Criticism of President Obama on DU: Too much, not enough, about the right amount?

[jefferson_dem]

Poll question: Criticism of President Obama on DU: Too much, not enough, about the right amount?

What do you think? :shrug:

[HughMoran]

You honestly don't expect honesty, do you?

:shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

3. Sure. I do. Honestly...

Call me crazy. :)

[Ken Burch]

51. Teddy would honor Bobby's memory and oppose escalation

n/t.

[HughMoran]

52. context?

whaaa?

[Ken Burch]

53. Your avatar image in your posts.

n/t.

[HughMoran]

54. I got that part, the "escalation" part is where my question is

Obviously since you didn't address that, you realize that the word "escalation" is not a part of what this thread is about.

[Ken Burch]

60. Much of the most recent (and unjustly resented) criticism has centered on the upcoming escalation

That is the relevance. I could have put that more clearly, perhaps.

[tekisui]

1. I loathe the criticisms of Obama's personality.

I have no problem with criticisms of his policies.

[jefferson_dem]

5. My general attitude.

I loath criticisms of his personality but also (nearly) loath bullshit criticisms of his policies.

[Baltoman991]

2. Way to much and

I say that because more then half of the criticism is made up, right wing talking points BS.

[mopinko]

6. +1

some days i think this is the chris matthews fan club site.

[elocs]

4. Who here gets to decide how much is too much or enough for everyone else?

:shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

7. LOL. Nobody's looking to establish an official standard that posters must follow...

Beyond the pre-established rules, of course.

This poll is only meant to gauge attitudes about the tone of DU.

[elocs]

14. I've always thought that DU was tone deaf and danced to the tune of its own drummer,

whether or not that has anything to do with reality.

[jefferson_dem]

15. We are a community of many drummers...

Some play louder and with a more irritating rhythm (or lack thereof) than others.

[Jester Messiah]

29. Everyone with a valid login. It's a vote... familiar concept? [nt]

[CTyankee]

32. Exactly! It is what it is. We're Democrats, so that means we don't all fall into line like

the Republicans. We have our different perspectives. I'm just glad we have this forum. I like to read a lot of different opinions. It is how I learn more about issues I care about and about why my fellow Dems feel as they do...

[Yavin4]

8. Criticism of Obama's Policies Completely Ignore The Political Realm That He Has To Deal With

It's easy for idiotic posters to blast him over this and that policy, and yet, they do not realize that he needs congressional approval for most of these things, something that is not easy to do.

[jefferson_dem]

12. +1.

Truth.

[Pirate Smile]

24. +2

[Cha]

13. Yeah, that nails it. Not once do they take reality into

the equation.. and I'm not talking about honest critique.

[doc03]

19. +1

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

31. +1 (nt)

[tekisui]

35. He is the leader of the party, he should act like it.

[Yavin4]

50. He Is The Leader of a Party That Has Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Dennis Kucinich, and Barbara Boxer

IOW, he leads a party that spans the entire ideological spectrum. Anger one part of that spectrum, and the other part rebels.

[Quantess]

9. If I could choose between

"way too much" and "a little too much" I'd say a little too much.

[Cant trust em]

10. I'm not too surprised that in a time of economic crisis and two wars...

that there isn't much general consensus to what should be done.

There isn't really a textbook for our situation, so there will be a lot of criticism.

[Name removed]

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[stevenleser]

16. Way too much. How much too much? How about this...

[doc03]

17. Too much about the things he can do nothing about and

too little about things that he can.

[ruggerson]

18. It would be interesting to see the same poll in GD

might get the same response, might not.

[jefferson_dem]

20. Interesting.

I suspect results in GD would indicate more sympathy for criticism of Obama since more fanboys/fangirls seem to hang out in GD-P.

[ruggerson]

21. I suspect you're probably right

given how certain thread subjects are received very differently in each forum.

[JohnnyLib2]

22. My vote is "about the right amount."

Some is nonsense and much is merely reactive, but by and large there is a pull (push?) toward the left. That isn't surprising for DU and for this President, IMO.

[Number23]

23. Alot of criticism of Obama wouldn't bother me in the least. And it doesn't.

But it's the QUALITY of much of the criticism that he receives here that is so mortifyingly stupid.

Between the criticism he received over the cost of the inauguration; the threads referencing an article calling for his impeachment three months into his term; the five different threads criticizing him for the NYC Board of Health's decision to distribute the H1N1 virus to investment bankers; the criticism he got from some here for his appearance at Dover; and the threads where Michelle's dress and the state dinner for the President of India became an issue, have highlighted that that there are really just alot of crazy muthaf*ckas around here.

And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that if you looked at each of these threads, the same names would show up over and over and over again. Mmmmm, hmmm. Just one crispy, deep fried HELL of a coincidence.

[Undercurrent]

48. K&R this post!

Can't actually do that of course, but wish I could.

The posting of right wing talking points and media falsehoods under the guise of thoughtful critique of our President and leader of our party is appalling.

[robo50]

25. My vote is.. not to vote...........this is how we can be become

meta-subjective about subjective opinions.

