Dont like the economy? Get ready to work your ass off

[mkultra]

If you are upset about the economic conditions, your job, the housing market, or your finances, you better get ready to work your ass off. Simple fact is that our current economic rune is a direct result of the Bush administrations handling of the Fed chairman appointment and the Fannie/Freddie ramp up of MSBs. Yes, financial regulation is at play and yes there are other factors as well but let me tell you without a doubt that no matter what you think of the current administration and policy, the republicans will screw you over twice as hard and twice as much.


As far as im concerned, if you are in a pickle now and you didn't work your ass off to get Gore or Kerry elected, you have only yourself to blame. We lost those elections by mere fractions. Now the negative nellies are talking trash about Obama and the democrats on this vary board while complaining all the while that they are in dire economic straights.

If you let the next election slip to a republican, you will get every drop of what you deserve and not an ounce of sympathy from those of us who bang the boards. At some point, you have to push away from the keyboard and do something more than type or talk.

[bobthedrummer]

1. There was a coup, Bush/Cheney were never elected nor re-elected mkultra-and there's more "work" 2do

[mkultra]

6. if the margin wasnt razor thin, it woudlnt have been possible

[ShortnFiery]

11. Yes, and Al Gore running a crappy campaign and selecting a conservative democrat as his

running mate didn't have anything to do with the defeat? :eyes:

[Kokonoe]

14. It also would be razor thin no matter what the real vote is.

[conscious evolution]

15. You should spend some time in the Election Reform forum

and educate yourself concerning the facts surrounding the stolen elections in 2000,2002 and 2004.
The only reason the margins were 'razor thin' was because of massive election fraud,voter disenfranchisement and intimidation.

[mkultra]

19. if your refering to the diebold software changes

and the self copying systems, i am aware of what happened. But i am also aware that those change cannot have spread throughout all systems in the time given. In effect, with hacked software, they can effect only a small percentage of the votes. That effect could grow with time.

Letting that bog us down is not going to help.

[Name removed]

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[IADEMO2004]

3. Out the door and to the streets

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ofasplash2010

[mkultra]

7. +10000

[IADEMO2004]

33. Face to face contact works

My county is way lopsided Republican but in 08 the huge amount of legwork and personal contacts tipped the vote to Sen. Harkin. Obama was close but didn't carry the county. This is Rep. Steve Kings district and very hard for any Dems. to win. Every weekend for months people were in parades, having house parties, phone banking, walking door to door. This election cycle is every bit as important as '08. If you meet someone who wants to defend the republican talking point, they are lost don't waste your time and energy, the voter next door may be undecided.

[mkultra]

39. yeah, i learned long ago not to waste time on the hopelessly foolish.

[Tippy]

4. I sure hope they are listening this time......talk is cheap...

"At some point, you have to push away from the keyboard and do something more than type or talk."

[mkultra]

8. ill repeat it as many times as i must.

[Tippy]

47. I will to....but Dems are notorious for having short memorys....

[mkultra]

50. and for kicking their own asses.

[phleshdef]

5. The complainers WANT Republicans to take back power. Otherwise, their reasons to complain might die.

[mkultra]

9. well, i think many PUMA may feel that way

But that is only because they are ignorant morons bent on accidental self destruction.

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, it couldn't have anything to do with poor legislative efforts that have little to no ...

progressive values? That legislation benefits the large corporations over the interests of the average American.

So instead, we'll "slouch" toward fascism with the democrats as compared to "sprinting" toward fascism under the GOP?

That's hardly an attractive choice, is it?

How about we force our democrats to HAVE A SPINE or primary them out?

[mkultra]

20. What we do is pick the BEST candidate

from those available. non participation or curmudgeon contempt create failure. If we win enough elections, the republicans are forced to run a moderate and we move the center to the left. That's how it works and that's the only way it works.

[ShortnFiery]

21. Newsflash: It's working quite nicely for Goldman Sachs, et. al., but the wage earning American?

Not so much. :shrug:

[mkultra]

22. in contrast to your efforts which yield NOTHING

never have and never will. While the rest of us fight to move the pendulum, you sit on your ass and laugh then bitch when things go against you. Smart? not so much.

[ShortnFiery]

27. You judge everything in money or power. Peoples' attitudes and perspectives are equally important.

You say that I have no influence. But why do you try, at every given opportunity, to either trash my perspectives and/or person?

If I'm such a pissant loser, why are you so seemingly threatened by my few contraian comments?

[mkultra]

30. your right, the best bet is to put you on ignore

your wish is my command.

[ShortnFiery]

34. That's too bad because I wanted to ask you ...

why you use Noam Chomsky's picture as your avatar? He's even more leftist than I am, yet you honor him so. That is so cool, so thoughtful of you. ;)

http://www.chomsky.info/

[bobthedrummer]

44. Like many others here at DU, ShortnFiery, I "appreciate" the real power of what we call an "idea"

just thought I'd jump in as another DUer that has experienced the varieties of neoliberalism at work here and express my respect for your tenacity and "style" when encountering it.

:fistbump:

[ShortnFiery]

45. Thanks

It's lonely out here. :-) :hi:

[conscious evolution]

29. You think the average Joe

has any voice on which candidates are chosen?
:rofl:
Sorry.But I spent to much time in the local party headquarters to ever believe that ever again.Granted,sometimes one will slip through the vetting process but that is a very rare occurance here in Georgia.

[mkultra]

31. i think that a random swell of support

will gather instituted by average people. The simple fact is that candidates are chosen by vote or caucus. If the group of "average joes" is really a minority, then they are far from average aren't they.

