Possible in 2012 that VP Biden and SoS Clinton will switch jobs.

[LiberalFighter]

I say that is a great idea.

[Skidmore]

1. Sally Quinn is "suggesting" It.

Don't think it's exactly a firm possibility. Just someone's suggestion.

[bluestateguy]

3. Then it must have been the main topic and last week's Georgetown Cocktail Party

nt

[bluestateguy]

2. Sounds like the concoction of a bored news media

nt

[Uzybone]

18. after a few light cocktails

these talking heads and pundits come up with all kinds of "stories".

[DJ13]

4. Who would want the Gaffer as SoS?

I love Biden for his candor, but SoS wouldnt be the place for that.

[gateley]

29. He did an outstanding job as the Chairman of the SFRC. He was practically SOS

then - foreign leaders would call Biden before they'd call Bush or Rice. He's got the chops and the contacts and the experience.

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. I'm more concerned with the chief of staff and the economic team

Those cabinet positions need to be replaced now, and can't wait until 2012, or there may not be a 2012.

Biden was actually the guy I thought would BE Secretary of State, so I'm OK with that. Hillary as VP? I'm not even going there......

[northoftheborder]

9. The Vice president is an elected official.

He cannot be replaced or switched out - unless forced to resign - then the next in line, Pelosi would become V.P. (That is, during the four-year term.) I suppose in 2012 that would be possible, but I don't think Hillary will remain in gov., she said one term as Sec. of State would be her last.

[Tansy_Gold]

12. I don't believe there is a "next in line" for VP

If I remember correctly, there was a constitutional amendment providing for the president to nominate and the Senate to approve a replacement for a resigned, impeached, died, or otherwise removed VP. But I don't believe the Speaker of the House automatically moves up.


I think you're relying on the normal succession in case the presidency is vacant.



TG

[DrDan]

25. I think you are right . . . thinking back to Agnew's resignation and Ford's scuccession

[Sebastian Doyle]

17. Of course

But that doesn't mean Obama couldn't announce a different running mate going into the 2012 convention. That VP nominee would have to be voted on at the convention, of course (Be it Hillary or anybody else) but what are the odds that the delegates would reject an incumbent President's chosen partner?

Not that I'm buying any of this story at the moment. But I did hear the interview where Hillary made that statement (60 minutes, wasn't it?) and it does raise the possibility that maybe the concept of she and Joe swapping jobs has already been discussed.

[pscot]

42. Maybe they're starting to think that putting Hilary on the ticket

is his best chance to be reelected. A co-presidency? She would be Cheney to his Bush?

[Inuca]

61. "Cheney to his Bush?"!!!!!????!!!

REALLY? I thought that these kind of discussions and suggestions finally died rough;y 2 years ago.

[jobycom]

6. It's possible Obama will appoint Sara Palin as VP and then resign, just for laughs.

I don't see that happening, but it's possible, I suppose.

[MgtPA]

65. Now THAT'S funny.

[onehandle]

7. No. nt

[pscot]

43. She would do very nicely.

The subject of your sig.

[onehandle]

49. She would do well in any role...

...but nobody is replacing Biden. That just doesn't happen anymore.

[jenmito]

8. I say Quinn makes no sense. In one breath she said that Hillary is tired,

and in the next breath she said Hillary would be young enough (4 years younger than Biden) to run for president in '16. Makes no sense.

[gateley]

30. I think Quinn would like to see Hillary as VP, I know she admires her a lot - but

don't know if there's any meat to this or if she just wants to get the idea out there and talked about.

[Aramchek]

10. and watch it spread like wildfire. Amazing!

some people will never let go.

[asjr]

11. Sally Quinn couldn't find her butt with a map.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Clinton backers continue to try to squeeze Biden out of VP position.

link

[Metric System]

19. Sally Quinn must have softened her views on Hillary. I certainly never thought of her as a Clinton

backer. And isn't your post as speculative as Quinn's write-up?

[AtomicKitten]

20. This is just one in a series of "suggestions" that Clinton become VP somehow.

edited for links:

Hillary Clinton VP Rumors "Flare Up" Once Again

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/12082">Rumor: Hillary Clinton May Run as VP in 2012, then President in 2016

[Metric System]

23. So? Why do you assume it's some nefarious scheme concocted by the Clintons?

[AtomicKitten]

26. Nefarious? No it's downright rude to presume they can just step over Biden. nt

[Metric System]

35. What proof do you have for your accusation?

Why am I bothering? The CDS is strong in this one.

[AtomicKitten]

38. I pay attention. nt

[gateley]

32. I always got the impression she had a lot of respect for Hillary and thought

highly of her -- but I wasn't a Hillary supporter so your observations are undoubtedly more accurate than mine.

[Metric System]

37. I googled and found 3 links which contradict the notion that Quinn's a Clinton backer:

http://www.salon.com/media/1998/03/09media.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/05/earlyshow/main4156325.shtml?source=mostpop_story&tag=untagged

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/sally_quinn/2008/05/judge_not_hillary.html

Whatever she's writing now, historically she has not been very enamored with Hillary Clinton.

