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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 04:59 PM
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The arrogance of being president while being black
I don't think anyone was under some real illusion that the election of Barack Obama actually means the end of racism in America. I'm pretty sure that the president-elect knew it better than anyone. After all, he saw it every day, from the moment he announced his candidacy. To some degree, he saw it within his own party during the primaries. And he saw it in all ugliness during the general election. For half of this country, he was "That One". No matter how big and clear his victory was. No matter how smart he is. No matter how decent he is. No matter what a true patriot he is. No matter how optimistic and positive his vision for America was. All that didn't matter. Because at the end of the day, he was still black.

I'm quite old. I remember, vaguely, where my parents been on November 22, 1963. I've seen so many presidents. Some were feared, some were hated, some were adored, some popular and some not. But all of them, without exception, were treated with the highest respect deserve to the office of the president of the United States.

That is until a black man won the right to occupy this office. It's been 13 months now, and in the eyes of so many, Barack Obama is still that one. He is being disrespected and at the same time being held to the highest standard of any president I've ever seen and not just by the Republican side. He has to perform three times better than any president in history, and even that may not be enough.

For the media, he is many more times just "Obama" than "President Obama". They create scandals out of nothing issues. It took them at least 6 years to start giving Bush a small part of the shit he deserved. It took them 6 months to begin crap all over Obama because he's yet to fix the catastrophe that was left for him.


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:06 PM
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1. It's so fucking obvious......
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 05:13 PM by FrenchieCat
it's the derision and meanspiritedness that is exhibited by those who take special glee
in their less than constructive observations.

Those who repeat the same ass shit every single time with nothing new to add,
other than additional insults.

Those who really have convinced themselves, in their little mind, that they "Must" be smarter than this President, on every issue, every time....although when they actually look at their own lives, they fucking know they can't even manage that right, let alone much else.

Those who go out of their way to ignore any positive achievement made by this President,
and opt instead to only deride him some more.

Those who question the teleprompters, and can't and won't ever admit his brilliance without notes
in a 7 hour exchange.

Yep...fucking too obvious, if you ask me.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:25 PM
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6. Yes the idea that everyone thinks they are smarter than the President
certainly flies in the face of the over whelming evidence.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:58 PM
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13. They'd like to be smarter than Pres Obama
but since that will never happen they go for ..seeing who can be more obnoxiously perverted.

Can you imagine their private meetings when they high five the next banal talking point to be delivered ad nauseum?

Who the fuck cares what the little whineyass victims think?

We don't even have worthy adversaries.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:23 PM
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86.  Too bad the UCSD incident didn't get this much attention.
but then that wasn't as important to some.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:13 PM
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2. I was thinking about this the other day.
Since the day he was elected, I have said that the repugs will criticize his every move and blame him for everything. It is sad that a man with such great promise has to be the one to go through this. Hopefully, the next black president will have an easier time. Hopefully, the fundie crazies, the teabagger crazies, and the racists will settle down once they get used to the idea. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:16 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this. There have been a million times I felt like writing the
same thing. His race is the reason for ALL the disrespect shown to him. Not his policies but his race. Period.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:46 PM
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7. you can't go that far. race aside, he's still a democrat
and they disrespect democrats, too.

i certainly agree that there's plenty of completely inappropriate disrespect shown regarding president obama due to his race.
but imagine if the same guy had won the election, only he were white. you KNOW that they'd still be calling him a socialist fascist liberal big government whatever-they're-calling-us-these-days.


of course, in their politics of identity-over-issues, the republicans are the party of "white men & proud" and democrats are the party of "others and their sympathizers" so if president obama were white he would move from being "black" to "black sympathizer" which is no different to a republican.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:49 PM
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8. I disagree...
when did you hear people CRYING that they want their country back? When was a Dem. disrespected during a SOTU speech? The examples go on and on...
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 06:07 PM
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9. i certainly don't doubt that there's a large element of racism in those examples
just not "all".

a president hillary clinton certainly would have gotten plenty of disrespect, although you could argue that they'd just substitute one hatred for another.

but if somehow, the president were, say, dennis kucinich, you know they'd still be showing him disrespect. i mean, they've been disrespecting all of us for years now and they weren't picky then about race.

