the memes just keep on coming

[HughMoran]

29. ...following the trashing

[NJmaverick]

42. Do you use the term "meme" to mean yet another good point?

[Skittles]

120. no: excuses

[spoony]

7. More proof it's the fans, not the left, who want the country to fail for the sake of "principle."

We are constantly told that critics of the President must not care if Palin gets elected, and a thousand other meaningless, trite talking points along the same line. But the OP is not unique, we've seen it many times from Obama's "pragmatic liberal" fanbase. The message is simple: you're not lavishing enough praise on our guy, so fuck you and fuck everyone. Then they have the nerve to return to accusing the left of not caring if the sky falls and the GOP takes power.

[treestar]

18. Oh please. You are not lavishing any praise on him

All you do is find fault.

[flyarm]

82. + 1000!!! eom

[JoeyT]

147. Yep. That sounds about right.

Policy is completely irrelevant. It's a personality that's important. Notice how they oh-so-carefully avoid any negative topic that can't be spun or blamed on the victim.

[bkozumplik]

8. "We have literally achieved the most any progressive administration could have ever hoped to achieve

you say, "We have literally achieved the most any progressive administration could have ever hoped to achieve"

thats just incorrect.

you kept up with the financial regulations? derivatives? key appointments given to dipshit trickle down tools?

how about the two wars? are those over? No they arent. Defense spending has only been expanded, buying more guns and less butter..for what really? Lets not lay this at bushes feet any longer.. Obama is the commander in chief. He can end this idiotic war when he wants.

Have you bothered to keep up with current events? did you like the corporate bailouts?

how about the pathetic sellout of a health care bill?

how about gaza?

And I'm sorry, the handling of the gulf spill could have been better. its a bad situation, and not Obama's to clean up, but BP has too much rope, and fencing off areas from public scrutiny is stupid policy. not just bad, its stupid.

Any bushies in jail?

dont tell me we did all we could and we fought the good progressive fight, because it hasnt been done. saying it was doesnt make it so. We've had a middle of the road corporatist pres. not a progressive one.

[elana i am]

10. these are both true statements...

"We have literally achieved the most any progressive administration could have ever hoped to achieve..."

We've had a middle of the road corporatist pres. not a progressive one."

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the OP was making the very good point that we achieved the most progressive administration we could hope to get. it seems to be lost on a lot of people that obama was never a progressive to begin with, he was a centerist, and our only progressive option was kucinich. notice, we got what we voted for and kucinich never had a chance in hell of getting elected.

the level of delusion and hyperbole is reaching new heights here at DU.

obama is not and never was a progressive. where the expectation came from that obama's "change" meme rose to the level of a clarion call of progressivism i have no idea. obama's centerist tendencies were plain as day. i know because i paid attention and i saw it and voted accordingly.

the delusion (among several delusions!) that obama was going to be some magic progressive cure seems to be prevalent here. obama was the most progressive president we could hope for only because he was the least "conservative" among a cadre of dyed-in-the-wool centerists.

we're still many years and many blue dogs away from a truly progressive administration. some folks here need to face reality. before we get a progressive administration we need to keep the dems in the majority through a couple of administrations, make small, incremental changes, gain back the public trust as a political party and weed out blue dogs. and all of this has to be done with an opposition party that is determined to sabotage it all.

i don't know if anybody has bothered to check recently, but kucinich and maybe bernie sanders and alan grayson are our only true progressives. there are a big huge whopping total of THREE true progressives in office at the moment and even they are subject to compromise and caving under pressure. raise your hand if you've seen any of them affect any real progressive change recently? i can tell you the answer is no, because they have to play the politics game just like obama and all the other politicians.

[Earth Bound Misfit]

11. Well said.

...and all of this has to be done with an opposition party that is determined to sabotage it all.

And a complicit M$M, you neglected to add.

[treestar]

19. All you can do is find fault?

And that things are not done fast enough for you?

[jonnyblitz]

31. !!!!

:applause:

[flyarm]

83. +10,000!! eom

[MissDeeds]

104. Agree completely

Thanks for saying it so well.

:toast:

[quiller4]

167. I'm happy with the stabilizing of our economy which you may call ia corporate bailout

I never did want to see "the Bushies in jail". The "pathetic sellout of a health care bill" will save me and millions like me with pre-existing conditions thousands and give us access to coverage we haven't had. Will I pay for it. Yes but the 13% of income it is going to cost me in the pool is far better than the 45% of income I've spent on health care the last few years.