[gateley]

40. I took your word for it. Did you see her on TV this morning? Maybe it was

just my erroneous preconception, but I felt she liked the idea of Hillary becoming VP. What did you think?

[AtomicKitten]

41. FWIW upthread I was referring to the source of the alleged tip, not Ms. Quinn herself.

Ms Quinn says her "tip" (i.e. rumor) came from inside "administration circles" but did not cite a source. Her editors dropped that assertion from their print editions.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/06/should_hillary_clinton_and_joe.html

[Phx_Dem]

14. Sally Quinn is and always has been full of shit. Period.

The only thing she's good at is hosting parties and gossiping about the cocktail weenie crowd.

[Beacool]

15. So is Peggy Noonan

A Snakebit President

The president is starting to look snakebit. He's starting to look unlucky, like Jimmy Carter. It wasn't Mr. Carter's fault that the American diplomats were taken hostage in Tehran, but he handled it badly, and suffered. He defied the rule of the King in "Pippin," the Broadway show of Carter's era, who spoke of "the rule that every general knows by heart, that it's smarter to be lucky than it's lucky to be smart." Mr. Carter's opposite was Bill Clinton, on whom fortune smiled with eight years of relative peace and a worldwide economic boom. What misfortune Mr. Clinton experienced he mostly created himself. History didn't impose it.

----------

And seems so snakebit, so at the mercy of forces. When you're snakebit you get some sympathy, and some will come. With all the president's woe there will be some counter-reaction among commentators, journalists and others. There will likely be among the Democratic leadership, too. "Love him or not he's what we've got, and he's what we have for the next two years. Help the guy, cool the criticism, punch back for him." But it's also true that among Democrats—and others—when the talk turns to the presidency it turns more and more to Hillary Clinton. "We may have made a mistake. She would have been better." Sooner or later the secretary of state is going to come under fairly consistent pressure to begin to consider 2012. A hunch: She won't really want to. Because she has enjoyed being loyal. She didn't only prove to others she could be loyal, a team player. She proved it to herself. And it has only added to her luster.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704289504575313181930072638.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

[CakeGrrl]

21. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

You'll gleefully accept Obama bashing from ANY cockeyed source, won't you?

Poor Peggy is hoping, unfortunately the same way you are, that she can wish ruin onto Obama's presidency any which way she can. Oh, and with the fringe benefit of the "Hillary, we were WRONNNG about you!" mea culpas.

Strange bedfellows, you two.

[Beacool]

28. Nahhhh, I got no use for Peggy.

She still can't seem to make up her mind whether she's a staunch Republican or not. But, the drums are beating louder........

:D

[Jennicut]

39. From Peggy Noonan?I love ya Bea but don't listen to Peggy Noonan of all people.

I would be fine if they switched but fine where they are now too.
Hillary should run in 2016 and keep the party strong.

[Beacool]

51. Well, Peggy was another one with tingling leg syndrome in 2008.

She ended up supporting Obama over the man from her own party. She seemed to have an aversion for Palin and couldn't believe that McCain had chosen her as his potential VP. It's interesting to see her having apparently changed her mind.

As for switching positions, I like Biden. I think that he's a good, decent man. But I also think that we had an exceptional election year with two historical firsts who came within a hair each of winning the nomination. Therefore, I'm still of the opinion that the top person should have offered the VP spot to the person who came in second place. Remember that at one time it was the party that chose the VP and not the nominee. As much as I like Biden, when he ran as a candidate he got a minimal amount of votes.

:hi:

[Jennicut]

55. I think Presidents should pick whom they feel most comfortable with.

And Obama, at the time, did not fully trust Hillary.
Now, that has changed. A switch would be fine with me. But it is ultimately up to Obama. Hillary really is blossoming as SOS. I see no reason to move her.

Peggy Noonan was against McCain for Sarah Palin only, she never liked Obama. Don't be fooled.

[Beacool]

57. I think that people are talking about 2012, not now.

Hillary has already implied that she will step aside from State after the first term. Most SOS do not last more than one term due to the physical exigencies of the job. The travel is constant and they are more times than not sleep deprived. It would be a historical first to make her VP and would also set her nicely for 2016 (if she does choose to run again).

;-)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

24. "A hunch: She won't really want to. Because she has enjoyed being loyal."

Sooner or later the secretary of state is going to come under fairly consistent pressure to begin to consider 2012. A hunch: She won't really want to. Because she has enjoyed being loyal. She didn't only prove to others she could be loyal, a team player. She proved it to herself. And it has only added to her luster.


So true... and the people who criticized her at every turn during the primaries will realize Hillary always had what's best for the country in mind.

She won't betray what's best for the country like the misguided Teddy (RIP) did against Carter.

[Beacool]

31. She won't pull a Ted Kennedy.

I just find it amusing how many second thoughts there are out there, and from both ends of the spectrum.

