"He better start dancin' with them that brung him.".......

[monmouth]

After getting the mail this afternoon, the usual suspects were on the "front porch/patio." We discuss the usual, mostly how it's so much nicer down here in Florida than up north, and the tales our kids are telling us about the heat up there. This group is mostly leftish and Dems, a few repubs but they've been quiet around us when talks turn to politics.

Anyway, Miss Louise is one of our favs. She is in her early 90s (she won't get specific about that)and the buzz is that she has had a very hard life. She still housekeeps for a few residents here to pick up a few extra $$ to supplement her income. A very strong, sharp as a blade and not afraid to speak her mind. We love her! The actual conversation started off with a discussion re "Charlie" as we call him. No Gov. Crist, just "Charlie." Everyone knows who you're talking about and the porch/patio likes him. The repubs have treated him like dirt and the concensus is he made the right choice by dumping them and coming "into the light." The group is convinced he will trample Rubio, Meek is nowhere even in the discussion.

Now we get to Prez. The repubs are listening but saying nothing which makes me a little nervous because I don't know how this conversation is going to go. Social Security is a large part of the income here and folks are NOT happy at all with the prospect of not receiving an increase again. POTUS is a fine man, a beautiful family and was left a horrid mess to clean up. He can't do it all, especially since he's only been in office eighteen months....blah, blah, blah. Miss Louise: "Well, I'll tell ya, if he don't straighten up and start dancin' with them that brung him, he better not sell that house in Illinois too quick." Crickets..... It is not relevant that Miss Louise is African American, but she did say her Church group doesn't talk about him as much anymore.

Many of us have voiced our displeasure over the past weeks/months or so and this conversation really did not happen until today. We have not talked much about him either, unhappy with many of his decisions but afraid to voice them to each other. Miss Louise, the Helen Thomas of our patio/porch went there. Charlie is more popular than Obama right now..... Crickets.

[Jim Sagle]

1. The unrec crowd has been busy, I see. K & R

[roguevalley]

33. damn. I thought this was a labron thread. :)

[SunsetDreams]

2. "It is not relevant that Miss Louise is African American"

why bring it up then?:shrug:

[monmouth]

3. To make the point we are not all white. Problem????

[SunsetDreams]

4. Everyone knows that we are not all white

I'm just wondering why that matters in your story?

[monmouth]

5. Oh FFS, pick that nit somewhere else, okay? The people on the patio

is what I was talking about.

[SunsetDreams]

7. I'm not here to

pick a nit, just wondering why you said it was irrelevant, and then stated it anyway.
It must hold some importance to the story. That's all.
It's nice that you can gather round the patio and talk to your neighbors. Alot of people don't have that luxury to even get to know their neighbors, I think that's great. :)

[defendandprotect]

110. I liked this thread . . . and think Miss Louise is very relevant . . .

It is not relevant that Miss Louise is African American, but she did say her Church group doesn't talk about him as much anymore.

Maybe in particularly because she is African American and is telling us something about how

feelings about Obama from that ocmmunity -- her church which I presume might be AA/? --

have changed?

That could be very important --

Like the Israeli-Merry-go-Round and "anti-semitism" . . . there are still those who might suggest

that there is bias against Obama in your group because of his color!

:)

[nilram]

31. 'cause it really is relevant. If it's hard for them to be behind him,

then it's hard for anybody. Except for bankers.

[FrenchieCat]

40. For "Them" to get behind him?

Who would "them" be?

I read one person being quoted in the OP.

[truth2power]

57. Frenchie, we are all "them" in one way or another...

All of my maternal ancestors were Mennonites. "Them", if one were making a statement about that group collectively.

What about the subject at hand, i.e., "dancing with them what brung 'ya"?

[SunsetDreams]

43. oh yeah

If "them" meaning blacks, are not behind him, then that means whites or any other race cannot be.
In this case, it was "one black person" as far as we know, but "them" people all think alike right?
Oh yeah, "them blacks" can't think for themselves, they only voted for him because he was, well you know like "them".


There is so much wrong with your statement.
:crazy:

[mistertrickster]

54. Given the history of racism toward Afr-Amrs. in this country, I think it's fair to use "them."

(editted for spelling)

They, black folk as a group, are different than the majority (for now) of us who haven't had to endure what they went through historically.

One can talk about differences between groups without being judgmental and pejorative. Isn't that what the field of anthropology is based on?

Using "them" in that context is not the same as an "us and them" mentality. We're all Americans, and we're all in this together.

But to say that electing a black president had the same meaning for an African-American as for the white majority, I think ignores a lot of historical struggle for equality.

I would guess that blacks expect a lot from this president, because they rightly believe that he of all people should know what it's like, what they've been through, and go through.

I expect a lot from, say, Al Franken because I perceive that he's like me . . . he's been on the outside a long time and his beliefs have been ridiculed and demonized by right-wing hate radio just like mine for a long time.

Fortunately, Brother Al has been delivering the goods, unlike President Compromise.

[SunsetDreams]

67. only in this case, it was 1 black person

I hardly said electing a black president had the same meaning for whites as it did for blacks. I'm really not sure where your reading that. To be accurate, there is no them or they in 1. That is one person's opinion, regardless of race, they are an individual. "If it's hard for them" is hardly a fair assessment, since we are talking about 1 person here, and not a group of people.

[suzie]

85. "Black Folk", "Brother Al" -- it's now okay for Democrats to speak that way?

President Compromise -- this sounds like dialogue out of "Song of the South".

[Number23]

120. "this sounds like dialogue out of "Song of the South".

A really, REALLY bad version of it too.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear the poster you're speaking to was joking. But judging by how deranged he sounds, he probably isn't.

[bonnieS]

60. I thought the point of all that

was that the woman's church no longer talks so much about him, which would show that liberal dissatisfaction is spreading to people who had the most pride and the most motivation to see Obama succeed. That was why color was relevant, and the poster was just being wimpy in her presentation, but was understandable.

[SunsetDreams]

71. Here is a Different Twist, same story

What if I typed up this whole scenario, and it involved, let's say Bush, or for that matter, any of the previous presidents, who have all been white. I typed this: Me and my neighbors were all sitting around on the patio, when the topic of George Bush came up. My 90 year old neighbor said, "he better dance with those that brung him" or whatever would indicate that they were disappointed in him. Then I go on to say, not that it's relevant, but this person is white.