obama's race just amps it up for them. a LOT.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:31 PM
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11. You're giving me examples of what you think "would have" happened if someone else were president.
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 07:35 PM by jenmito
I'm talking about what HAS happened vs. what has never happened in the past.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:37 PM
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15. well, uh -- yeah. the charge of racism MEANS he "would have" been treated differently/better
so you're supposed to compare to a hypothetical situation where the only thing different was race.
using concrete past examples for comparison is merely a convenient substitute that may or may not apply.

in this case i think it's not clear. they treated president clinton poorly, though not this poorly. but they did establish a trend and i think they were always going to treat the next democratic president worse than they did president clinton.

i think race makes it easier for them to sell the disrespect thing but they were always going to show disrespect for our side.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:14 PM
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19. Uh, you said that you thought hypothetical presidents would be treated the
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:16 PM by jenmito
same way as Obama. I'M saying that no other Dem. president HAS been treated the way Obama was and I gave examples. Even you said Clinton wasn't disrespected this badly. I don't know ANY Dem. president who was called "uppity" or "arrogant," was accused of being a "usurper," a "secret Muslim" (or any other thing equivalent), was asked repeatedly to prove he's American, was called a liar & disrespected during his SOTU, etc.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:19 PM
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20. How much time did you spend doing research on the things Bill Clinton was called?
Can you honestly tell us that you set out to find out what mean things Bill Clinton was and was not called?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:22 PM
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21. None. I went on memory. Why don't you show me examples where he WAS called those things
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:22 PM by jenmito
or shouted at during a SOTU speech?
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:32 PM
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22. Worldnetdaily and Ann Coulter called him a rapist
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:34 PM by angelicwoman
http://mediamatters.org/research/200501120012
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14683

That's a very bad accusation (not to mention false).
Did Coulter believe Clinton was black?

Limbaugh called him a sexual predator: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:IeslO1NxuNUJ:www.ru...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:38 PM
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23. You're equating WND, Coulter, and Limbaugh to congressmen??? Please.
The RW lunatic fringe used to be limited to those people. Now, U.S. congressmen do and say the things I posted about the president.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:38 PM
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24. So congressmen are racist, but Coulter and Limbaugh aren't?
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:41 PM by angelicwoman
Odd.

Let me also point out that the Daily Kos diarist at no point singled out congressmen. He talked about the media and said that "not only republicans" hold Obama to a higher standard. i think it was irresponsible of you not to do research on Bill Clinton before overplaying the race card.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:41 PM
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25. Where'd you get THAT? I said it's ridiculous to equate Coulter and Limbaugh
to congressmen (who are SUPPOSED to be respectful of the president).
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:45 PM
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26. Why did you narrow it down to "congressmen"? The Kos diarist didnt speak about congressmen
Let's talk about the media, journalists, AND congressmen.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:47 PM
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27. You're right. It's done by ALL of the above to Obama, unlike other presidents.
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 09:47 PM by jenmito
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:49 PM
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28. So at a minimum, you say that the mainstream media doesn't do it because he's black?
Your admission that only congressmen (although you have not done researched on what congressmen said about clinton) hold Obama to a higher standard because he's black undermine the Daily Kos diarist, who accused even the left of being driven by racism.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:53 PM
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30. I have no idea where you're getting your ideas of what I say. I never said
"the mainstream media doesn't do it because he's black" and I made no such "admission" about congressmen holding Obama to a HIGHER standard. You are 100% wrong in your understanding of my posts (which I don't think are very hard to comprehend).
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:59 PM
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33. You have made no attempt to tell us how the MSM treated Clinton
I know how the MSM has treated Obama, but I don't pretend they didn't treat Clinton like shit too.
Note that I'm the only one doing the research about Clinton, while you hold all the evidence back. I'm pretty sure you've heard of Mediamatters..and if you type "Bill Clinton" in the search box, you will find tons and tons of articles denouncing the MSM treatment of Clinton.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:04 PM
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35. Go do the research if you want. That's on you. The examples I gave up-thread are
unique to Obama and worse than anything done to/said about Clinton.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:53 PM
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29. Did i mention that hundreds of GOP congressmen voted to impeach Clinton?
I'd rather a guy yell at me during my speak than a ton of congressmen from the other party impeach me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:56 PM
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31. Clinton messed around with an intern.....
Obama hasn't. Whatever Clinton got, there was some vestige of truth in the accusations.
There are none when it comes to Obama that I can tell.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:03 PM
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34. So you admit that the intern, as opposed to skin color, was the key here
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:04 PM by angelicwoman
bingo!

