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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:02 AM
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Obama - Failure of Leadership, or Legislation?
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 09:12 AM by babylonsister
Obama - Failure of Leadership, or Legislation?

by Trey Rentz, Wed Feb 24, 2010 at 07:14:50 AM EST


There have been questions raised regarding Obama's leadership. What basis?

The previous administration dealt heavily in the crossover between the executive and legislative - putting candidates up during recess, having the vice president ramrod falsified intelligence through committees and even going out to the public at large to attempt to justify and square their actions with congress (does anyone remember that the Bush Administration spent millions of our tax dollars on ad campaigns like the one 'Support the Presidents Policy of Pre-emptive Strike') leading us to the most costly administration in the history of American government.

However, Obama has been an advocate of balanced, efficient government. Obama's healthcare proposal - laid out to congress in an address - and not a public ad campaign - included the key element of reform - the ability for people like you and I to receive national healthcare - the one issue that energizes the entire electorate. This is because, as a leader - Obama truly connects with the electorate - and understands us.

Following the President's lead - the house of representatives forged a strong bill that included a public option. Further, Speaker Pelosi stood strong on the issue and the house version still contains National Health Service.

However, the Senate passed a series of measures that could only be qualified as giveaways to the lobbyists that had been allowed to write them. The senate transformed a transparent process into an Opaque series of transformations and allowed a monstrosity of a bill to be formed from the meetings and input gathered by lobbyists assigned to write the legislation. The bill went from progressive reform - to one that requires every man woman and child in America to buy their insurance from a private company. Does anyone remember the medicare reform that passed - which prohibited the US government from getting reasonable prices in quantity discount? Just as this other senate wonder bill arose from that process - a bill that no less required you - if you went to the dunkin' donuts - to buy each donut individually instead of cheaper by the dozen - so too the president's agenda met an installed form of corruption in the senate.

We stand here at a key moment in the passage of Healthcare reform. Some have said that the President's adoption of various elements of the bill - in his latest attempt to kickstart a stalled process - and his repackaging of the reform amounts to a failure of leadership.

The reality is that the failure exists wholly in the legislative process. We should not demand our president to be a legislator. Far from it. We should insist upon separation of the legislative and executive.
To place upon the head of our president - a failure of a single institution - is to misdirect us as to the nature of the beast.

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Ask yourself - if a public healthcare reform proposal arose from the halls of the legislative process - that contained a National Health Service - would Obama sign it?

If your answer is yes, then there is no failure of his leadership. His job is to sign the bill into law. Not write it.


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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:08 AM
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1. How DARE the Constitutional law professor that we sent to the White House...
... actually try to FOLLOW the Constitution! How DARE he!!!!

:sarcasm:

As always, thanks Babs!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:15 PM
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2. Failure of leadership. eom
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:43 PM
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20. Them grapes.
Must be kinda green.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:51 PM
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21. Total and complete vindication
eom
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:33 AM
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22. Keep comin' back
We'll love you until you can love yourself.

Sorry about the election and shit. I really wish you knew better than the Prez, but them's the breaks.

:hurts:
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:18 PM
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3. He is the leader of the party.
We have had, until recently, filibuster proof majorities but little to show for it on the legislative front. That is a failure of leadership. Both at the legislative and executive levels. And the Pres is the leader of the party.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:37 PM
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8. Sure he's the leader, but his job is to sign bills. He can't
legally do both. And where were the filibuster-proof majorities? Tell that to the rethugs who have filibustered everything in their power since Obama took office.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/02/12/84487/senate-republicans-filibuster.html

Since Barack Obama became president nearly 13 months ago, Republicans have made it clear that 60 votes — the number needed to cut off debate in the 100-member Senate — are required to pass not only major Democratic programs, but also many routine proposals. (Democrats controlled 60 Senate seats from July until last week, when Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., was sworn in.)