Why would it matter? I absolutely don't get this, other than to say, "oh my gosh a black person is disappointed in him", then I go on to say that supposedly her church doesn't talk about him much. I don't know what church she goes to, maybe it is an all black church, heck maybe she goes to a multiracial church for all we know. The whole moral of the OP IMO and the poster I replied to was to imply that because 1 person is dissapointed, they all must be. Those people in the church, since they don't talk about him much anymore, must mean that they are disappointed to, or maybe it just might be that they are going to church to hear the gospel not talk about politics. I like to think that, regardless of race, people can think for themselves. Some people in my family were and are racists, I'm not, that must mean I am an individual and not subject to group think.

[Arby]

88. Why hijack a post over trivial verbiage

instead of commenting on the subject at hand which should be (IMO) that the POTUS is losing his base...

[Grinchie]

105. There is is more wrong with your spin..

You can try to whip up racist fervor all you want, but the truth is a great many americans "Them" are unhappy with Obama.

It's that simple.

[truth2power]

56. Could you please just read the entire sentence? ..

"...her church group doesn't talk about him as much anymore." It could be that the OP is trying to indicate that even the African American community is having second thoughts. Maybe referring back to the OP's "dance with them that brung him". Just my $.02.

[SunsetDreams]

76. I did read the entire sentence,

see my post above. Same scenario different twist.

[NOLALady]

99. How can one decide its the

entire black community based on this individual and her Church?

My favorite Aunt attends one of the dumbest evangelical Churches in the area. She parrots right wing talking points. Last time I checked, she was still black. The Church is diverse but predominately white.

[Enthusiast]

95. It gives us a bit of perspective. nt

[eleny]

6. KR 4 Miss Louise

[MissDeeds]

18. + 1000 n/t

[Uzybone]

8. nice personal anecdote

In my neighborhood Obama is way more popular than our repub governor.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Ooh Lordie! The Black people are turning against him too!

No increase in Social Security due to the fact that the formula for computing SS payment increase wouldn't allow it...but yet two $250.00 dollar checks sent to those on SS to make up the difference thus far.

Guess I can't expect the 90 year old or whomever is writing the story to remember all of that! We can't complicate things too much, or folks will get all confused and shit! :eyes:

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[SunsetDreams]

11. Stop it HipChick

This 1 black person is very real to the OP, She is her neighbor!

[monmouth]

12. Fictitious???? How did you get that out of the OP she was

speaking for all black people??? The crazy has hit this place I see.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Isn't that how it works?

Plus it wasn't just her, it was everybody in her church Group too.....
(paraphrasing) they don't talk much about him anymore....
That woman had re-inforcement!

That's like 10 or 20 Black folks talking! That's way significant!
None of them must know about that extra $250.00 either. :bounce:

[lark]

83. Straw man agrument

It appears obvious you think Obama is great and are picking nits to discredit any who disagree and paint her/him as racist on that basis.

[Number23]

119. And don't you know that all black folks do in their church groups is talk about the President?

Who has time to talk about recipes and grandbabies when we can talk incessantly about the President, a year and a half after he's been sworn into office?? :crazy:

[Lorien]

62. I'm sure that she would be very real to you if she adored the President

geez. :eyes:

[Nite Owl]

72. Always works that way

same with the the things he said he would do and doesn't, it's ok with some unless he said he would do something and then it's others fault because 'he said'. So transparent.

[Jim Sagle]

20. When Obama's new BFF Oral Hatch wrecks Social Security, the confusion will REALLY fly..

Along with all the cat food.

[FrenchieCat]

23. I don't think Oral Hatch is Obama's new BFF.....

But thanks for playing, Paris.

[Jim Sagle]

26. There was a DAMN serious point in what I said. But I guess you're not ready for it.

[FrenchieCat]

27. I don't believe that Obama is gonna allow anyone to tear down Social Security.....

That's the myth of some here,
especially those working hard
to discredit him and the Democratic party,
cause the most important thing to those folks
is to see Democrats/Obama lose in November,
so they can Neener-neener "I told you so".
This theme of attacks is about personal pride,
and has nothing to do with policies,
and how much folks care about them.
Posing as being concerned doesn't mean
one is willing to do anything to help matters.

[griffi94]

66. right

and i didn't believe obama would sign a health bill that had mandates without a public option.
you know since he had said that he wouldn't. and yet.

[defendandprotect]

146. +1000% . . .

:)

[ihavenobias]

79. Why did President Obama stack the Deficit Commission with "fiscal conservatives"?

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/pete-petersons-anti-entitlement-juggernaut-gets-fueled-obama

I'm asking an honest and serious question. If you have evidence that this widely reported fact is not the case or a compelling, well thought out answer (no personal attacks, no generic dismissal or avoidance) as to why this is a good thing or not a bad thing ,I'd love to hear it.

Thanks.

[lark]

86. Yes, your all knowing liberalness

It's got to be them damn right wing agitators that worked hard and donated all they could to help this man - President Obama - get elected. Now all of a sudden, we're all Repugs?? Maybe we care about policy and the people more than a cult of personality? Maybe we care about results vs. all the unkept promises. Maybe we care that he's stabbed liberals in the back at every turn and panders to Repugs? Maybe we care that he's been way way behind the curve with BP and never trying to catch up while the environment dies?

If he doesn't get elected, it will be because he has turned his back on those that brought him to the dance and seems to have gone home with the right wing crowd.

But of course, Saint Obama will not be elected because we prevent him!

:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

111. Rather it's the history that Obama is building . . . putting right wingers in charge of

those decisions -- what crap!

Obama is setting up to take over what Bush couldn't pull off!

[lark]

84. There is none so blind as she who refuses to see

what's right in front of her nose. Oh yeah, Obama put him on the committee because he hates his right wing ideas and is determined not to have it privatized and put at risk.

:sarcasm:

[defendandprotect]

147. And what's amazing is how senior citizens aren't organized ... except thru AARP . . .

an insurance company!

Will this nation ever wake up!!!

Are we in a coma or what??

[defendandprotect]

112. Is Hatch also on that panel . . . that looks like a 4/5ths loaded GOP Panel . . .

taking up where Bush left off!!

Ah, bipartisanship -- what BS!!

[Jim Sagle]

141. There are some Dems on the panel - mostly (but not all) fake Dems.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63Q0HB20100427

[defendandprotect]

143. This is a rabid right wing panel . . .the fix is in-- !!

Thanks, again, Obama for taking up where Bush left off!!!