That's my whole point. Republicans have a lot of things they hate (or pretend to hate), including certain sexual behavior that has nothing to do with skin color. And of course, the fact Clinton was a BIG DEMOCRAT.

Why didn't they give white Bill Clinton a pass, even though he messed with an intern? I mean, he was white, wasn't he?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:06 PM
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36. I do not believe that there is something "wrong" with being Black....
However, getting Blow jobs while in office from someone other than your wife,
and then denying it; well that could easily be up to debate of how wrong that might be!

So for you to believe that somehow they is a parallel in one's skin color
and one's sexual moral behavior is rather, well,.....totally off-the-wall wrong.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:12 PM
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41. Impeachment up to debate? Did you know what percentage of people was against impeachment?
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:13 PM by angelicwoman
I understand your position, as trashing Clinton is part of pretending that he was respected.
I'm also wondering how many DU'ers believe, or believed at that time, that Clinton should have been impeached due to a blowjob.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:15 AM
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58. Which action
is less deadly, a blow job or sending young men and women off to die for a lie?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:56 PM
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32. You are so disconnected from what I'm saying. Voting to impeach Clinton
for a REASON (although not a very VALID reason IMO) is nothing compared to what Obama has gone through even BEFORE he was elected.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:06 PM
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37. Before Obama was elected, the media treated him better than white Edwards and Hillary
And unless you were in Saturn, you would know this. And as far as I know, Hillary and Edwards were white.
I bring up the pre-election period because you brought it up first.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:12 PM
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40. I'm talking about Repubs. in office openly saying things like Obama & his wife hate America
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:12 PM by jenmito
and other things.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:15 PM
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43. Yeah, that Rev. Wright Incident was like really treating him just simply super duper!
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:16 PM by FrenchieCat
Or asking him where was his flag pin, by folks not wearing one.

Yep....that was soooo "nice" treatment. :sarcasm:


:eyes:
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:20 PM
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45. Keep going. Mention the fact that Drudge said next to nothing bad about Obama
Tell us how David Brooks wrote nice pieces about Obama, and about how Penny Noonan and the Washington Post's Kathlyn Parker took Obama's side. Mention how the New York Post endorsed Obama against Hillary, and how Limbaugh only pretended to "endorse" Hillary when Obama was seen as the favorite to win it all.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:28 PM
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49. Drudge just posted pics of Obama somehow in Muslim Garb
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:29 PM by FrenchieCat
or some shit, that started an entire saga that didn't end to this day.
Yeah.....Drudge barely said nothing. :eyes:

The only reason the right "favored" Obama during the primary, is that they
didn't really think the Black guy with the funny name was ever gonna win the general election.

Doh! :crazy:
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:34 PM
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51. Duh. that story dealt a blow to Hillary's campaign.
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:34 PM by angelicwoman
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that that story was good for Hillary Clinton? it provided munition to those who wanted to play the race card, even though Hillary's camp denied having knowledge of anyone in her campaign sending that picture.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:35 PM
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52. Well, they are still calling Obama a Muslim......
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:36 PM by FrenchieCat
Haven't heard anything stated about Hillary and this incident since.

but you're like a dog with a bone....which you can have.

You are now on my ignore list till the pizza comes.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:44 PM
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54. Maybe, just maybe, because they gain more by trashing the President
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:45 PM by angelicwoman
Trust me. Opposition parties throughout the world will choose to attack the President more often and more agressively than one of his officials. Among Big Democrats, Obama is bigger than Hillary.

That's why Limbaugh pretended to "endorse" Hillary only when Obama was perceived to be the likely winner in the primaries--because attacking the biggest opponent makes more sense.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:30 PM
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80. there was a picture of Max Cleland next to Osama Bin Laden in his last Senate race
Posted a picture of this war hero next to a picture of OBL. I'm not saying there is no racism. I have fought against it all my life. But all our Democratic presidents and candidates have faced some serious smear campaigns. The swiftboating of John Kerry was a horrendous smear. The right uses whatever they can.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:52 AM
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73. Oh BS!
His pastor's serum was run in a loop by every single cable and network news program for weeks. Palin was given front and center authority and exposure to cheer on racists at her rallies with almost no one in the media pointing that out until it really started getting out of control and the crowd began to attack the media. William Ayers was discussed constantly as though being on the same non-profit board with someone for a brief period constituted a deep relationship with a terrorist.

