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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:55 PM
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Obama can have you killed if he wants to...
He holds the powers to label you a threat to the nation's security and have you taken out. No evidence needed, no trial, no lawyer, no chance at any defense. He inherited the power from Bush and he's using it right now.

In a way it's absurd the US is still considered a free, democratic country. These are fascist measures. If any African or Asian head of state held those powers, what would 'we' (the US) say? We would sue them at the International Criminal Court. What would the US say if a Latin-American leader had those powers? Oh wait, it would support that leader, like Obama supports the coup government in Honduras.

This board would go ballistic if Bush did all this. But I guess having a 'D' behind one's name makes all principles obsolete...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:58 PM
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1. He can also keep you out of the country if he wants.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:59 PM
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2. Winning elections is all that matters
who cares if a crazed Fascist Tea Bagger is our next Pres with the same powers the Bush instituted and Obama re-inforced? We'll just be SOL , but hey! at least we'll always have those 2006 and 2008 victories to savor.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:00 PM
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3. Obama is going to kill you, rape your house, and burn down your wife.
Film at Eleven.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:04 PM
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6. I wouldn't laugh if my country's leader had those powers...
It's scary.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:06 PM
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8. Scary?
Plan on taking up arms against your country any time soon?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:00 PM
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4. Yeah, and how is this a new thing?
This has always been true. If "they" want you dead, "they" will get you.

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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:03 PM
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5. It's new, because it has now become legal; it's the law now...
Like David Swanson wrote a few days ago, once multiple presidents use certain powers, they become legal.

You find these measures normal? You just shrug at it?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:06 PM
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7. Technically, it always has been.
If you decide that you hate America so much that you leave for Afghanistan, take up war against the United States, and help the Taliban kill U.S. soldiers, then yes, Obama can legally kill you with an unmanned drone. Even if you don't formally renounce your U.S. citizenship.

Johnson would have done it with a B-52.

Roosevelt would have done it with a squadron of B-17s.

And Lincoln would have done it with the Union fucking Army.

Personally, I prefer the unmanned drone.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:11 PM
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Lincoln didn't need an army ...
He'd just fuck up your day with his Gatling gun arm!




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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:13 PM
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12. It's scary to think what would happen if that fine patriot Booth hadn't taken out Lincoln.
I'd spend all my time living in the fear that Abraham Lincoln would kill me.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:10 PM
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9. Well, technically, ANY president can do that(and many have)
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 07:10 PM by Ken Burch
IT's not as if Obama invented what you're talking about.

Still, he should be called on anything fascist just as Bush was. A lot of us DON'T believe that "it's ok when OUR guy does it".
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:11 PM
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10. He can also cancel my country fair.
If he did, I'd definitely stand up.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:12 PM
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11. If someone is holding a gun...how worried I am is....
totally about THE PERSON holding the gun...he could be a criminal robbing you or a policeman protecting you. It's about whether you trust the person holding the gun or having the power. I trust Obama.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:13 PM
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13. We are locking this.
While constructive criticism of the President is permitted here at DU, we see this thread as unconstructive and inflammatory. I

Thank you for your understanding,

Grateful for Hope
For the DU Moderators.
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