I filed the link under "conspiracies" -- !!!

[xxqqqzme]

63. What two $250.00 checks?

I haven't seen even one so what are you talking about?

[suffragette]

89. Looks to me like only a few qualify for the $250

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2012154876_medicarefraudalert19.html

Medicare is mailing $250 rebate checks to about 80,000 people this week.

Over the course of the year, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) estimates 4 million seniors, about 10 percent of those covered by Medicare, will receive the rebate checks. The checks are one-time rebates for eligible seniors who have entered the Medicare Part D doughnut hole.

~~~

Q: OK, but what is this "doughnut hole"?

A: Most seniors with Medicare have Medicare Part D for prescription drug coverage.

Some Medicare insurance plans, HMOs for example, could offer different benefits. But most plans offer standard benefits for Part D.

Part D is only for prescription drug coverage. Under the current plan, after the Medicare recipient has paid a $310 deductible, a percentage of prescription drugs are covered until the beneficiary spends $2,830 out-of-pocket.

At that point, the beneficiary is in the "doughnut hole" and pays the full price for all prescription drugs until the out-of-pocket reaches $4,550. At that point, a more catastrophic coverage plan, one that is more generous, kicks in.

Under new healthcare legislation, the $250 rebate goes to all Medicare Part D participants in 2010 after they reach the "doughnut hole." The first checks, going out now, will be sent to those who reached the "hole" in the first quarter.



So, the person in the OP might or might not ever receive it.

[Grinchie]

106. You mean the artificially deflated Consumer Price Index Frenchie?

You know it prevents a lot more things from actually keeping pace with Real inflation, instead of the fantasy prolonged by the Government...

Whan was the last time you saw the cost of Police, fire or medical emergency workers decrease? Has your water bill decreased lately due to the wonderful increased efficiency they tout all the time? Has the price of a battery gone done? Nope, they are all up, and they never go down.

The only reason the CPI is kept artificially low, is because it helps them withold COLA increases, payouts for retiree's, Social Security, Military pay, etc, etc, etc.

"Formula wouldn't allow it." The formula is dependent on manipulated inflation figures..

[Kahuna]

165. Har! My mother asked me about it today. Wants to know if they're

going to get another $250 check and when. She doesn't even need it, thanks to my dearly departed Dad.

[MissDeeds]

14. I'm sure Miss Louise did not come to this point easily

How sad that an African American woman who has waited 90 years to see the first Black president has to make such a statement.

K&R

[FrenchieCat]

16. Tragic that no one reminded her of the $250.00 check she received

that equaled out about what an increase would have provided if the formula used to calculate such would have allowed it for the year 2009....but since prices dropped (see oil prices which dropped in 2009) instead of increasing that's why there was no increase in the Social Security payments in 2009....which is why part of the stimulus was to provide a one time check of $250.00 to make up for the shortfall of no increase.

It is sad that an African American Woman in her 90s would not be reminded of such. If I was on that porch, her quotes would have been totally different....but then, that's because I stay better informed than she does....and so, I would have shared my knowledge with her, considering that the news doesn't inform about Jack Shit....and in particular about anything that would favor this President.

[MissDeeds]

17. Oh, well, how sad you weren't there

to set the lady straight.

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

19. Some things are just facts......

and sometimes with facts left out, one gets a particular perspective,
but once facts are included, you'd hope that one's perspective
could change....or else this front porch discussion is no better than a poll,
where one doesn't exchange any substansive information on actual policy,
just the part they feel like including,
which would make some of those folks uninformed or willfully trying to manipulate
the outcome of such a conversation.

I have an 85 year old Black Grandmother,
and truth be told, she doesn't profess to knowing everything,
and in fact, she's actually quite humble about what she does know....
and if she's reminded that she received a $250.00 check and explained
why there was no increase, she'd judge our conversation has having been
a good informational one......but then she knows that between her and I,
I am the political one, not her.
I'm guessing that humility is something that is probably part of that
Black 90 year old woman on the porch (good to see she can still get around)......
because I've met a few in my days...
especially when I go to the Black Baptist church that my hubby occasionally preaches at,
or when I accompany him to visit the elderly residential homes in Oakland that the
church sponsors, where he also preaches to church groups.

Too bad no one sitting on that porch brought out the facts.
Seems like a wasted opportunity...but perhaps the conversations
without certain fact went just as one would have hoped,
if one wanted to influence others in tearing this President down,
although I would have to hope that this wouldn't ever be the case,
especially in Democratic circles, considering the alternatives.....
a 90 Year old African-American woman with no social security,
cause that is certainly what the alternative offers up.
I'm surprised that a 90 year old Black woman wouldn't care for Meeks.
That's also quite tragic, as he is more liberal than Charlie Crist,
quite likeable, especially to 90 year old (he would remind her of her great-grandson)!

[DURHAM D]

173. What $250 bucks are you talking about?

I didn't get a check.

Are you talking about the Part D people in the doughnut hole? If so, why have you assumed the woman in question is even in the doughnut hole?

[glowing]

30. Really? You would tell a lady who's 90 who still has to work to subsidize living expenses

that ss doesn't cover that she's oh so better off because of that $250.00. The antiquated COL standards and poverty levels are already ridiculously low.

Listen, I know its a shit-ass job. I can't imagine having to be President under these circumstances. AND I know we are living through history. We won't have a real perspective for another 10 years at least. On the other hand there are text book examples of what to do when facing a depression... AND a way forward in creating home grown jobs. It takes courage, it takes a bully pulpit, it takes using the energy that got you elected into creating the fabric of which you seek.

I live in FL too, hard hit, run by pukes who are dirty to the core. Sadly, this state is one that between the young and the minority could overtake the shitbags.. it takes organizing and realizing the potential power.. but its hard to do with so many implants (people who come from all over trying with no real core roots). As it is the wealth is at the top and they are not willingly sharing. Too many are treated like second class citizens. Civil rights are assaulted from all fronts; even the white house. I know the Senate is a mess.. that's when you use your pulpit and you tell the people who got you where you are to activate.

And for goodness sake, stop throwing liberals under the bus. For the most part, we have been right about most things for a long time.