This was carried on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and not just Fox, and in every major newspaper.

Give me a break. He was treated like crap by the vast majority of the media and there was not one hour that went by when it wasn't either mentioned in some condescending way that he is Black or the question asked: "Can a Black man win the presidency?" I'm sorry but that is a major insult and degradation of this man and his accomplishments whether they meant it or not. It's like: "He's accomplished a lot and he is an intelligent and decent man, but oooo-weee, did you notice he's Black?" It was disgraceful. There is no way of saying the campaign by the media to ignore almost everything about this man except his skin color wasn't denigrating and offensive.

Clinton and Edwards were by no means treated worse than or as bad as Obama.


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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:07 PM
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38. Calling for impeachment is nothing compared to what Obama has gone through? lol
I have to admit this exchange is based on very subjective opinions, because for some reason I believe an impeachment vote to be a very serious thing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:14 PM
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42. As both Frenchie and I said, Clinton was impeached for a REASON. Obama has been
attacked, insulted, etc. for no reason. And I'm saying no other president, who did exactly the same things Obama did, would be treated that way.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:17 PM
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44. For a very bad reason
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:23 PM by angelicwoman
You are in the fragile position of having to defend a blowjob as a good reason for impeachment.
If it's not a good reason, then Clinton got screwed by Republicans unfairly.
If he was white, Why didn't Republicans give him a pass?

Could it be that they moved to impeach him because he was a Big Democrat whom they needed to discredit in order to score political points?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:23 PM
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46. WTH are you talking about? I said it was a REASON, even though not reason
ENOUGH IMO. But it was valid. It was for lying under oath. Your "logic" is so twisted, thinking that my position should be that he should get a pass because he's WHITE. No-his race shouldn't give him a pass for doing something wrong.

I really can't keep trying to make you understand something you clearly can't/don't want to.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:42 PM
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53. Oh yeah, lying about a BJ. Such a valid reason to impeach a President! n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. You're Off-Base. No one is defending impeachment......
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:24 PM by FrenchieCat
You, however, are attempting to compare apples to oranges in order to say that race has
nothing to do with anything. You are wrong about that, no matter how many posts you make
in this thread saying the same thing over and over again. It will still be wrong.
Democrats may be treated awful (no one is disputing that), but a Black President is being
treated worse. The part you can't or don't want to see? HE'S NOT DONE ANYTHING TO
BE TREATED AS HE HAS BEEN, PERIOD.

I'm done talking to you about this, cause it is obvious that you ain't gonna do anything
but repeat what you have already said. I'll agree to disagree, and for me, the road ends there.
Bye!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:28 PM
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48. "HE'S NOT DONE ANYTHING TO BE TREATED AS HE HAS BEEN, PERIOD." Amen.
I'm done with that poster, too.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:30 PM
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50. I think people who are strongly biased toward Obama pretendn to forget about the past
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:31 PM by angelicwoman
To some people, it's all a competition to prove that Obama tops everyone else, including other Democrats that have been savaged by the media and Republicans.

And you tried to lessen the stupidity of Republican attempts to impeach Clinton.

I like Obama and would pick him over any Republican. But I'm not blind yet.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:58 AM
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74. ...
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 11:59 AM by Hansel
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vincenzoesq Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:16 PM
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4. Indeed!
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 05:17 PM by vincenzoesq
Great post. As smart, articulate, and reasonable as our president is, we can't expect anyone to fix the last eight years overnight. Not only has he kept us out of a depression, begun bringing troops home from Iraq, and more---he has done so without much help from Congress, and downright mutiny from the GOP.
While I don't agree with some of his decisions, I still don't want my money back. President Obama was and is the best person for the job, and deserves
more credit than he is currently getting.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 05:19 PM
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5. Absolutely! Thanks for articulating what we all know!
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 06:25 PM
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10. Looking at the pictures of the summit
it's easy to pick out the president:

white white white white white white white arrogant white white white white . . .