Obama is commander in chief. He told us during the campaign he was going to ramp up the efforts in Afghanistan. That is one of the reasons I voted for him. He is also bring troops home from Iraq rapidly as he promised.

I got what I voted for and I'm happy.

I'm also tired of the unfounded criticism.

[jobycom]

12. So you would lie and appear ignorant in your resignation speech?

That's sad. I'd think it would be a time for honesty and introspection. Something like...

"I have not achieved as much as I should have with such a solid majority in Congress and a strong mandate from the people. I failed to take advantage of a divided and frightened opposition party, and allowed my inaction to empower them. My ideals were undeveloped and inconsistent, and so I made arbitrary decisions based upon the last argument I heard rather than upon a deeply rooted understanding of my convictions. Please forgive me. I was not ready for this job, and lacked the experience necessary to accomplish my goals, and I realize now that others may have been better prepared for it.

"I will not, however, step down, and I will not quit. I will listen to my critics, learn from my mistakes, and improve over the next six years. I beg your patience, and if I have earned it, I beg your support in 2012. I ask only that you continue to keep the pressure on me, so that I may more clearly see my mistakes and shortcomings, and correct them."

That's more my speech if I'm Obama. But I'm not you. I'm not big on taking credit when I haven't earned it, nor on quitting, and I try to avoid feeling injured and self-righteous when I know I have disappointed people.

[jaxx]

13. That speech inspires zero confidence.

It says 'poor me'. Thank goodness the President doesn't kowtow to his detractors.

[jobycom]

14. The OP's speech said "Poor me. Fuck you."

That's how you lose. That's the Sara Palin approach.

The oddest thing to me is that the people who think they are the strongest supporters of President Obama have the absolute lowest opinion of him. They act as though we really can't expect anything more from him, as though he really can't be held to the same standards as past presidents or be expected to handle the job as well as past presidents. Why do you grade him on a curve? Do you really think he's not capable of being what we want him to be? Do you really think you help him when you say "Oh, he's just the greatest thing ever!" You know, every time I read one of those posts, what I really hear is a condescending "Bless his heart." That's worse than the outright haters.

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[jobycom]

22. Are you one of those people who tries to dismiss all people by putting them in a category

and then ridiculing the entire category so that you don't have to actually address what they said? If so, stay out of teaching and parenting. Thank you.

I'm one of those people who believes that a president is no longer a child, and should be held to standards of achievement based on job requirements. Once someone becomes president, they don't need stroking, they need an honest assessment of their performance.

[treestar]

35. You don't motivate people by singling out only what they could not

do or did not do and just carping at every small detail you think was wrong.

You'd be a terrible boss, too. Even in this economy people would quit.

Never appreciating anything they accomplish, just looking for shortfalls and making as big a deal as you can of those. Miserable.

[Bunny]

111. .

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[Bunny]

105. .

[jaxx]

21. I don't lose, and can the Palin approach.....

it doesn't work on me. The idea that the President isn't your cup of tea isn't my problem, it's yours. Unrealistic demands are never met to anyone's satisfaction. I don't think the constant comparisons to this former president and that former president mean anything. I do think Barack Obama is Barack Obama...one man.

[jobycom]

27. Not sure what your thread title means... Can Palin what?

I can't answer that question because I don't understand your punctuation.

As for the rest, I don't like or hate Obama. He's just the president. He should be judged on how well he does the job. So far he's been okay and he's done some good. But he has one of the strongest mandates and one of the strongest majorities in Congress of any president in our history. To expect more from him is not unrealistic. To accept so little from him is apologist, and patronizing.

[jaxx]

34. can the Palin approach.....deep six it, quit it, stop.

The President works with a congress that is 40% totally against him, and 10% bluedog. He is President at a time in our history when party (repuke) trumps country and the people be damned (by the repukes). If one chooses to judge his efforts, by all means, do so. It's a liberal thing to be fair, that is to judge accordingly and put expectations in their proper category of perhaps we can get this through the mangled congress intact. Perfection is unrealistic. Demands made from the outside have no intellect on what happens on the inside, they are simply demands. I think this country is not apologetic about President Obama, I think they are fighting for their lives and their livelihoods and see that the other side isn't where the country can go. Negative phrasing means nothing, all it does is show rigidness and a refusal to look at reality.

[treestar]

84. The Senate was never a strong majority

With the cloture issue, there were never more than 59 and some of the Dems were conservative. We have to deal with that reality rather than just blame the President.