"Republicans have ratcheted use of the filibuster up to completely unheard of levels. Look at the things that the House (of Representatives) has passed that can't make it through the Senate. The list just keeps growing," said Norman Ornstein, an expert on Congress at the American Enterprise Institute, a center-right policy organization.

The list includes legislation to overhaul health care, which has stalled and isn't a good bet to be revived; global warming legislation; and a bill to overhaul financial regulation. Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada scaled back a bipartisan jobs bill, fearing that a larger package would get tied up in a filibuster. He also filed a "cloture petition," meaning he plans a vote to cut off a filibuster if one starts.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:45 PM
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9. Why did Obama send a financial reform bill to Congress last July?
He didn't see a problem getting involved there.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/01/business/fi-obama-consumers1
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:40 PM
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14. Until Brown won in Mass, we had 60 votes.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 06:43 PM
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15. So? The rethugs still filibustered. nt
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 07:01 AM
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24. DEMOCRATS had a filibuster proof majority
LIBERALS did not. It's questionable whether liberals are even a majority of the senate. (My guess is that there are about 45 liberals).
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:22 PM
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4. neither
IF there is a failure here it is our legislature and we the people. Obama is doing what a good leader does...researching, listening, leading serious discussions and looking for good long-term solutions...Too many on the left are hoping for a sort of dictatorship....and too many on the right are trying to vilify him. I see Obama as a leader who is trying to use great care to sculpt the future of this country.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:41 AM
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23. A lot of people on the left
apparently loved George Bush, except for his being a conservative. They want Obama to be a liberal Bush, and he's not going to be.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:23 PM
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5. President Obama is a leader..I don't care
what the naysayers think.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:25 PM
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6. ??
Did you read this? The writer isn't claiming that Obama is failing to lead, but blaming the weakness of legislators from getting anything accomplished.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:35 PM
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7. Actually, yes, I did read it..
and was only responding to those who say "failure of leadership of the President".

Sorry for the confusion.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:55 PM
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10. He indeed *can* lead, but he isn't. Why? That is the $1M question
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 03:58 PM by Go2Peace
Despite what this OP says Obama is not "leading" from a strong policy position. And that is allowing others to call all the shots.

We saw that he can lead, that is evident from the movement he grew during the election. But something has gone seriously wrong since then.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:02 PM
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11. Big Failure of Leadership.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:29 PM
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12. The President is leading, just that some don't like his manner of doing so.
He led by determining the approx of the stimulus and getting that passed pretty much as requested.
some might not have "liked" the make up or amount of the Stimulus, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the President did lead on this.

He led on how he believes we should proceed in both Iraq and Afghanistand. We may not "like" how he led, but he led exactly as he said he would.

He led on deciding that we should tackle heath care reform, which is why we have been discussing Health Care now for almost a year.

He led by telling all ahead of time what it was that Health Care Reform should do, and then gave Congress their duly task (what they were elected to do) of putting together Health Care Reform. Perhaps we didn't want him to do it that way, but that is the way that he chose to do it. So it's not that he didn't lead on this, some just didn't "like" that he did it this way.

He had told all of us throughout the election that he was interested in Bipartisanship. Now, many may have not wanted that, but that has nothing to do with Pres. Obama sticking to the way he felt Health Care reform should be approached; with both parties participating. That's not a lack of leadership; that's a perfect example of one having a conviction and following through on it, even if it wasn't what Liberals wanted done.

Both bills passed through Congress, and NO we did not have a filibuster proof majority except in the imagination of those who don't want to accept facts; that many of the Dems do not agree with us, period. The fact that both bills passed shows leadership, considering that no other President had gotten that done before.

Well what about him not putting single payer on the table? He stated explicitly that we weren't going to be starting over. He stated that during the election, and followed through on that, in that he really never considered it, although he knew that there were folks out there who felt that this was the only way. So yeah....he didn't lead on discussion about single Payer, because that is exactly said he would do, not consider it as an option. Now, sure, some don't "like" this, but it has nothing to do with leading, because he'd already given us a heads up on that. The fact that those who wanted it considered couldn't persuade that to happen, doesn't have anything to do with his leadership, and may have more to do with the leadership of those who wanted it considered and couldn't get it done. If you voted for him, you already knew his stance on this, so none of it was a surprise, and disappointment from proponents of single payer does not equal lack of leadership.