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 07:51 PM
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12. It's blackwaterdog! Thanks Maverick~
I hope the Cosmos is on his side too, blackwaterdog!

"'He's weak, he's spineless, he's got no balls, primary him in 2012'.." Fuck that.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:35 PM
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14. No matter what, we'll always have racism to blame if things go bad.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:41 PM
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16. We overplay the race card. Diarist says "all presidents" were treated with respect. Oh yeah?
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 08:45 PM by angelicwoman
They wanted Clinton impeached, and made up tons of lies about him. I don't think I even need to re-visit all those well-documented smears. Please do not say Bill Clinton was treated with respect.

The GOP hates Obama with passion because the GOP hates Big Democrats with passion. They can't stand Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton. Neither are black.

Does anyone doubt that the smears against Hillary would have been comparable or worse than those against Obama. After all, Republicans and the MSM in general were more anti-Hillary than anti-anything during the primaries.

Al Gore was smeared more than most politicians, and he didn't even make it to the White House.

And this is all before the internet exploded to the levels it is now. In the last decade, internet use has grown humongously. This provides an expanded platform for haters to spread their hate. And even so, Clinton and Gore were savaged.

Has any of you checked out freerepublic and seen what they say about Al Gore? I recommend taking a look one of these days. Their hatred is pathological. Because they are wingnuts, and they hate Big Democrats.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 11:11 PM
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55. My experience has been that people who complain about "overplaying the race card" tend NEVER to
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 11:13 PM by EffieBlack
acknowledge the existence of racism in any concrete, immediate context.

Yes, they admit that racism exists, but it usually seems to be some ethereal concept always somewhat removed from their reality. And whenever anyone points it out, they deny its existence in that case - instead, accusing the person who points it out of "playing the race card" - usually after prefacing the accusation with "racism is real . . ." and bookending it with "you're making it harder for people to deal with racism when it really happens." Of course, to many of these people, racism NEVER really happens. Instead, they keep kicking the can down the road with a dismissive and, frankly, patronizing, "THIS isn't racism. I'll tell you when something racist happens. So just shut up already until *I* tell you when you can complain because you're getting on my nerves."

The fact that white presidents have been subjected to bad treatment does not negate the very obvious fact that much of the attacks on President Obama are race-based. I'm quite sick and tired of being told that I'm overreacting to something that I know all-too-well - often by people who do not seem the least bit interested in better understanding the perspective of those of us who know exactly whereof we speak.

Bill Clinton was not accused of hating white people - or black people for that matter. Jimmy Carter was not depicted in racist, stereotypical caricatures. I am not aware of any previous presidents who were spoken to and about as if they were the hired help. Presidents 1-43 were not consistently referred to by their race.

You can pretend it doesn't exist or try to deflect it all you want. But the bottom line is that President Obama IS being treated differently by many people - some in positions of power in the government and the media - because he is a black man. Period. If, for whatever reason, you choose to close your eyes and ears to that fact, so be it. But it is a plain and simple fact.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:40 AM
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56. +1000 n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:08 AM
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61. agreed
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:16 AM
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62. Hear, hear!
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 10:14 AM by Empowerer
Thank you so much for calling out the all-too-common tendency among some liberals to proudly and frequently tout their opposition to racism in the macro sense while failing to ever step up to the plate to actually address it when it matters.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:58 AM
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65. +1 Thank You!!! nt
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:04 AM
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71. Spot on!
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:25 PM
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78. Well said!
:applause:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:17 PM
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84. Thank you, Effie.. I know they disrepspect Dems
in General but they're republicon racist assholes..of course, they'd have extra contempt for President Obama.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 08:58 PM
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17. Kick &Recommended!!!
:dem: :dem:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:08 PM
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18. Numerous (and God-awful) typos aside, this is brilliant
"The racism coming from the Right is obviously clear and shameless, but there's also some hidden and maybe subconscious and disturbing underline tone behind some of the things that I read here and throughout the Left blogosphere, even before the end of Obama's first year - 'He's weak, he's spineless, he's got no balls, primary him in 2012'. It'll be dishonest to deny that."

"Somehow it turned out that the one president who treats even his biggest opponents with the utmost respect is the arrogant one. I wonder why."