You want liberal Senators from Nebraska, it will take a lot of work.

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[HughMoran]

30. disgusting

[Smashcut]

107. ...

:applause:

[Number23]

119. There aren't enough facepalms in the whole damn world for this...

And I am so very thankful that the President does not feel that way and that the vast majority of his supporters would never ask for nor expect such a ridiculous speech from him.

[bertman]

173. That is an honest person's speech, jobycom. Not a politician's. I like it.

[bertman]

174. Dupe. self delete.

[hulka38]

24. I don't care about his personal feelings towards

critics and I doubt he spends much time thinking about being spurned by the left when his affections are directed at the center right.

[HughMoran]

32. Of course he doesn't have to listen to the vile spewing bullshit here 24/7

Supporters of Democrats who came here in the past because it was a place to escape the constant attacks from the rightare the ones hearing the bullshit. DU is indistinguishable from the right-wing attack machine all too often these days.

[hulka38]

39. This life long supporter of Democrats

is concerned about the structural reform of Wall Street, ending the Afghan fiasco, greater funding of public education and protecting SS from being gutted. These are sensible progressive stands that are the opposite of right wing attacks. I'm going to push for them in my own meager way by typing a few words in their advocacy every now again on this forum. I think the President has been wrong about a lot of things and I think he's more concerned with playing his strategy of maintaining political capital at the detriment of being a fierce advocate for the change he campaigned on. I'm not going to be silent on that. It's nothing personal.

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[hulka38]

76. Remember now, it's issues not personalities

and criticisms about these issues from the left are very different from right wing attacks.

[HughMoran]

78. No, they're not

I don't see the difference.

[treestar]

88. True the right wing at least has the excuse that they don't want things

like a national health care plan to begin with.

To want one and scoff at what you get as not good enough is entirely different.

[treestar]

87. If he didn't have capital he could not use the bully pulpit to be so all

powerful as he would have to be to deliver on the demands the left makes of him. That's what's so ironic. They think he just has to bully the opposition into speaking, while claiming they are so powerful, so trashing him, weakening this bully power and then complaining they he doesn't use it.

If he could not get elected without the left as the left so often claims, then the left's very abandonment of him weakens his bullying powers.

[hulka38]

91. The left has determined that Obama is not the change agent.

It's clearly not going to happen with this guy. He doesn't play that game. He doesn't use the bully pulpit effectively anyway unless it's to make the final push on some weak pseudo reform bill.

[BklnDem75]

152. You mean the far left has determined...

The problem is you want that change overnight. Many of us are more realistic that 6+ decades of a rightward shift will take longer than 18 months to accomplish that. People's lack of historic perspective gives way to idiotic Nixon/Reagan/Bush comparisons. What's hilarious is how many bring up the bully pulpit when it's for things they want, but complain about lockstep when it's something they don't want. You can't have it both ways.

[NJmaverick]

41. I think you're half right. He doesn't care much about his critics

because he is too busy doing. Doing things like saving our nation's economy, reforming healthcare, creating a green energy industry, dealing with the disaster in the gulf, drawing down Iraq and reforming Wall Street.

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[KeyWester]

26. I agree, we don't deserve him.

His biggest problem isn't the GOP , it's that he is far ahead of the rest of the nation, in the same way Carter was.

In the end, this is a ignorant nation.

[HughMoran]

28. Good post - K&R n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

36. Oh boo fucking hoo.

I refuse to feel sorry for the president of the united states. The American people, the working class, and nature itself are the suffering ones - THAT'S to whom I choose to direct my sympathy, not the most powerful man in the world, a man who mysteriously has chosen not to do as much as he could with that power.

[NJmaverick]

43. You appear to over estimate the power of the President

if you study the Constitution you will see the President is not nearly as powerful as you assume him to be. Beyond that, his job is one of the toughest in the world. It's 24 X 7 and the burden and responsibility (if unlike Bush has a conscience) is beyond measure.

[arcadian]

55. He can have a man killed anywhere on the planet.

Obama just started doing that. That's pretty fucking powerful.

[NJmaverick]

59. If your assertion is correct why is OBL still alive?

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[treestar]

89. That's ridiculous

No President has that right.

You can be against the war without making that ridiculous assertion.