There is no "there" there in this tread.

Let's stop contemplating our navels, learn the issues, take a position, and debate.

Oh, but few here want to study the issues? Okay then, sorry I rained on a self-examination in place of honest study of facts.

[paulk]

26. +1

[jefferson_dem]

27. Looks like the vast majority say "too much" criticism.

Good to know.

[KansasVoter]

37. VAST??? 54%? You sound like a GOP pollster.

[spoony]

44. Even more vast now, 53%!

I smell a mandate :P

[jefferson_dem]

45. Touche.... "Vast" as compared to the other two categories...

While I may sound like a GOP pollster to you...

You sound like a pure GOPer to me. :)

[HughMoran]

65. 66%

Until the troll-shills started pulling up their sock-puppets.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

28. About the right amount

It is good to hold our leaders accountable, and voice those opinions when they are not doing the right thing.

[Djinn]

30. I said not enough but then again I would say that

as an anarchist I don't think any politician is criticized enough so you can probably ignore my input - although there's a fair chance people who think he's criticized too much on DU have been ignoring me for some time

[saltpoint]

33. Way too much and of the wrong kind.

[dionysus]

34. on the whole, too much. there is probably the right amount of valid concerns,

but there is way too much "ZOMG he's just like teh Bush" kind of stuff.

[KansasVoter]

36. The GOP idiots supported Bush 100% and we complained. No different here at times.

[jefferson_dem]

46. "We"...

:rofl:

[polichick]

38. Good grief - who cares how much, as long as people post about what concerns them. nt

[qanda]

39. Way too much for my taste. I can hardly stand coming here anymore.

I thought this was a Democratic site. :shrug: I think it's okay to criticize Obama but some of the stuff I see here borders on downright hate.

[Whisp]

40. it's not the 'too much' it's the who repeatedly

There are some here that whatever Obama does is wrong wrong wrong. They have absolutely nothing positive to say about him and complain about the smallest of meaningless things and worst of all, call him Bush. That is just pure evil troublemaking. I hated/hate Bush so much there is no human being on earth, past or present, that could make me feel that way again. I used to have sleepless nights cussing his name and grinding my teeth on his so to have an educated, thoughful and compassionate man like Obama compared to that vile pile of odious flesh really bothers me - but I suppose that's the point of these people - just say anything for effect and reaction.

But there are also some who give valuable critiques and are obviously not looking to troll but are genuinely interested in carrying on a conversation and sharing their opinions. I look forward to these posts - the ones I don't necessarily agree with but are done in a manner that invites learning and unlearning things you may not want to deal with. These people I call the 'Deans' (for Howard, I love that man he is such a good communicator), the others I call the 'Glens'.

[HughMoran]

41. heh

Funny how the "not enough" has crept up over time. I guess the word got out to the outside trolls who like to vote in DU polls.

[jefferson_dem]

47. A few of them have reared their heads right here in this thread.

Sucks to be them.

[HughMoran]

49. FYI

[KansasVoter]

59. LOL...don't like the poll results and blame it on freepers. How GOP of you again!

[jefferson_dem]

61. Hi...

Exhibit A. :hi:

...and 28%er...

[HughMoran]

62. A 28%er!!

Hah!! :rofl:

[treestar]

42. Way too much for a Democratic site

It's just odd.

[bigwillq]

43. About the right amount

Politicians should be criticized, especially the president.

[Myrina]

64. +10

n/t

[NYC Liberal]

55. I voted too much - but "too much" is misleading

If we're talking about bullshit criticism, yes there's too much but it's also spread around by a relatively small number of people here who just happen to be very vocal.

If we're talking about legitimate criticism, I'd say there's just the right amount of that. The problem is that legitimate criticism is often drowned out by the loud few who don't want any criticism (yes, there are some), and the loud few on the other end who do nothing but post bullshit.

[Prism]

56. Eh, too much on some things, too little on others

Too much on bowing, state dinners, shoes, personal lives, etc. Those things should have no bearing on whether or not the President is doing a good job. I never comment on them.

I think there should be more criticism on things like economic policy, which is far more egregious and wrong-headed than the commentary on DU would indicate. I'd venture to guess it's because economic policy can be deeply complicated, and I don't think a passing commenter about it really knows the ins and outs necessary to give a sound opinion. As a result, it usually all devolves into meta-argument rather than merits. "Why this policy is bad?" always ends up with replies like "Why you're a poopyhead!" It's unproductive.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

57. This.

[TheKentuckian]

58. Other: I don't care about the quantity but the quality is often hyperbolic,

shrill, and/or unrealistic. While often the defense is kneejerk, simplistic, unquestioning, and/or unrealistic.

[old mark]

63. Too much, and much of that is just stupid.

Much of the overblown criticism of Obama's few months as president is just ego driven bullshit. There is very little real thought given to it. DU seems to exist in a fantasy land anyway, and much of the criticism here in GD is so far from reality it is actually laughable.

Sadly many here don't know any better and take themselves way to seriously.
That's as honest as I can make it.

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