Amen. Kicked and rec'd
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:10 PM
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39. BINGO - Right On the Money
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 10:13 PM by otohara
they are all so disrespectful towards him.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:01 AM
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57. What's this guy smoking?
"I've seen so many presidents. Some were feared, some were hated, some were adored, some popular and some not. But all of them, without exception, were treated with the highest respect deserve to the office of the president of the United States."

Did he sleep through the '90s? Carter was also treated poorly. Are the Clintons and Carter also AA?

Obama by comparison has had way easier.

:eyes:
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 05:08 AM
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59. Funny you bring up Carter
because even he admitted that there were racist undertones in the horrible treatment of Obama. And folks bashed him for it and accused him of "pulling the race card."

:eyes:

Anyway...once again I really don't understand why people don't think these folks can hate democrats and be racist fucks at the same time.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:44 AM
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63. Do you think all presidents were treated "with the highest respect deserved"?
That was the criticism made against the Dailykos diarist.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:40 AM
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68.  Some earned poor treatment
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:07 AM
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60. Your claims that racism doesn't exist are pretty far fetched
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:46 AM
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64. That's a strawman. You are responding to a person who didn't claim racism doesn't exist
It's not whether racism exists or not. It's how much of the hatred stems from racism, and you think a lot of it stems from racism, and some of us think the attacks on Obama are overwhelmingly based on the fact that wingnuts hate Democrats.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:34 AM
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67. Nope no strawman (perhaps one of the most over used false defenses)
the problem with the poster's claims is either there is no racism or some how Obama is immune to racism. Neither claim if valid and put's a real irony in the poster's "what are they smoking?" comment.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:46 AM
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69. On a related note. I remember when a DailyKos diarist said Hillary darkened an Obama photo
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 10:47 AM by angelicwoman
This goes to the heart of the problem---that people overplaying the race card sometimes get so overzealous in trying to exaggerate racism that they make thinks up.

A race-baiting diarist saw a picture of Obama that looked unusually dark. He immmediately cried race, accusing Hillary of doing it on purpose.

Factcheck.org later analyzed the video and concluded that the video was dark over-all and no deliberate retouching had taken place. The Kos diarists were embarassed and had to apologize.

This same mind-frame is what led the diarist in question on this thread to make the ridiculous statement that "all presidents have been treated with the highest respect deserved."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_dar...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:52 AM
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70. You are creating a false logic. There is racism and it hurts Obama
nothing you have brought up changes that in any way shape or form
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:25 AM
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72. I appreciate your OP
It sad to see that so many people on DU have such a hard time openly acknowledging racist words, actions, and threats that are directed toward the first black president of the US. It's an ongoing problem in our country - many of us feel much more comfortable denying that racism exists than confronting it. For racism deniers that pop up whenever it is mentioned that Obama is singled out for racist treatment, there seems to be emotional comfort in the idea that Pres. Obama is facing _exactly_ what other presidents have faced - nothing worse, due to his racial and cultural identity. This is a perfect mindset for continuing the denials of unequal treatment that have led to a long legacy of racial apartheid in this country THAT STILL PERSISTS. Take some time to travel around this country beyond the tourist sites and downtown business zones and it's easy to see how much the geography of our country reflects an economic and racial apartheid.

The race and perception issues obviously go beyond what we think about Pres. Obama's performance in office, and I've been as critical as anyone about certain aspects of his economic and health care policies. But the whole "playing the race card" meme dies hard - whatever that nonsense phrase "playing the race card" is supposed to mean. We still have a very long ways to go on issues of race, public perceptions, and the achievement gaps that are a huge impediment to economic and social health in this country - too many of us don't get it yet. Denying the undeniable fact that Pres. Obama faces discrimination due to his race sure doesn't help.

At least we're trying to move forward by having a conversation...I guess.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:39 PM
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89. When did I claim that racism doesn't exist?
But to pretend that Obama is treated poorly by the Republicans and right wingers because he's black is not entirely factual. Some of them may be racists, but they would have opposed just as strongly any Democratic president, whether it had been Hillary, Edwards or anyone else.