[NJmaverick]

37. STANDING OVATION!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

"One punches you in the nose and the other kicks you in the groin"......Axelrod commenting on the right and left

[arcadian]

44. Are you really?

Did you really stand up in your little computer room and give this post applause? Okay that's one. Aren't you going a bit overboard? :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

46. One someone comes up with a brilliant OP, it' nice to acknowledge it

you may be stingy in your praise, but I am not.

[arcadian]

49. So you actually did physically stand up and clap for this one?

Have at it. :rofl:

[NJmaverick]

50. What's your point?

[arcadian]

52. You seem rather enthusiastic about this post.

It's a pretty lame post, I'm just wondering where that enthusiasm comes from.

[NJmaverick]

56. So you didn't like the post. You sure picked a rather round about way

of making that point.

As for why I am enthusiastic, this post pointed out in an original and cutting way a very serious threat that is over looked, to the detriment of the future of our nation, the very real threat posed by the right wing to our nation's well being. The right was given the reigns of power and they nearly destroyed our nation. Our current president started in the deepest hole any president has ever seen. He has made amazing strides but he still hasn't cleared the whole. Unfortunately many people ignored the hole and what to know why the president hasn't gained impressive attitude. They are angry that he hasn't reached the stars in 18 months. Their anger has resulted in actions that undercut the President and increase the risk of the far right returning to power.

[suzie]

109. +1,000

[arcadian]

38. "fascist right-wing regime that the Republicans would implement if they could ever have their way."

They did that. With Bush. And then we got Obama.

[NJmaverick]

45. Yes they did that with Bush and we got two terrible wars

and the nation's economy was nearly destroyed.

[arcadian]

47. Not if you are a CEO.

Or one of the power elite. They did just fine. Just like they are doing just fine now.

[NJmaverick]

51. Most people are not CEOs so what is your point?

[arcadian]

53. "Most people" really don't matter to politicians.

[NJmaverick]

57. You say that when our President is a former community organizer

he devoted most of his life to helping people. In fact I would venture to say he has done more to help others than most of his critics.

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[NJmaverick]

61. That number wouldn't be zero

if you had your way. You wanted an immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan. That would have resulted in the deaths of 10s of thousands (if not more) of Afghans at the hands of the Taliban and Al Quada.

[arcadian]

62. wrong

You don't know anything about foreign policy so I don't know why I or anybody would trust your speculation about this.

[treestar]

71. You are just as responsible for war deaths as any American citizen

You seem to have generalized hatred for anyone who is successful or a leader of any kind.

You just sound jealous of the accomplishments of others. One of those cases where the right wing is correct.

[arcadian]

74. Right wing talking points?

Thanks for the transparency.

[treestar]

79. Sometimes they are right

They say that about all of us and are wrong about that. But your views give them ammunition. That's where they get that talking point and why it resonates with the voters - the grain of truth there is in it - you provide that grain of truth.

Those posts above make it clear that no President or CEO can ever do anything right, merely because they reached that office or had that success.

[arcadian]

80. "But your views give them ammunition."

Thought police much? Unbelievable.

[treestar]

90. No, even right wingers have a right to an opinion

They are right when they claim some are just jealous of success. It is clear you do not give anyone credit for anything they've accomplished and we're supposed to completely distrust and bash anyone merely because they are CEO, or got themselves elected to high office. For nothing other than what they managed to do.

It's one thing to disagree with what they are doing, but another to insist that there merely being in that position makes them untrustworthy.

[spoony]

100. Really? We're as responsible as the CiC?

Lol, you have completely, epically lost the plot in this thread. Between the bafflingly dumb statements and the schoolyard insults, it's a thing of singular failure.

[treestar]

116. Of course we are. We don't get to just scapegoat the current

POTUS. We were responsible for Bush going in there, as a nation. We get credit for elected Obama to get us out of both responsibly.

We don't get to claim the POTUS is a killer because of a war we as a nation were all for in 2001-2003. This is a government of the people. We are not the helpless citizens who are forced to follow the POTUS. How many times has the left proclaimed that?

[spoony]

139. Hey DUers! Stop ordering those fucking drone bombings, would you?

Reminds me of the joke where Bono asks for quiet during a concert then claps his hands every few seconds. "Every time I clap my hands a child somewhere in the world dies." A lone voice then echoed through the arena, "Well then stop clapping ya evil fucker!"

And yes, the POTUS is a killer. Sorry that you can't handle that. He literally sends people to kill other people. Not you. Not me. He does. There is literally nothing we can do to stop him from doing so besides not vote for him, and whenever anyone dares say that they get hit by a swarm of parrots.