Edit: I took out an expression I hear, but don't want to be accussed of making up or getting blacklisted because of it.. so, I deleted...

[lark]

87. Good rebuttal!! Thanks for taking the high road.

:toast:

[noamnety]

34. Maybe she was hoping for a more substantial change

than someone trying to buy her off with 20 bucks a month.

I know you are very focused in this thread on that two hundred and fifty dollars, you've brought it up a bunch of times. But recognize that that may not address what her real concerns are. Just looking at SS alone, it's fine to argue that the cost of living hasn't gone up, but that index is based on blue collar worker expenses and doesn't take into account real cost increases for people on social security. The COLA is based on an assumption that 5% of your income is spent on health care, which may be true for an able bodied 30 year old, but it's most definitely not true for most people her age.

I assume she's smart enough to recognize when she's getting screwed over. You assume she's too stupid to figure that out.

[FrenchieCat]

37. It is about what a raise would have amounted to.......

and I'm not sure what anyone would have thought was supposed to happen instead?\

Did seniors, during this economy, believe that they were
gonna get a big giant benefit increase, and if so,
why would they think it?

It's not like Obama promised anything like it during his campaign...of two years.
Never once did he say, we were all gonna start getting bigger government payments
now, I'm gonna nationalize the Banks, let the automobile industry go bankrupt,
close down the oil companies, everyone can get free healthcare, and I'm gonna end
the war in Afghanistan as soon as I get elected.

Considering that we were right on the brink of collapse when he took office,
and even while he was running, your points of off......

However, I'm sure that you believe you were screwed over...
for whatever your reasons. Many people do. It's always feels
good that everything is one person's fault. Makes blaming
that much easier.

[noamnety]

50. She may have mistakenly thought, like many, that his election

would reverse the trend of the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. Or if not that, she may have thought that it would at least allow her to hold steady when it came to government benefits.

When you are financially well off it's a lot easier to portray politics as an academic chess game or to focus on how great the first lady looks in the latest fashion photos.

When the policies mean you suddenly have to cut back even more on necessities, and they are called that for a reason, you have a different perspective than someone living in comfortable middle classville. You don't have that luxury of talking in academic terms. It's a matter of survival. And if you live in the world where your medication can't be paid because your real world/real dollar benefits were decreased while CEOs got massive bailouts and used them for bonuses, you notice.

All the hyperbolic strawmen in the world about "they musta thought banks would be nationalized and everyone would get free healthcare and great big giant increases" doesn't hide their reality from them. They can see where the money is going, and it's not a secret that new (not old, new) policies and votes have resulted in the rich continuing to get richer while the poor get poorer.

[zabet]

153. But that raise

would have continued on for the length of time they draw SS....potentially reaching far more than the one time check of 250 dollars. I have lived on SS for the past 9 years and let me tell you, that 20 bucks a month can make far more difference than a one time windfall of 250 dollars. Don't even get started about the doughnut hole in the medicare prescription med coverage.....because I just hit it and now my meds are going to be unaffordable until January. My costs jumped from 157 dollars a month to 698 dollars a month. Tell me how I am supposed to live on what is left out of my check every month...I can either pay my utilities or eat. I already had to cancel vehicle insurance and am looking for other ways to cut costs.

My point being, unless you have lived on SS, you have not a clue what it is to like, therefore, all you are doing is making assumptions.

Seniors did not expect a giant increase, just the norm of the minute yearly raise they have come accustomed to.

[Forkboy]

41. She's another one of those ungrateful Americans.

[stray cat]

15. Better start dancing? Isn't he the president of the nation and not a date?

but threats are always good - it brings back pleasant memories of tea parties.

[SharonAnn]

29. It's a phrase even Molly Ivins used.

[Enthusiast]

101. I remember her saying that. nt

[spoony]

35. It must be difficult going through life, taking everything literally.

"I see no cats or dogs raining from the sky! Why would you say such a thing, it's just water like normal rain!"

[donco6]

49. It's a really old saying.

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1836 - But what I will tell you is that for 13 days in 1836, the center of the universe was this mission. The city fathers and tourist czars know that. They are not fools. As we like to say in Texas, ya dance with the one that brung ya. So the Alamo has been made ...But what I will tell you is that for 13 days in 1836, the center of the universe was this mission. The city fathers and tourist czars know that. They are not fools. As we like to say in Texas, ya dance with the one that brung ya. So the Alamo has been made into one heck of a tourist opportunity. It has a recognizable exterior-no matter that that exterior wasn't really intact on that fateful day, but there I go again, telling you stuff John Wayne would rather you didn't know.
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Sep 19, 2000 - And that despite arguments to the contrary, there really is a wage gap between men and women when you consider it is women who often must make ... It is difficult for families that have had to deal with the catastrophic illness of a loved one, or for a mother who has given birth to a ...
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8.
2006
Jan 22, 2006 - There is an old saying: "Dance with the one that brung you." Today many people whose grandfathers voted as mine did have left the Democratic Party. Those in the party who demand that we stay the course force people like my grandfather, a coal miner and gun owner, to vote against their ...
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9.
2008
Jun 30, 2008 - Well, downtown can call it hardball if they want, but Bay Guardian Editor Tim Redmond seems to agree – this is about dancing with the one who brung ya. The progressives ran a slate of candidates with the aim of changing the local party, the local party power structure and the local ...
From Dancing With the One Who Brung Ya | Fog City Journal - Related web pages
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10.
2009
Apr 22, 2009 - Royal's reply was, “You ought to dance with one who brung you!” I have always translated that to mean, whatever or whoever makes you what you are—don't ... The Cooperative Program has allowed us to field and fund the greatest missionary enterprise in the history of Christian missions. ...
From Point of View: Dancing with the one who 'brung' you - Florida Baptist … - Related web pages
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[suzie]

53. deleted

[nradisic]

21. Perception is reality for one self...

Barack better wake up...Amen Miss Louise.

[CBR]

22. I have a mentor. She is 54 and African-American.