:shrug:
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:00 AM
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66. How exactly has Obama had it easier? nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:33 PM
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87. Are you serious?
Obama would have an inkling of what the Clintons went through if:

1. A special prosecutor persecutes him, his wife, his staffers and friends for 5 years; leaving them with huge legal bills (the Clintons owed over $2M to their attorneys by the time they left the WH).

2. They drag the First Lady in front of a grand jury and grill her for several hours.

3. When he gets impeached for lying about a private sex act because they couldn't find anything else to charge him with after years of investigating every aspect of his and his wife's lives and they needed to justify the $50M to $70M they spent on their witch hunt.

Then, and only then, will Obama even come close to going through the same level of hell that the Clintons went through during their years in the WH.

;-)
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:38 PM
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88. Well, when Obama engages in similar behavior then we can compare
the treatment.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:43 PM
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90. Which behavior?
They persecuted the Clintons for years, way before Bill had his fling with Monica. Obama has gone through nothing even remotely comparable. Going after Bill for his sexual peccadilloes was just an excuse to justify their witch hunt.
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bjjblackbelt Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:37 PM
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75. Men should be respected for their actions not words or physical traits.
I dont understand why race is such an issue. The facts speak for themselves. Broken promises and continuation of the past regime's policies plus protection of the aforementioned perpetrators. Many here idolize him for some reason. Personally, I dont like the way he turns his nose up as he lies to us.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:42 PM
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76. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. What does your post have to do with people calling Obama "arrogant" and disrespecting him
the way no other Dem. president has been disrespected???
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:49 PM
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91. You know that's not true.
Other Democratic presidents were disrespected far worse.

Besides, how about respecting others? Everyone called him "Mr. President" at the healthcare summit while he addressed them by their first name. If this was an official setting, then he should have addressed them by their title, just as they were addressing him. Particularly since some of them are old enough to be his father, like McCain for example.

:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:00 PM
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95. I'm not surprised that you're defending the Repubs. You never defend Obama yet you
manage to have nothing but praise for the Clintons. Hmmm...

Which other Dem. president had a Repub. shout "YOU LIE" or anything else during a SOTU speech? Which other Dem. president was considered by a large group of people not to be an American? Which other Dem. president had calls of impeachment for NO valid reason? I could go on, but I won't waste my time. You obviously still haven't gotten over the primaries.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:31 PM
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96. I'm not defending the Republicans.
To receive respect one must give it too. There was a dissonance in hearing an older man like McCain calling Obama by his title while the much younger man kept calling him "John". I certainly don't care for McCain's politics, but it still didn't seem right.

As for Wilson, the guy is a jerk. There's no argument there.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:44 PM
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97. Obama is the PRESIDENT. McCain is a senator no matter the age difference. You
may not like it, but Obama out-ranks McCain. And with all the things McCain has said to and about Obama, I couldn't care less if it "didn't seem right" to you. The president was calling the others there by their first names for any number of legitimate reasons, including wanting to look friendly to them. I'm sure if any of them asked him to call them "Senator," he would've. Just like, I would hope, they would stop using the term the "Democrat Party" which is VERY disrespectful.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:29 PM
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99. It's not what I think, but how it was perceived.
Read the non LW blogs and the newspapers. Obama may outrank any senator, but calling someone by their proper title would not diminish him, quite the contrary.

The RW refuses to call the Democratic party by such name because they want to show their disdain, but that is another topic altogether.

;-)
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:21 PM
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98. Do you know anything about anything?
A 19-year old Lieutenant can call a 50-year old Private by his first or last name or by his rank, but that Private has to call the Lt. "sir." Know why? Regardless of the age difference, that 19-year Lieutenant OUTRANKS that Private. It doesn't matter if the two of them are in an official capacity or at the grocery store (though things do get more informal at grocery stores.)

It is the exact same thing with the President and members of Congress. Your ridiculous attempts to find fault and criticize President Obama for EVERYTHING are tedious and tired to the extreme. Everyone is so damn sick of it. First he "used a teleprompter" then he "bowed to low" to the Japanese emperor, now you have the nerve to try to pretend that your criticisms of his calling members of Congress by their first names are legitimate and not part of this idiotic need you have to tear him down EVERY SINGLE CHANCE that you get. Please, for God's sake just STOP.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:46 PM
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100. Oh, calm down...........
The difference with the military is that it's not a democracy, ranking rules. Any president needs some support from the other side, so it behooves him to appear cordial and equanimous in certain situations like the HC summit. The end result was that the punditry and some of the newspapers brought up the word "arrogant" over and over. Strategically speaking, it would have been better not to have said "I'm president" and to have called the others there by their title. It would have made him appear the bigger and better person and shown the Republicans to be petty and small minded.