[treestar]

145. Oh for heaven's sake

The POTUS is not a killer for acts of war. That's like saying the troops are killers.

[donco6]

172. Well, he authorizes the use, and knows the risks:

The Obama administration has already authorized 90 drone strikes in and around Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), double the number the Bush administration authorized in its two terms in office.

The accuracy of the drone strikes has improved even as the pace of the program has increased over the past two years. In 2008, the first year the drones program picked up speed in Pakistan, an average of only 43 percent of the fatalities from the strikes were reported to be militants or suspected militants. In 2009, that figure shot up to 62 percent, and so far in 2010 it stands at 87 percent, suggesting that the nonmilitant death rate from drone strikes has dropped to around 10 percent this year, according to our database.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/09/bergen.drone.war/index.html

Wow! Up to 87 percent! I'm sure it sucks to be part of that 13, but Oh Well!

[cornermouse]

40. You're right.

We don't deserve him. The rest of it I give a :thumbsdown: and :nopity:

[NJmaverick]

58. So we deserved George Bush?

[cornermouse]

63. People voted for change.

Even some republicans around here voted for change that they aren't seeing or getting. Considering increasing unemployment, child hunger statistics, home foreclosures, increases at food pantries and homeless facilities, etc., I wouldn't expect them to do it again because, trust me, they aren't going to.

[NJmaverick]

64. And we have gotten great and positive change

we have historic health care reform that has resulted in millions of people now having health insurance

we have gone from an economy that was on the verge of a historic collapse to one that is recovering

we have gone to virtually no investment in green energy, energy conservation and green tech to record billions being spent on it

we have are the verge of reforming Wall Street, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Great Depression

there are so many that perhaps you would just like a list:

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

[cornermouse]

67. Aren't you getting tired of posting that list

of, pardon language that I almost never use, crap? You are one of very few that actually believes it.

[NJmaverick]

68. Facts are not "crap". Rather facts are used to form sound opinions

[cornermouse]

70. You want facts?

ARRA and medicare cuts are harming hospitals. That's a fact.
HCR is going to result in people having insurance that they can't afford to use. That's a fact.
Arne Duncan is building a private education system that will result in poor people being unable to access a decent education when those in government decide government can no longer afford to pay for privatized education for the masses and "cut another government program". That is a fact.

Bottom line is that your list is ineffective. People can look at it and see the things that they know aren't working in their own lives. No one really believes that list but you and a very few others.

[NJmaverick]

72. Your facts are mixed with opinion and your bottom line claim

is unrelated to the facts you list. In the end the list of factual accomplishments is sound and should not be dismissed as "crap" (assuming you are seeking a sound position). If we took your approach one wouldn't even care about the wars, for example. After all most people are not directly affected by the wars, so if they just look around in their own lives, they would see no difference.

If you are going to form a sound position on the President you need to look at all the facts (not just the ones that you like or may fit with a preconceived opinion). You have to look beyond your own life and how you are affected or not affected. You need to look at how people, as a whole are affected. You need to look at where we were and where we are now (after all video is superior to a snap shot in this situation). All that must be done if one wants to have a fair and sound opinion on the job our President is doing.

* A fact is verifiable. We can determine whether it is true by researching the evidence. This may involve numbers, dates, testimony, etc. (Ex.: "World War II ended in 1945.") The truth of the fact is beyond argument if one can assume that measuring devices or records or memories are correct. Facts provide crucial support for the assertion of an argument. However, facts by themselves are worthless unless we put them in context, draw conclusions, and, thus, give them meaning.

* An opinion is a judgment based on facts, an honest attempt to draw a reasonable conclusion from factual evidence. (For example, we know that millions of people go without proper medical care, and so you form the opinion that the country should institute national health insurance even though it would cost billions of dollars.) An opinion is potentially changeable--depending on how the evidence is interpreted. By themselves, opinions have little power to convince. You must always let your reader know what your evidence is and how it led you to arrive at your opinion

[cornermouse]

77. My facts are verified.

I do know what I'm talking about. I am also aware that no matter what I say, you won't agree. You're too married to your ideology. So be it. Obama and the democratic party are in trouble with the voters.

[NJmaverick]

81. You're right in the sense that I will not follow your example

and abandon fact or sound methodology, not matter what tact you take to sell it. What you call ideology is an insistence on intellectual honesty and rigor and those are concepts I will never abandon.

"So be it. Obama and the democratic party are in trouble with the voters."