She has worked in community development, community organizing and environmental justice her entire adult life. I have worked with her for 8 years. She recently said to me, "CBR, I am sick of people turning on the President. You and I know where this shortsightedness comes from. Different Standards."

Just adding another perspective.

[FrenchieCat]

25. My Black friends and associates are also of a different mind from this older Senior....

Note that I am Black, and so are quite a few of the people I associate with.
In fact, I'd say that I have a pretty firm grasp on the leanings of the Black Community
who vote in general, and even those who don't......but what I hear a lot of variation of the same exasperation about how Obama is treated. A compilation of those statements are: "They blame this guy for everything! Why do they think he came with a magic wand? Guess he didn't instantly clean up their shit, and they turned on him, but you know, that's White People for you!"

Hell, you can turn on C-Span and hear the same thing I'm hearing day in, day out.....
When you think a Black person is talking, that is most likely what they are saying....
although they refrain from saying "that's White People for you" in mixed company....
but don't think that it isn't said, cause it is. This isn't being said to put all White
Folks in the same bag, but simply that there enough to equal many, like a majority of White Folks.

[NOLALady]

102. Frenchie,

I'm hearing pretty much the same thing in my circles.

"They blame this guy for everything! Why do they think he came with a magic wand? Guess he didn't instantly clean up their shit, and they turned on him, but you know, that's White People for you!"

[liberation]

114. Well... then he shouldn't have owned the clusterfuck from the previous guy...

The buck, the president's desk, stops... etc.

He was talking about "change" not "same old same old with a nicer attitude."

[defendandprotect]

148. Not what I'm hearing ... there's no joy among AAs that I'm aware of ...

great disappointment in Obama --

[uponit7771]

115. AMEN!!!!

[saracat]

127. Really cute remark. Nice trying to put remarks in the mouths of

unidentified groups of people. Painting all African Americans with quite a broad brush ,there aren't you? No one ethnic group holds the same impression of anyone. I have attended many meetings of my Democratic African American Democratic caucus and they do not agree on everything, including the president. But according to you they must alter their entire agenda because a single white person was present!


"They blame this guy for everything! Why do they think he came with a magic wand? Guess he didn't instantly clean up their shit, and they turned on him, but you know, that's White People for you!"

[jaysunb]

136. Thank you, thank you, thank you

I watched this same sick shit back in the 60's when our so called liberal "friends" somehow believed that with a stroke of his pen LBJ made everything even.

Same shit, different day. :evilfrown:

[otohara]

68. Lowered Bar for Bush - Elevated to Unattainable Heights

for this POTUS...

He over promised and was naive to think the GOP would lift a finger to help him, but then he wouldn't have been elected...and we'd have President Palin (because she would have overshadowed old man McCain, just as Cheney did to Bush.

[Cha]

164. Thanks CBR.. there's lots of different perspectives other

than the tunnelvision negative ones..thank you for yours.

[firedupdem]

24. Really? Wow? Well, my grannies church group is filled with 80

and 90 year olds and they love this President and think he's doing a fine job. My grannies church group doesn't "talk about him much" either....they pray for his strength and that he continues to make good decisions.

[Name removed]

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[akbacchus_BC]

32. Nobody brung him, he campaigned and won. This blew the rethungs

minds. A black guy is president and see how the ants coming out of the woodwork. He is not perfect but he needs to let go to the bipartisan shit, that is something he never thought he would encounter!

Fuck the rethugs and do what you promised President Obama. Overturn DADT, stop the spying on US Citizens. Close Gitmo and get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Furthermore, close the bases in the other 100 countries! Make a difference Mr. President, like you promised!

Then you will be the President whom the world supported!

[tavalon]

36. We are the ones who brung him

Even those of us who are far more liberal than him and his impossible Chief of Staff. It's a Molly Ivins quote and quite apropos.

[FrenchieCat]

38. Yes, all of us.......

even those who weren't as Liberal, the youth, folks of color, all kinds.
Considering that many groups want different things, it's gonna take a while
making everyone happy...and make the world peachy keen once more.

[Amonester]

64. +1 trillion of billions.

Unfortunately, the $h/it/adow Government power$ that B got him a few 47 years-old movie clips of one of the best President of the Free World (of the workers)'s beautiful family's tragedy.

[BklnDem75]

39. Different story from my side

Everyone in my parents church love Obama and pray for his well being all the time. The conversations there are similar to the ones Frenchie mentioned, where they see the very obvious attempts to blame Obama for everything. I guess the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn isn't mainstream enough.

[impik]

42. I wish this woman all the best (if she even exist)

But the president will not dance with anyone who claim to "brung him".

[tekisui]

44. Been saying it for nearly a year.

It is up to Obama to keep a winning coalition together. He seems to think he can build a coalition without the left. Screw the anti-war, screw the unions, screw the environmentalists, screw the GLBT.

He is going to have to keep moving right to find the people to build a majority unless he takes a hard left. (not holding my breath)

[impik]

45. Tell Miss Louise to hang in there. Only two more years to suffer.

And then all will be fine.

[Kaylee]

52. !?! And then what? Palin will save us all?

I try to limit myself to lurking nowadays. But, I must of clicked on this post 100 times and I just had to respond to this post for clarification.

[jonnyblitz]

58. i try to limit myself to lurking as well but it never seems to work.

I am actually trying to ween myself from this place all together but to no avail. I am too much of a news/issues junkie even though all my current opinions about the DEMS/Obama break all the DU rules.

[Moonwalk]

73. My thought exactly. Miss Louise can brung someone else to the party...

Who undoubtedly will lose to whoever the Repugs bring. And then, as the Repugs dismantle SS and any healthcare we have, and give all the tax breaks to the rich while picking the pockets of the poor like Miss Louise...well, she can sit out there with the other homeless reminiscing on how nice the dance was while Obama was in Office.

From my P.O.V. you can complain and bitch about Obama's disappointments all you like. Hey, I've got plenty of my own. I'm not completely happy with him by any stretch. And yeah, he should be dancing with them that brung him. But I'd like to know just one thing if we're going to sit on the sidelines watching him dance with others, bitching and complaining. Who are we going to put in his place, and can they beat the GOP candidate? If you can't answer that, then I'm not impressed. Not even by 90-year-old Miss Louise.

[meow mix]

46. turned 18 in 1990 and have voted with the dems every election.

but throw me under the bus? definetly skipping the next one have i no other choice at this point.

[disillusioned73]