[phleshdef]

24. More senseless whining that ignores the vast progressive advancements of this administration.

The Obama adminstration has irrefutably advanced progressive ideals more than what has been seen in over 35 years. You can't have everything the way you want. The sooner you learn to live with that, the happier you will be.

[mkultra]

28. dont bite. They want us to fight and feel depressed

Its the only weapon they have and its only effective if we allow it to be. They want nothing more than for us to be at each others throats. One of their proven methods is to turn differences of thinking people into arguments that crumble us from the inside.

[ShortnFiery]

32. Name them? Name ONE significant progressive legislation aside from hospital visits by

gay partners OR taking the middleman out of student loans so they can put us in even higher debt by charging more OR allowing us to pay for our unemployed children's health insurance until age 26 = SCRAPS thrown aside by the super-rich.


NAME ONE?

[phleshdef]

35. I could name a shit load, but you will do what you always do and ignore the significance.

•Three major health bills (SCHIP, tobacco regulation, and stimulus funds for Medicaid, COBRA subsidies, health information technology and the National Institutes of Health) enacted even before comprehensive reform
•Stimulus contained myriad other individual policy victories, not only preventing a far worse depression but also:
◦Delivered key new funds for education
◦Expanded state energy conservation programs and new transit programs
◦Added new smart grid investments
◦Funded high-speed Internet broadband programs
◦Extended unemployment insurance for up to 99 weeks for the unemployed and modernizing state UI programs to cover more of the unemployed
◦Made large new investments in the safety net, from food stamps (SNAP) to affordable housing to child care
•Clean cars victory to take gas mileage requirements to 35mpg
•Protection of 2 million acres of land against oil and gas drilling and other development
•Executive orders protecting labor rights, from project labor agreements to protecting rights of contractor employees on federal jobs
•Stopping pay discrimination through Lilly Ledbetter and Equal Pay laws
•Making it easier for airline and railway workers to unionize, while appointing NLRB and other labor officials who will strengthen freedom to form unions
•Reversing Bush ban on funding overseas family planning clinics
•Passing hate crimes protections for gays and lesbians
•Protecting stem cell research research
•Strengthening state authority and restricting federal preemption to protect state consumer, environmental and labor laws
•Financial reforms to protect homeowners and credit card holders
•Bailing out the auto industry and protecting unionized retirees and workers

[ShortnFiery]

36. Oh yeah, just today look what was newly uncovered: What GM did with the money?

:evilgrin:

That's the "velvet glove" = democratic administrations will care for the abject poor in addition to the super-rich. The rest are mostly "scraps" while they push ever increasing numbers of Americans into poverty. Good news, our health care will be almost free after we declare bankruptcy.

The legislations that you have listed are not of significant assistance to the Middle Class which is shrinking out of existence.

[phleshdef]

37. Do you always have to resort to being incoherent when you are losing an argument?

[ShortnFiery]

38. No I'm not attempting to be incoherent. These are scraps + just today it's been

uncovered that GM used TARP funds to repay its debt. :wow:

They are so damn crooked (many politicians as well as large corporations).

No bailout for the middle class but the super-rich get BILLIONS! :crazy:

[phleshdef]

42. All that means is that GM took TARP money they had borrowed and gave it right back.

It also means that the government still owns part of GM until it goes for an IPO, at which point we will see what the final verdict is. GM repaying TARP money with TARP money is not some evil, crooked, bad thing.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

48. It allows them to advertise that they're off the government hook and sell more cars

which makes the publics remaining stake that much more valuable.

[joe black]

52. Nor are they considered progressive.

More like common sense.

[Ignis]

43. "The Complainers" -- What is this, Junior High?

:eyes:

[abelenkpe]

10. The only way democrats lose

is if democrats don't show up to vote.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Or vote 3rd party? eom

[smoogatz]

17. Is Nader running again?

Who knew? How'd that Nader vote back in 2000 work out for y'all?

[ShortnFiery]

18. To date, we "get to" vote for more offices than just the POTUS. eom

[proudohioan]

16. I disagree; direct fault is Reagan.....

with Dubbya coming in a very strong second.

IMO, the more time passes, the worse Reagan gets; even from beyond the grave!

[mkultra]

23. there is no doubt in my mind he was part of the problem

It just strengthens my overall point though. We are not each others enemy, the republicans are.

[proudohioan]

25. Yes, and the repukes are trying their damndest to make us each others enemy.

Well, they can go eff themselves, cuz I'm not playing into their dirty little hands!

[mkultra]

26. glad to hear it. We all know that opinions may differ

but at some point we must find common ground and stand together to get anywhere.

[proudohioan]

41. Yes, that is truly the important thing....

really, for ALL AMERICANS; to find some common ground and stand together! IMO, we have become much too divided, bickering amongst ourselves, even within our own parties, to be able to band together and try and accomplish something worthwhile. There is too much at stake here that many just can't or don't want to see!

[Yavin4]

40. We Have Been Taught That Complaining Equals Empowerment

This sentiment is a by product of having a service based economy. We've gotten so use to having our complaints addressed by customer service that we think that's the way to rectify wrongs.

When we were a mfg based economy and made things, it was easier to organize people and get them involved in politics because we were a nation of doers.

[Oregone]

46. "our current economic rune is a direct result of the Bush administrations handling of the Fed..."

Blah. Your unsustainable existence was brought to light by short sighted moronic policies, but it is unsustainable nonetheless. America, and the rest of the industrialized world, is living on borrowed time, and had been doing so far before Bush.

[Juche]

49. Clinton is responsible too

It was under him that Glass-Steagall was repealed with broad bipartisan support.

[mkultra]

51. Congress passed that measure with a veto proof vote

he was powerless to stop it.