You know this I see this sentence as being one of the indicators of why we are on different sides. Your comment indicates that you view yourself as a judge only and that it's the job of politicians to win you over or they are in trouble. I view my roll as one of helping the politicians make things better. I feel just as much of a responsibility to get things done and prevent the return to power of the GOP as the politicians we voted for. I feel that we are all part of a team. Politicians are team leaders on our team, rather than the only team players trying to win you the fan over to their side.

[cornermouse]

86. I need a new computer.

But I want a bigger monitor than what would come with a package deal. Should I buy them separately and spend more than I can really afford to or should I just go with the package and make do?

[cornermouse]

112. You disappoint me.

Here I actually look to you for help and guidance about something (computers) and you turn your back on me. I thought you knew about computers too. :shrug: Oh well...

[unapatriciated]

126. "I view my roll as one of helping the politicians make things better"

Sometimes that means criticizing them if their polices are wrong, weak and noneffective. In fact I do believe it's called your civic duty.

[Cary]

155. I don't understand that strategy of undermining Democrats either

To me the argument that we could further our agenda by pulling the rug out from under the Democrats makes absolutely no sense. It seems that what we need to do is to strengthen our coalition rather than to splinter it and weaken it, and I don't see one historical example that suggests otherwise.

Sadly, though, the extreme left could be giving the "conservative" base a big opportunity here to forge new ground. They can't beat us but apparently they can lure us into beating ourselves.

[Hansel]

115. So health insurance was going to get cheaper without HCR?

The cost of health insurance has been increasing exponentially for quite awhile. Without HCR it was already resulting in insurance that people can't afford to even buy, much less use. That's a fact. Your statement is opinionated speculation not a fact.

[laughingliberal]

127. No, but it's unlikely to get cheaper now. And the law will require me to buy it. nt

[dflprincess]

143. What we got was insurance for more, not health care for all

The insurance bailout was not HCR and shouldn't be referred to as such. All it does is force people to buy a shoddy product they can't afford to use from the same old crooks.

[Cary]

92. Aren't your hands sore from all of your wringing?

Just because you're disaffected doesn't mean that you've used good judgment or even make any logical sense.

[spoony]

140. It's on the first page of the manual, they aren't allowed to skip past it.

:P

[saracat]

114. It is really ironic that when thinsg are not accomplished some blame Congress and yet when anything

remotely positive is accomplished all credit is given to Obama. There is so much wrong with this list, I cannot begin to address it all .The first fallacy is HCR. Millions more Americans will be forced to buy health "insurance" but millions of Americans will not be given HEALTH CARE. There is a huge difference. And as for including "intentions", what a hog wash that is. I "intend " to be a millionaire" doesn't make me one. Life isn't "The Secret". He did NOT put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform.He was forced to address it because my idiotic legislature and stupid Gov forced the issue(and even now nothing is really being done) with SB1070 and the DOJ suing isn't "Immigration Reform". And few educators in this country would designate what Duncan is doing to the education system as "reform".Much of the rest either violates civil liberties or is just puffery. And you even put guaranteeing loans to Israel on this list? And many of the things you cite especially on contracts and procurement were renewals.

The President has a full plate. No question about it,but he hasn't fully focused on those issues that we elected him to deal with.
I still believe, because I have no choice, that the President can prevail, but he has got to start turning the ship of state around and sail in the correct direction. By catering to bipartisanship and the center, he is only losing both sides of the aisle.

And BTW, I am not less than pragmatic about this. Politicians who at least appear to hold strong convictions get elected. A congress that holds strong convictions will get reelected, but they must be lead.

[NJmaverick]

128. I think the opposite is more the case. You blame the President for everything bad

while refusing to give credit for any of the good.

[saracat]

134. I have given the president credit several times. And I do not blame him for everything bad.

I often say he has not caused the depression( and it is one) or many of our other ills. But he has not made a great effort to fix things either.

[NJmaverick]

150. Our economy doesn't even meet the definition of a recession

so how can you claim we are in a depression? The GDP has been rising as has jobs growth.

[saracat]

164. Oh please. No one believes that. Are you unemployed? Try looking at the want ads.

Jobs don't exist, anywhere. Even the Vp said 8 million jobs aren't coming back. We had a temporary spike with the census jobs, now nothing. Peddle the Pollyanna elsewhere. They are laying off state and municipal workers. Restaurants and theaters are empty. Hotels are vacant. We are in a deep deep hole and things aren't getting better. They aren't .