47. Thanks for sharing this story...

I GOT the point of it and it is quite telling...

[a la izquierda]

48. slightly off topic, but...

i saw an SUV barrelling down the road yesterday. i live in oklahoma and was out on my bike in a rural part of my county. anyway, the SUV, which had OK plates, had a Mary Fallin sticker(OK Gov candidate) and a Marco Rubio sticker on the back window. I thought "WTF?" The stupid driver had nearly run me off the road.
Idiots. I wonder, is Rubio as big a buffoon/idiot/jackass as Fallin?

[peace frog]

82. Rubio is the teabaggers' choice

her in F-L-A. 'Nuff said, heh.

[loudsue]

51. Even though some are trying to pick a fight here, I think it's interesting

about the whole scene you painted. I live in the south, also, and all the white people around this rural area think all of Obama's programs have helped black Americans most of all, and yet most liberals/blacks/independents think he's too much of a globalist/conservative. There is no middle ground for Obama to stand on that is safe from the factions that have been carefully divided.

The news media, and some individuals, are having a party these days trying to cause discord and fights over race, class, and anything else they can think of. And, if this board is any indication, it is working like a charm.

I just wish people would wake up and quit with all the divisiveness that is being fed to us at every turn.....newspapers, radio, teevee, blogs, etc. We're ALL being had....even Obama.

[TBF]

75. You're right about everyone being "had" -

not sure if Obama fits in that category or not. It doesn't really matter though.

The point is that we are all being snowed, and the divisiveness is just one ploy to keep folks from focusing on the reality of our class situation. We've had 30 years of very conservative rule in this country (including Clinton with NAFTA), and that gap between rich & poor keeps growing. Until we start seriously talking about that it is business as usually for the elite who own/control everything.

[loudsue]

80. Absolutely agree.

It has become glaringly evident in this country, because so many of us have had such a long, hard fall from the middle class. However, I think that people all over the world who have only recently (the last decade or so) seen the new globalism at work are also seeing very clearly how this whole ponzi scheme works.

We, as the human race, are going to have to decide if we're going to be slaves to a few, or a global community of the many, and we're going to have to decide it pretty damned soon. Food and water are quickly running out, and guess who will have control of those things? The few. The proud. The rulers.

[unapatriciated]

125. "We're ALL being had....even Obama."

I think this pretty much sums up how I feel.
President Obama is an intelligent and kind man but just like Carter, he has picked some really bad advisers. I think he really believed that the centrist approach would unite the R's and D's and they would do what was best for all of us. I think he was a little naive to believe he could accomplish that. He didn't create this mess, but in allowing those that did so much control doesn't help solve our problems. It only compounds them.

[Scuba]

55. Agreed. If the first eighteen months...

...had been spent ending the wars, passing single-payer healthcare and locking up the Wall Street crooks, he'd be sure of re-election.

[HipChick]

81. and if only he brought his magic wand..

when he was elected..

[NOLALady]

104. And if he is not re elected,

we will get the governmenet we want and deserve.

[Scuba]

150. If he's not re-elected we certainly won't get the gov't I want....

...there is no candidate with values more similar to mine than Barack Obama, with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinik.

Hopefully the Dems will gain seats in November. Up here that means returning Russ Feingold to the Senate.

www.russfeingold.org

[quiet.american]

59. Too bad there was no one on that porch to really speak up for the Prez.

Just saying.

Look, Miss Louise may be as sweet as sugar on a peach, but just because you're 90 doesn't mean every word you speak is a pearl of genuine wisdom.

Obama's been working his ass off to make sure Social Security stays solvent into the future as does Medicare and Medicaid. Healthcare reform lowers drug costs for seniors; there's $5 million in the FDA budget to build infrastructure for managing imported prescription drugs so that Americans can start buying them; etc., etc.,

It's not enough that Obama's policies kept the country from an economic implosion which could have stopped those SS checks from coming at all; not enough that seniors immediately received $250.00 stimulus checks; not enough that seniors who need the help are getting $250.00 to help cover the costs of their prescription drugs; not enough that he is working on cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term so that there is a good chance that those Social Security checks keep coming in the future; no -- all that can be thought of to do is to sit there "tsk-tsking" him.

It's really unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Amonester]

65. How about sending these poor people 4 times $250.00 and pay...

for it with the money that ends up into corrupt rich Afghanis' unchecked luggage, and who use SOME of the loot to buy luxurious condos in Dubai?

Yeah. Thought so... The more things change, the more they get worse.

[quiet.american]

69. While we're at it, just give everyone a winning lotto tkt, too!

Hey, no need to deal in reality!

[Amonester]

70. Looks like you have no problem with that reality.

Quiet americans have no problem with the reality of sending 1000 times $250.00 cash to rich Afghans while they can't afford their own meds.

I knew that.

[quiet.american]

74. I have a feeling that no matter what the reality, you will "know" what you "know." nt

[defendandprotect]

108. Ah . . . there's that pony again . . . this time a lottery ticket . . .

Wow . . .

let's see, that pony keeps morphing -- yesterday it was "Superman"!!

[HughMoran]

103. Anecdotes from 90 year olds is all they have left to hang their hat on

It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Pretty damned pathetic.

Think? nah!

Facts? nah!

anecdotes! Oh, yeah!

let's destroy the Democratic party because we don't do FACTS any more, nope, homespun anecdotes JUST LIKE THE REPUBLICANS!!!

What's next?

:eyes:

[depakid]

134. In case you hadn't noticed- Republicans are about even odds to take back the House

Why do you think that happened?

[spoony]

126. Yeah, maybe Message Discipline LLC should expand

with roaming squads of their online equivalents, eavesdropping on people and berating them for not supporting The President enough.

[DCBob]

61. He is already.. and most like the way he "moves"... his approval among Dems is very high..

80+% last time I checked. That sounds like he is dancing with the right people to me.

[bvar22]

77. K&R....up tp +118

Thanks for the testimony.
Looks like it resonates with a lot of Democrats.
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.
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[northoftheborder]

78. Touchy, touchy, touchy.....now, now people

"He better start dancin' with those who brung him" extremely relevant point.

[peace frog]

90. Quite relevant when you consider

this WH probably believes they have been dancing with them what brung 'em = terminal tone-deafness.

[femrap]

91. I love

Miss Louise's Truth!

[AllyCat]

92. It's so frustrating how politicians say something that sounds like what we want to hear