So what about his giving the Public Option the shaft? As some have stated, he never pushed for it in the way that they had envisioned. But actually he told us that the PO wasn't a pre-requisite to passing health care, and that is how he led on that. Many might not like it, but based on his lack of emphasis on it (the PO is not a panacea was his attitude) that is how he felt about it, and acted accordingly. Point is not that this shows a lack of leadership; means that his emphasis was different from what many of us wanted it to be, and he emphasized what he thought was important.....in other words, he led in the manner that he chose to lead on this issue, which is why the House passed a PO and the Senate didn't....because he stated that he would like it, but would settle for something other than it, if it would achieve competition. The Senate instead passed the Exchange idea, and it is true that this set up does offer competition; just not in the same form as the PO exactly.

So now, where are we?

We have two bills that have passed both chambers of Congress.

We have had a thorough debate in where both parties have had their say, and Americans have been able to follow this debate if they wanted to.

We have the chance to insure 31 million of our citizens, lower cost, include folks who currently can't get health insurance, fund community clinics in a manner never seen, and a chance to set up exchanges to allow more choice than what we have now, and yes, a possible mandate, something that is something that the President changed his mind on, admitted that fact, and gave his rationale as to why he believed that Mandates are needed in order to make HCR work.

So he never led in pushing for government to provide free health care for everyone, and certainly he didn't say that he was leading in getting rid of Insurance companies, or that he was leading to get that going a giant government program (that's what the Right accused him of).

We have a chance to pass HCR, and he led to get to where we are on that. He is now calling on an up/down vote in the House to pass the Senate Bill.

He is stating that via reconciliation, once the bill is passed, a bill of fixes can be passed through the Senate. That is a fact, that it can be.

So Pres. Obama led just fine in my opinion, just that some didn't want to follow, and weren't gonna follow starting on day one, because what the President wanted in HCR isn't what same folks wanted.

A difference in opinion is not a failure to lead. Those who thinks so, must realize that they only say that, because where the President is leading is not where they, themselves, want to go. That's different. That's simply a difference in ideology and the difference between realizing and accepting that there was always a difference between what some wanted and what the President believed was doable.

He is exactly a leader...just that some would have preferred if he was the follower of what they had determined was needed, and No that didn't happen, precisely because he is a leader and not a follower.

You can hate, dislike, not want to support him any longer for it, but to state that where we are is due to a lack of his leadership is inaccurate. period.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 04:33 PM
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13. Bad leadership coupled with endless appeasement of the conservatives
The American people are the losers!
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:13 PM
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16. The entire premise if a fail. He has not been a failure. Can we not write his legacy until
his first term is over?
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:29 PM
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17. I choose option #3....
that we have a system that has gotten so corrupt that it's damn near impossible to get anything accomplished.

Just a thought.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:32 PM
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18. failure of leadership
Obama needed to be out there everyday trashing the Republicans - blaming them for what's wrong with the economy, for their obstruction of healthcare, for their lies.

He needed to be a "kick 'em to the curb" partisan, instead he let them control the message.

Too much the nice guy, and it's cost him. He's been playing beanbag, especially with his own caucus. He needed to play hardball - he needed to knock some heads, threaten certain Senators with withdrawel of Federal projects, Federal moneys, etc... instead he's the one who got pushed around.

He has not used the bully pulpit well, and all the excuse making about "legislative process" is just that - excuse making.

The buck stops at his desk, period.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:35 PM
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19. I think if we're honest about it, we have to say both
Your points are well taken and I agree- but there's plenty of blame to go around with the corrupt and complicit Senate.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 07:10 AM
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25. Both would be my choice as well.
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