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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:31 PM
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Obama gets 70,000 dollars from a multi billion dollar company and Politico makes that news
Edited on Wed May-05-10 12:36 PM by LeftyAndProud60
And people wonder what the real problem is in this country. I blame the media for all of the issues. They didn't hold Bush accountable until he was on his way out, now they're holding Obama to a much higher standard and making it a lot more difficult to accomplish anything. 70,000bucks. I would hope it would take more than that for a politician to sell their soul.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html#commentsform
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:33 PM
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1. Link? Specifics? Anything?
I don't even know what you're referring to.

Unrecommended for that reason.
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:36 PM
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2. you could've just went to their site, I didn't want to post the useless story. NT
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:45 PM
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3. k
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:49 PM
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4. What a lame article... I mean really, really lame
it talks about money BP gave to candidates over the last 20 years which comes out to about $175,000 a year or small pocket change for BP. It talks about Mary Landrieu "lining her war chest" with $28K I guess in her entire political career. It really goes through some unbelievable gymnastics to say Obama received $77K "during the time he was in the Senate and while running for president..." which really means he took no BP money while running for president and BP made contributions to his Senate campaign.

Really, REALLY lame!
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:15 PM
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5. I don't believe any major politician knows where all the $ come from
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:04 AM
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6. One of the biggest lobbyist bundlers of campaign
contributions to democrats in washington lobbies for BP and the health care industry. Tony Podesta. His wife joins him in the bundling business.

There are no disclosure rules for bundlers as long as they don't personally hand over the check.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:40 AM
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7. FUCK POLITICO!
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:54 AM
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8. his campaign rased over 700m, is there any corporation whose employees
didn't donate to him? if they wanted to you could track bad corporate behavior to obama donations and there would be some overlap. it's quite sad this little game people are playing these days. americans, no matter which company they work for have the right to donate money. with this kind of logic as soon as universities start cutting their budgets it'll be trotted out how X University was one of the top obama donors as if the president of the school took money from the budget and cut him a check. is this how it's gonna be?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:54 AM
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9. President Obama needs to get the real facts out - he got money from EMPLOYEES
Edited on Thu May-06-10 07:26 AM by karynnj
Seeing that Open Secrets seems to be the gold plated source, we need to get this fact out - Obama took almost no PAC money from any company. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638 PACs are the ONLY way a company can give money. His contributions were almost entirely from individuals.

Although I respect the reason it was originally set up and I understand why the summaries they do are useful, Opensecrets and other sources really do a disservice when they conflate individual contributions with PAC contributions.

Obama raised an unprecedented amount of money - all in contributions less than $4,600 per person (assumes $2,300 in both primary and general election) All of these people work for companies. It is very likely that Obama will have raised tens of thousands of dollars from employees of every company that enters the news. (look at Goldman Sacks - where the right is making the same argument - surprised that a NYC based company had a lot of Democrats working for it? )

Where giving the composite individual and PAC numbers likely overstates the relationship to the company, this likely understates it. I'm not naive enough to think that companies really played this small a role. I do know that there are bundlers and bundler can collect individual contributions and be seen as the fund raiser who brought in that money. If someone high in a company used their position in the company to raise money for a candidate, it is kind of like a PAC, without the legal hassles of being one. It results in a large sum of money raised for which the bundler gets "credit". The worst case would be where the company really does give the money. Remember in I think 2005, one law firm got in trouble by having everyone or almost everyone contribute the max in 2003 or 2004 to Edwards - then reimbursing them. Here, the amounts from BP are not high enough to suggest that there was anything wrong.

Yet, these were not controversial contributions when made. Many were likely made with no particular outreach. Now, why was Obama higher than McCain by a considerable amount? McCain took public financing in the general election - and Obama did not. Do you want to question that decision now? I always thought that public financing was what could end this. However in a world where the Republican candidate starts out with a free echo chamber made up of talk radio and FOX News, even with more money getting our message out is harder. Public financing implicitly assumes a level playing field.

To see the difference made by not taking public financing, look back to what happened on campaign spending in 2008 and compare it to 2004. In 2004, the Kerry campaign had to very cautiously spend money - going nearly off the air in August. This hurt, but the alternative would have been to have considerably less money in the fall than Bush. They also had to pull out of marginal states to concentrate resources in Ohio, PA, and FL - and we know how that turned out. Obama on the other hand had essentially no limits - even spending some money on ads in Arizona. Remember the wonderful 30 minute "ad" bought at the end, where the issues and close ups choosing who Obama was were laid out completely under our control - I think on several channels?

Now, 2008 was not 2004. In 2004, in the week before the election, Gallup found that 59% of the country answered that the country was doing either very well or fairly well. In 2008, only about 20% were answering that way. But, having all that money helped get Obama's message out and helped enough people see him in a positive enough light to be comfortable voting for him. I would argue that with the resources Obama had in 2008, Kerry would have won in 2004. Given the underlying dissatisfaction with Bush, I think Obama would still have won had he taken public financing, but he likely would have lost some of the close purple states. It also would have been a nail biter. (Not to mention, you never know the path not taken. Did the ability to massively respond prevent any slimy attacks? It seems possible to me.)


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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:25 PM
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11. Both side are bribed.
Podesta the top bundler for democrats bundles millions for 28 health care corps. Look where that got us. No public option and a mandate.

It's incredibly naive in this day and age to think both parties aren't in this for the money, individual working class donations no matter how high they are do not drive policy in washington.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:24 AM
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10. Yes well
It will be much worse in 2012 on both sides of the aisle.

Thanks Supreme Court!
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:40 PM
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12. Reforming the media = reforming our democracy. nt
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