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[NJmaverick]

130. Can you explain how you came to those opinions and conclusions

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[NJmaverick]

149. Marx has never inspired a single successful economy after all these years

I think that says something.

[Robb]

65. (spits coffee)

....Wait, so I'm supposed to believe you know "some republicans" who are disappointed at Obama over unemployment, child hunger, foreclosures, and the homeless? :rofl:

Those would be the same republicans who think Obama should be more socialist, right? :D

[RetroLounge]

69. Yawn...

Obama doesn't deserve us, or our vote.

RL

[firedupdem]

73. K&R! I truly agree. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he said those

exact words.

[phiddle]

75. More accurate statement: "My administration is the

velvet glove around the iron fist of corporate control."

[johnaries]

85. I wouldn't blame him one bit. Nothing he does seems to be

"good enough", even though he's made tremendous progress that few could have acheived in such a short time.

The Right calls him a Socialist and the Left calls him a Corporatist - he is getting it from both sides. And yet he keeps on keeping on. The Right says he's doing too much, and the Left says he's not doing enough. Well, he's got a lot to do! And he's doing it the right way - which takes time. He's not an "Unitary Executive" performing dictatorial acts that can easily be swept away by the next Administration with a simple XO - he's doing it the Constitutional way to make his changes permanent.

And he's not following rhetoric - before he acts he is gathering information from as many different sources as he can. So that he can make a balanced and informed opinion. He understands that nothing is 2-sided, but every issue is a multi-faceted diamond. And he is looking carefully at each facet.

And instead of getting the plaudits he deserves, he simply gets criticism.

But he keeps on trying to do the right thing - not for praise, but because it's the right thing to do.
:patriot:

[DCBob]

94. Not sure I would run again if I were him..

Its almost seems hopeless with more than half the country thinking he's a socialist and getting bashed continuosly from right and from the left. The media is against him. Business is against him. "Christians", Jews and Muslims are against him.. Many out there are praying for him to "disappear". Not sure its worth it.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

95. Luckily, he doesn't need to say that since his liberal critics are such small minority.

The one thing that they are good at is puffing up their numbers around here and a few other places. If you go to sites like Digg, that lean left you very rarely see the nasty bitching and moaning that you do around here. Out in the real world, the left knows who the real enemy is, and it's not the President.

[spoony]

101. Uh, doesn't that invalidate the entire OP?

If his critics on the left are so insignificantly small and exist only online, then that makes the OP and all replies about how Obama is "battered from the right and left" a load of bullshit and self-satisfied whining, no?

[Yavin4]

96. Most of Obama Critics Have Little or Nothing to Lose with a Republican President

They're not unemployed. They're not struggling. Most of them are already doing well in their lives, so it matters not to them if Palin or Romney or Jeb Bush is president. They will be okay.

It's the folks that have to struggle day to day that will get hurt.

You never heard a single apology from the Nader supporters after Katrina, did you?

[TheKentuckian]

117. I'd take that as the position of his enablers. Trust me the folks under the gun are fit to be tied.

You're probably right we have little to lose though. Folks that can see a tent in a Bushville in their future aren't going to wait happily for the trickle to reach them.

The most tolerant of conservative policy and in the tank for Obama seem to be doing pretty well.

The desperate and frightened that are wondering how to keep our heads above the water with the wealthy standing on shoulders feel day by day that we are being flushed down the fucking toilet by those in positions to lift up the American people.

Conservative Democrats are fat and happy either way as long as their bread gets buttered and the boat doesn't get rocked too terribly much. Got to maintain those property values, the markets, and the systems they think benefit them, cancerous or not.

It is fucking hysterical to hear the status quo caucus and their apologists trying to paint the disgruntled as the comfortable.

Pure projection and spin.

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[spoony]

142. Awe-inspiring bullshit

If bullshit was a river, you just carved the Grand Canyon. I dare you, I triple fucking dog dare you, to attempt to quantify that. Go on. Show us that "most Obama critics" are "already doing well in their lives" and aren't struggling day to day. Go for it.

[Cha]

98. Yeah, I'm on the "Left" and I appreciate President Obama..

Forturnately there are many more who do.

Thanks, sdaemons.

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[paulk]

118. what a waste of bandwidth

[laughingliberal]

125. Pretty much the same 'tough shit' message the left usually hears. nt

[donco6]

132. Whatever.

It sure was hot today. We just had a thunderstorm.