;-)



:hi:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

34. Me too! And I think it's hilarious that people think she'll pull a Ted Kennedy on Obama.

Never.

It would fracture the Dem party (like it did 30 years ago).


If she's on the ticket in 2012 (which I seriously doubt), it will be as VP because Biden has health issues.

[Aramchek]

27. well, fuck, if Noonan says it, it must be so

:sarcasm:

[suzie]

54. +1

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Don't hold your breath.

Slow news day, or what? :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

22. Sally can be so precious when she is "off the wagon"

:loveya:

[provis99]

33. I think its more likely Obama and Rahm Emmanuel will switch jobs.

They might as well make the current situation official.

[WI_DEM]

36. Why? Biden is a wonderful VP and Clinton is a wonderful SOS.

[Grinchie]

44. Trading a Hawk for a Village Idiot..

Both of them are worthless.

[Metric System]

47. Ouch. Tell us what you really think!

[Grinchie]

64. I would think that it's pretty obvious by now...

Biden is the Kindly old Grandfather Figure that the DLC can hook the AARP crowd with. Kind of like a bumbling senile Josh Bolton/Wilformd Brimly character with less of a sharp wit, tongue or attitude.

I think the voters spoke their minds when they said no to Hilary in the Primaries, yet somehow, she and her cadre of DLC Corporate Supplicants managed to infest the Hope and Change we voted for..

Now we see the cancer spreading, and Obama is trapped in the Bulls Eye, simply because he has lost control and is now a DLC Sock Puppet, just like Dubya was a sock puppet.

There is really no difference between the last administration and this one, other than a few new faces, and their ability to throw meagers scraps to the cheerleaders to lead them on.

Other than that, the Cheerleaders are losing patience with the lack of substance, lack of message, and being thrown under the bus time and again.

They can't even hold message anymore, and while it is good that they are waking up, it's a very big signal that some sort of change is coming, but it may not be that pretty.

Just my thoughts on the subject -- Emotionless and focusing on facts, actions and context.

[salguine]

59. THANK YOU

[jillan]

45. Nice link.

[Skidmore]

56. Actually Chris Jansing interviewed Sally Quinn about this yesterday on MSNBC.

Quinn said she believed this would happen and she would not divulge who had been talking about it. Jansing's crew called Clinton during the interview and she just laughed.

I believe it is a DC cocktail circuit trial balloon. Those people of the DC establishment are feeling out of the loop.

[David Zephyr]

46. Take it to the bank. It will happen.

Biden will graciously bow out of the way.

The idea of watching Hillary debate Palin is sublime. Talk about a battle of wits where Hillary is matched against an unarmed woman.

[AtomicKitten]

48. You said that the summer of 2008 too. Tried to cash it at my bank - no dice.

Seriously, Joe Biden is VP and I find it a bit disrespectful to disregard his squatting rights.

[CakeGrrl]

53. Since when has Biden been "in the way"?

He was chosen to be VP. Sounds like some people are still thinking Hillary was somehow automatically entitled.

And why would you figure Palin to be the VP pick again? Just to have a fantasy cage match?

[Milo_Bloom]

50. LMAO.

Now that is the funniest thing I have heard all day.

[NoPasaran]

52. Also possible that we will ditch the Fed and switch to a chicken soup-based currency

But also unlikely

[Sebastian Doyle]

62. Sue Lowden? Is that you?

:rofl:

[Splinter Cell]

58. ...

:puke:

[PopSixSquish]

60. Folks Who Think Sally Quinn is Floating This Story Because of True Inside Information

need to read up on Sally Quinn. This woman is nothing but a slorish pit viper in designer clothes. In my grandmother's day, she would have been described as having "round heels". How do you think she got her original job at the Washington Post?

She's held court as Cleopatra of the Potomac for years summarily dismissing those who she deemed "social climbers" and "not of Washington" all without ever looking in a mirror.

Sally's never gotten over the fact that Hillary Clinton didn't immediately bow to her in 1992 and become her slavering lady-in-waiting. During the height of the Lewinsky fandango, Sally stated that it would have been perfectly alright if instead of Monica, the President had picked someone of "their class". She joined in the mean girl trashing of Al Gore during the 2000 campaign with gusto and is just beside herself that Michelle Obama is first lady.

Quinn seized upon the state-dinner crashers as a way to attack Mrs. Obama through Desiree Rogers. Rather than castigate the Salahis who are the ultimate persona of "social climbing", she took off after Rogers as being "not of Washington", Sally-speak for "not our kind of people dear". (Rogers was not entirely blameless for the situation but not because she's from Chicago).

Sally Quinn is the social/party reporter for the WaPo who aired family dirty laundry in her column late last year resulting in her losing that column. And when Ben Bradlee goes quietly into that good night, will lose her fading position as Queen as well.

I wouldn't trust this woman as far as I can spit...

[treestar]

63. this absurdity pops up on this board in one form or another

almost daily. Threads about replacing Biden as VP. I don't get what the motive is.