Perceptions.........

;-)
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:58 PM
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102. The protocol of the House and Senate are not "democratic" either
The President outranks EVERYBODY. Deal with it.

And I'll "calm down" the millisecond you stop hating on this President.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:30 AM
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103. I don't hate him.
I just think that he was not the best qualified candidate for these difficult times and I'm far from being the only one who thinks so. Knowing how to navigate around the shark tank that is Washington takes time. Experience does matter in life.

:shrug:


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 01:28 AM
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108. If you believeed that man was around during the time of the dinosaurs
you would be "far from being the only one who thinks" that too. Damn sure doesn't mean that's even close to being right.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. President Obama isn't lying to us so your
post is ignorant.
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bjjblackbelt Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #83
93. Lies!
Obama promised things during his campaign and has/is doing the opposite while in power. That is lying.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:45 AM
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104. Nope, President Obama isn't lying.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:56 AM
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106. Your concern is noted. Welcome to DU. I hope you like Pizza. n/t
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:44 PM
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77. +1
Obama's time in office has made clear to me that a black person in a position of power has to work twice as hard (at least) in order to get the same level of respect and credit.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:27 PM
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79. Is our hatred of Palin sexist? What about Clinton....Wasn't she
always referred to as Hillary?

Aren't the media always creating scandals out of nothing issues whenever they can to boost their ratings?

It isn't racism just because it happens when a black man is in office...nor more than it is sexism when a woman is running for president...

We don't get to cherry pick. Face it..the majority of Americans voted in an African American man...and that includes white Americans.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. Nope. It's because she has incited violence with her accusations that Obama
"pals around with terrorists" and other nasty lies. Hillary WANTED to be called "Hillary." Her signs said, "Hillary for President," "Hillary '08," etc.

Nobody created a scandal here. It's a fact that there are those who use code words to express their hatred of a Black president. He did nothing to deserve the charge of being "arrogant." He's president and happens to be intelligent-much more so than our LAST president. And those who "want their country back" and call Obama names are doing so because they can't stand the thought of a Black man having such a high "rank" in this country.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #79
92. Many criticisms against both Palin and Hillary were indeed sexist.
Comments about their age, hair, bodies, make-up, clothes, etc. have nothing to do with their experience, capabilities and intellect. So yes, some comments were sexists and some criticisms of Obama are racists, but to make a blanket statement as the Op made that no other president has been disrespected as much as Obama is inaccurate. Come to think of it, how much did we respect Bush?

;(
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #92
101. To reinforce your point: Dana Milbank and Chris Cillizza called her a "'mean bitch"
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 11:58 PM by angelicwoman
We made so much noise, fortunately, that their unfunny little joint column was cancelled.

According to Media Matters, Chris Matthews has called her "witchy," a "strip-teaser," and a "she-devil."
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #101
105. I think that they called her a "Mad Bitch".
For which they later had to apologize. I wonder how well it would have gone for them if they had used the "N" word on Obama........

Disrespecting women is nothing new. Read this article, the comments are very interesting.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/28/mary-hillary-cl...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:20 PM
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85. Wow. the real racism at UCSD is barely commented on and THIS is discussed and recced?
This certainly isn't the DU of yesterday.I remember when real issues were discussed.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #85
107. There are over seven OP's about the racism at UCSD
All you need to do is perform a search on UCSD.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 02:01 AM
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109.  I have read them.That isn't the point. I congratulate those who posted that story.
One poster in particular led on it.Originally the UCSD story was unrecced.
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warm regards Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 09:25 PM
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94. I didn't realize that being black was so important.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 03:41 PM
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110. note how quickly the National Media jumps to Sarah Palin's use of arrogant--as if they were thinking
it all by themselves.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 04:15 PM
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111. He set himself up as the hope and change guy. No more business as usual.
He's a victim of his own rhetoric. If he would only walk the walk the left would continue to be his most ardent supporters.

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