and then do something that goes against what we wanted. Almost all of them do it. They all deserve to lose their jobs for doing it. It's time to stop the advertising that is campaigning and start talking about what needs to be done and then frickin' do it. I agree with your neighbor.

[valerief]

93. I think Goldman and BP have his dance card full, unfortunately, along with Congress and SCOTUS. nt

[bvar22]

94. I don't believe there is enough time...

...for Obama to suddenly become a People's Advocate.

"...business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care preserved the private delivery system; the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus."---Rahm

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18FE-70B2-A835FE1E7FA8D74C

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[GeorgeGist]

96. Don't tell Louise (she sounds sweet)

but he is dancing with them that brung him.

[GeorgeGist]

Don't tell Louise (she sounds sweet)

but he is dancing with them that brung him.

[GeorgeGist]

97. Don't tell Louise (she sounds sweet)

but he is dancing with them that brung him.

[pleah]

98. K&R

[Enthusiast]

100. K&R. Monmouth, you created an interesting

and informative OP that was immediately hijacked with the purpose of injecting a bit of obfuscation into the discussion. The hijackers do this to disrupt what they consider to be criticism of President Obama. However, many of us feel it is "constructive criticism" and therefore serves a valuable purpose.

[defendandprotect]

107. I'm with Miss Louise . . .

but unfortunately, I think Obama filled his dance card without putting us on it!!

Too many issues overlaid with pro-corporate solutions --

and full steam ahead on attacking Social Security and Medicare!

Guess that explains why Obama/Baucus didn't want to complicate things by expanding

MEDICARE!!???

[HipChick]

109. I'm guessing Miss Louise must never go to a African-American Barber or Beauty Salon

her rhetoric is very different from the sounding board that comes out of those places..


or maybe she's bald..

She kinda sound like the "I have a black friend" thing, so it must be true

[saracat]

118. Maybe she can't afford to go? My non black Aunt is 87, still working

full time for a law firm and can't afford a hairdresser and has never gotten her nails done. She isn't eating cat food yet and is holding on to her house, which is paid off but barely.She has to work to pay the taxes, and buy food. She isn't happy with this Admin and wasn't happy with the last either.According to you POV, she should get a better job or stop whining.
And aside from the obvious, she is trapped in her job because she has no car and can walk there.There isn't public transportation in her town.

[ProSense]

124. "She kinda sound like the 'I have a black friend' thing, so it must be true"

Well, the thread does have more than 190 recs so it must be true.

The fact is that it isn't clear what this is supposed to mean. Is it that African Americans or seniors are unhappy?

The President has tremendous support in the black community and seniors, who were the weakest among his supporters, are still behind the President.

It's like an anecdote tailor made for the disappointed.

:rofl:

[saracat]

129. As I said, I have an 87 year old Aunt who is still working full time. She can't retire and is just

lucky they are willing to still let her work. And she wasn't impressed with the $250 checks either and is worried not only about SS but the economy in general. She lives in a very small house that is paid up in a very affluent neighborhood. She has to work to eat and pay her taxes.$500 didn't make a dent for her. She frequently says, she will have to work till she dies now. And she is not alone.

[ProSense]

131. Well some people are hard to please.

Any one who is 87 and still having to work, who is not impressed with a $250 check they had no way of knowing they'd be getting, isn't likely to be pleased with anything the administration does.

[saracat]

133. When your taxes alone are over $7000 a year, and you are a cancer survivor walking

to work every day in all kinds of weather, it is hard to be "satified with a $250 check" in this economy. She doesn't blame the president for causing it but she doesn't think he is fixing it either. Yeah, I suppose she is just an ingrate.

[ProSense]

135. Sorry, I still don't get

not being satisfied with something that very well could not have materialized had health care reform failed. Also, if she is working full time, she must have gotten the making work pay credit which was about $400.

[saracat]

138. Whoopee. That didn't even help much when her water heater exploded.

And BtW, lest some think she is living in a mansion, she lives in what was once the gatekeepers house and it is a mere 1200 sq feet or less. I may be 900 sq . feet. And yet she is luckier that my husband and myself. We didn't even get the $400 because living off depleting our savings is called "income" and is taxed but we weren't entitled to the rebate because we have no job. Whoopi again. But I am somehow supposed to be grateful, and so is she. Why I can't quite figure out. But I will continue to vote Democratic as the lesser of the two evils but I am beginning to wonder why. At least we have some good Democrats but they are few and far between.

[havocmom]

128. Huh? Why is supposed to sound like what you equate to an AA salon sound?

One might consider that salons in different areas might have a different 'sound' and the sound thing is pretty broad brush

Then there is the matter that a lot of people do not go to barber shops or beauty salons without bald being a factor. havocmom has not been to a salon or barber shop in over a decade and a half and has a head full of very nice hair. Either salon patron or bald? WTF? Again, broad brush tends to miss a lot of possibilities.

But, it could be the 'sound' thing so it must be true. Honestly now, how in the devil do you think all AA women would sound like your version of an AA beauty salon clientele? Stereotyping is a rather risky practice.

[spoony]

161. How many times in this thread are you going to call the OP a liar?

Just replacing the ones that have been deleted?

[liberation]

113. Housekeeping at 90+ years of age...

... well if that ain't "genuinely" American.

[uponit7771]

116. *******ANOTHER KNEE JERK ANTI OBAMA THREAD******* 95 +% of AA community approve of Obama YOUR...

...information is anecdotal on its face.

[Number23]

122. What? You think the OP and everyone screaming about "Ms. Louise's 'truth" don't already know this??

:shrug:


And I think his approval among blacks is closer to 89%.
But if ONE BLACK WOMAN in her 90s has turned on him, the rest of us can't be far behind!!!one!eleven :scared: :scared:

Edit: I just realized. You know how the polls say that somewhere between 83-85% of liberals support Obama and his polices? About that number, slightly more, of minorities approve of him as well. Something like 90% of blacks, 80% of Hispanics and I'm not sure what the numbers are for Asians but last I saw, they were also in the 80s in favor.

Why are the poll numbers for minorities unquestioned here, but not a day goes by without at least 10 people saying that the polls reflecting the President's liberal support are "wrong" or "lies?" What's up with that??

[suzie]

137. Think where we'd be if Lincoln had been given only 18 months.

Well, actually maybe that's too scary to think about.

[Stinky The Clown]

117. One of my tenants is a sigle woman who is strong in her church. We often discussed . . . . .