[Bobbie Jo]

136. Talk to teh hand.

Got it.

[uberllama42]

138. "We have literally achieved the most any progressive administration could have ever hoped"

Don't you remember how popular the public option was, and how the administration promised to fight for it, but when push came to shove it turned out they didn't really want it?

That right there is an example of something a progressive adminsitration could have gotten done, but which this one couldn't be bothered with.

[saracat]

146. Shhh. You have to pretend you don't notice! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

[bvar22]

141. Wow...Its all there.

The perfect rant from a 1/2 drunk abusive husband playing the victim card to his abused family.
I'm printing this out and saving it.

Condensed:
"You don't deserve me.
It could be much worse.
You should be happy I only beat you twice a week.
A lot of people don't have it so good.
There is something wrong with YOU for not appreciating me."

[Bobbie Jo]

144. You're equating yourself with an "abused family?" WTF?

Get a fucking grip. Seriously.

Sick.

Drunken husband?

Show me your scars, and I'll show you mine.

[donco6]

151. I would recommend counseling for them. . .

But it would be Ignored.

[w4rma]

148. Except Obama is committing political suicide by pick the side the majority opposes.

When the nation wants something he picks the unpopular position to appease Republicans!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

154. LOL. yeah.

[QC]

158. Hmmm, this thread is missing something....

There we go.

[Bobbie Jo]

159. Oh the irony.

[YOY]

160. Ol' man RIVERRRR!!!!

n/t

[rachael7]

161. Better than the other guy is not good enough

This "better than the alternative" stuff is weak sauce, if you ask me. Yes, there are political realities in play. But Obama still gets to make decisions and he's made some pretty poor ones in the minds of a lot of people I know. And I can tell you the voter apathy thing seems pretty real around the area where I live, and not just on political forums either. People want to see real, radical, meaningful change - that's what they thought they voted for - and bottom line, it ain't happening. You can lecture all you'd like about "President Palin", but it just won't change the way a huge chunk of the country feels.

[costahawk1987]

163. Some have given up on him...

Some were never in his corner in the first place. Some, I, believe he has made some good and some bad decisions and fully expect him to become an even better president. Some think he pisses 18-K gold, shits platinum and has diamonds come out of his ears instead of wax.

[kjackson227]

165. Yep, ingrates for sure. I guess they'll be satisfied when we turn...

this country back over to the RepubliCONS. Hmmm. I remember a saying that goes "You never miss your water til your well runs dry".

[Lilith Velkor]

166. In other words, Obama should be more like Sarah Palin.

That explains a lot. Very enlightening post. :thumbsup:

[LittleBlue]

169. WE ARE NOT WORTHY OF HIS PRESENCE!

FOUL HEATHENS, YOUR WRETCHEDNESS OFFENDS OUR GOD! CAST THINE VOTE AND BEGONE!

[digidigido]

171. There is something incredibly depressing about a bunch

of people who represnt themselves as Liberal Democrats, but are truly more like Eisenhower Republicans
Maybe Phil Ochs was right, a Liberal is someone 10 degrees to the left of center in good times and
10 degrees to the right of center in bad. The only problem is this country is 40 degrees to the right of
its 1960's center

[akbacchus_BC]

175. Too late to recommend. Thank goodness President Obama is not

a quitter like you know who (let me remind myself, one wanted to postpone his campaign and the other one quited - frigging quitters they are)!

Most of us know that he is not perfect (however, his critics want him to be perfect as if they are) but darn, he is trying his best with the deck he inherited. Having said this, I hope President Obama realizes that bipartisanship is not going to work with the GOP. Enough with that hope already! How many times they need to kick him for him to realize it is not working?

And remember, I am on President Obama side. I want him to succeed and have another term but he has to start kicking some asses to get his agenda through. Who knows if the House and Congress will still be Democratic but far as I see, a lot of Dems are voting with the GOP. Can't the constituencies of these GOP lovers vote real Dems in?

[SkyDaddy7]

177. I agree 110%!

Wonderful speech! However, you are very correct in saying President Obama won't quit America even though many on his own team have abandoned him.

Obama even told EVERYONE many times that "change" would take a long time! America did not get in this mess overnight and "Change" won't happen overnight either...Many have forgot this and want what they want now or nothing at all. SAD!

It is one thing to criticize and push for what you want but to completely abandon President Obama and act as if ANY candidate could have produce more "Change" in 18 months than what Obama has done in this political climate is foolish!