. . . . politics, particularly back when Obama was still a candidate.. We agree on much, particularly our favor for our Congressman, Elijah Cummings, and our shared-in-common Senate hopeful, Kweisi Mfume. She was very pleased when she had finally convinced her youngest daughter to vote, and she voted for Obama. Since then, we've shared political conversation along with talk of the Ravens (she's a rabid fan, I'm not), the cellar-dwelling Orioles (we both cry in our beers over this) and any of a host of chit chat topics.

I was there recently to have a look at one of the AC units.

I asked her what she thought about where we are and where we're going. She works for the city schools as an administrator. She is very unhappy. Her friend, who was visiting, related the same thing and added that at church they no longer mention him (not that their church is particularly political, as far as I can tell).

Just an anecdote.

[HughMoran]

151. Not surprised

Ever consider relaying a positive anecdote from time to time, or is that verboten?

[Stinky The Clown]

162. My rose colored glasses are hard to clean, so I have found it best to simply keep my eyes open and

see things as they are.

[Stinky The Clown]

163. When good news gets posted, where are you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8715652

Ever consider replying in a positive way from time to time or is that verboten?

[ProSense]

121. "he better not sell that house in Illinois too quick"

Good grief.

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[HipChick]

130. Wow...it's a good thing Americans didn't give up on Roosevelt 18 months into his presidency..

Funny....I kinda expect 'Miss Louise' to remember that..

[defendandprotect]

144. FDR fought the right -- by action and deed -- and verbally -- every chance he could!!

Read the speeches --

Read the writings --

What "Miss Louise" is telling you is how widespread this loss of faith is --

Not "funny" -- it's brutally sad!!

Obama has been on the wrong track from day one --

did that happen by accident?

Take a look at the Social Security Panel he's just set up --

filled with rabid right wingers -- !!!

Is that by accident?

[jonnyblitz]

155. oh please, Obama is hardly Roosevelt. nt

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

132. Oops wrong thread -- self delete.

[Number23]

139. Hey, TD. Where are you?? Where am I???

:rofl:

Upon further review, I think it would definitely have to be Ms. Cleo. :)

As for the OP, I think Obama is very much aware of who ahem, "brung him" to the dance. His approval ratings amongst core Democratic constituencies seems to be reflective of that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

140. I don't know. It's as if I never existed? I was scrubbed.

:rofl:

Seriously, those of us "who brung him" will be there again in '12. The alternatives are just too gruesome to even contemplate. So I hope Miss Louise, who at 90, should probably be thanking her lucky stars that she's still collecting a SS check...period. As for an increase, she should probably talk to the folks who are still lucky enough to have a job, and have to deal with pay freezes. Perhaps she needs to speak with the unemployed folks who have run out of extensions. Seniors aren't the only ones who are experiencing hard times right now.

[defendandprotect]

145. Yes . . . let's all be thankful for the downward spiral . . .

and not think about where it is taking us --

[Tarheel_Dem]

149. Did I ask you not to think about your downward spiral? You should probably move on.

I so vehemently disagree with damned near everything you utter, so it's probably best if you place me on ignore?

[HughMoran]

152. Awful some of the negativity huh?

:wtf:

[defendandprotect]

157. The downward spiral is the "negativity" . . . believe it or not --

[defendandprotect]

156. Here's what you said . . . about Miss Louise's downward spiral . . .

Seriously, those of us "who brung him" will be there again in '12. The alternatives are just too gruesome to even contemplate. So I hope Miss Louise, who at 90, should probably be thanking her lucky stars that she's still collecting a SS check...period. As for an increase, she should probably talk to the folks who are still lucky enough to have a job, and have to deal with pay freezes. Perhaps she needs to speak with the unemployed folks who have run out of extensions. Seniors aren't the only ones who are experiencing hard times right now.


Sounds like you're worshipping the downward spiral rather than fighting it --


And, typical -- dish it out to Miss Louise . . . but can't take it?


And, hey -- glad to know that you're reading my posts! Thanks!

[OwnedByFerrets]

142. Unfortunately, he is dancin with the ones who brung him.....

the corporations and big business.

[lynne]

154. My grandmother used to say that and I'd not heard the expression in years -

- I can't get over how this thread has evolved into a debate as to if Miss Louise even exists in lieu of her statement.

Hey, we can kill the messenger and ignore the message. November will tell us if Miss Louise exists. However, it will be too late by then.

FWIW, I have no doubts about Miss Louise as that expression is rather archaic. I doubt that younger people would pull that expression from the top of their heads. Oh, and she is right, too.

[LWolf]

158. Miss Louise is right. nt

[Robb]

166. Is that Morocco Mole in your avatar?

[LWolf]

167. No, that's Chuckles, but then, I think you knew that.

I AM old enough to know who Secret Squirrel and Morocco Mole are, though.

[Robb]

168. No Hawaiian shirt

[YOY]

172. Da derp a tweedly derp derp!

n.t.

[Cha]

159. Yeah, whatever.. there's a lot of opinions on President Obama..

I, my family and friends brought him to the dance and we think he's doing a great job.

I don't care what color anyone is who wrote this piece.

Oh yeah..and blah blah blah right back at the article too.

[politicasista]

160. We brung him and left with him

DF (Dear family) thinks President Obama is doing a fine job. "The best campaigner (and President) the Democrats have ever had." DD (Dear Dad) said that, not me. :hide:

[firedupdem]

169. Cleaning houses, talking politics!

Hot damn! That Miss Louise is something else! Glad you guys love her though. :eyes:

[Phx_Dem]

170. He wasn't "brung" by the progressives.

He was brung by African Americans, young voters and independents.

[Divine Discontent]

171. the only friend I have in IL. lives near Chicago, she talked about him all of '08

she doesn't talk about him at ALL anymore. Like he's an embarrassment, frankly. I have mentioned some things he's done just to gauge a response from her, and it's mostly just an, "oh...", response, which for her means, okay, thanks for telling me but I'm not gonna say anything else. She knows I'm extremely lib, and she is too (she is the daughter of a teaching family, and although Straight, most of her close friends are GLBT), but BO is losing so much of the "strong" support. It's mostly lukewarm now, and then there are those that were only strongly for him because of the horrid policies of the idiots who were running against him that secured our ultimate support (like myself).

The wars, the BP in control of the mega-blowout, civil liberties, etc., are a sticking point with many.

[Mimosa]

174. Wow, what's not to admire about a woman who can still work in her 90s

Monmouth. Miss Louise sounds cool. I've always learned a lot from people well over 60. Under 60, not much. ;)

BTW, a few black people I know are disappointed in Obama because they thought he would see that laws against illegal immigration would be enforced better. They say all the illegals work cheaper (construction, flooring, roofing, cleaning, restaurants) and keep wages down and unemployment for blacks is harder to get.