Am I rarity in progressive circles? I like Rahm Emanuel, James Carville, Howard Dean & Cynk Uygur

[wndycty]

Or am I supposed to hate some of these guys to show I like some of the other guys to prove my progressive bona fides?

[Webster Green]

1. You should hate the crap Rahm Emanuel & James Carville come up with.

They are both idiots.

[Captain Hilts]

10. Emanuel does Obama's bidding, not the other way around. nt

[Vincardog]

2. Am you a rarity in progressive circles? If like the policies of Rahm Emanuel & James Carville, YES

[democracy1st]

27. +1

[zulchzulu]

3. Politics has many jesters to make the minions amazed for the day's festivities

Rahm and James knew how to dance with the sleight of hand some will find amusing if only to make them forget their pitiful fates for a fleeting moment.

So, yeah, you can like them...

[The Magistrate]

4. If You Are, Sir, Then We Both Are....

[wndycty]

5. Thanks!

:kick:

[prolesunited]

20. Seems like the Chicago people

are of a like mind.

:hi: to you both

[mopinko]

43. +1

everybody wants a dem with a spine, then they meet one, and they hate them.

[RoyGBiv]

6. No, you're not ...

Right there with you.

I don't like looking at James Carville, but that's different.

[Uzybone]

15. LOL. Very true

[rufus dog]

25. I don't like looking at his wife even more.

If every a couple should take a vow of silence....

[Gman2]

7. Only HERE!. I am considered radical, by most, but am moderate here.

[rpannier]

8. I'm with you on 3 of 4

I don't like Emanuel

Carville is one of the few who is willing to go after Republicans in the same manner they go after Democrats. He's one of the few that will play as dirty as they do

My favorite Carville moment was with Santorum about six years ago when he said "That's not true and you know it! You sit there and lie, not distort, lie about what you're doing..."

Dean goes after them with facts

And Cenk does a great job of explaining the broader implications of issues

[Doremus]

34. Do you remember when Carville went after Dean with the same venom?

I do. It was the day after the 2006 midterms and Carville made the rounds of every news show for the sole purpose of beating the shit out of Dean for being such a bad DNC Chairman.

No, I do not like Carville. Just the opposite. He is a double-dealing snake in the grass.

[rpannier]

38. Maybe true

But we do need more people who go after Republicans hard and we just don't seem to have anyone else that pushes like he does

He was wrong about Dean, as was Begalia.

But when he's out there defending Obama (and he does) he doesn't allow himself to get in the "Yes, but..." which too many Dems on TV do.

Carville doesn't do, "Yes I think the President is handling it wrong, but..."
With Carville you get, "Oh, come on now. We've seen what damage the Republicans do. The last people that should make any criticisms of the President are the people who made this mess."

I'll take Carville over the vast majority of people out there any day.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Carville, not so much....

he kind of wore me out about 10 years ago.

Rahm, I don't really care so much about to invest my emotions into him....so I don't have "personal" feelings for him, although his "strategy" thus far ain't been too hot. His voting record was quite progressive, but he's supposed to be this evil monster, or so I'm told (ordered). I'm neutral on the guy.

Howard Dean I like, even when I don't agree with him, which has happened.

Cynk's not in the same class as the others at all. He hasn't accomplished anything remotely of any real value to date that would make me have an opinion about him that would call for my loyalty. he's an opinions guy, and as with most of those, I agree with some of his opinions, and not with others, when I bother to find out what those are. What he hasn't done is ran or won or served at any level for public office, advised anyone who has, or done anything of note beyond having a youtube Internet show; one that's just a guy sitting at a desk with a camera in front of him stating what he thinks. I think stuff too, and so I'm not that impressed. Rachel Maddow has more pull with me than he will ever have.

[ihavenobias]

37. I agree, "Cynk" sucks!

Cenk on the other hand is pretty accomplished.

;)

PS---He's had Maddow on the show before and they both have plenty of 'pull' with me.

[FrenchieCat]

42. What has Cenk accomplished in politics?

that would warrant him being compared to the likes of Howard Dean, a multi times elected Governor and a Presidential Candidate; Carville, who helped Bill Clinton win two terms and Rahm who served in the house for 7 years and prior to that also working in the White House?

As far as Rachel; having her on your show doesn't make you comparable to her. Sorry.

PS. Far as Cenk's name, I thought that was his name, but the Op poster wrote his name differently, and I thought maybe that was his real name or something....so pardon me. Hope you lashed the OP as well!

[ihavenobias]

47. Lashed out?

I left a brief comment with a fun play on the misspelling!

And I'm not interested in a pointless "my dad can beat up your dad" debate, it's incredibly unproductive. But since you like Howard Dean, you'll be happy to know he'll be on TYT this Thursday, so I look forward to you tuning in for the interview.

;)

PS---Rachel is awesome, on that we agree.

[FrenchieCat]

49. LOL!

[emilyg]

11. I like 3 on your list.

[Raine]

12. I LOVE Dean, HATE Rahm and find Carville amusing

Cynk I'm not that familar with.

Edit: spelling

[MannyGoldstein]

13. Seriously: What Has Rahm Done That's Not An Attack On The Working Class Or A Failure? nt

[w4rma]

14. Well Rahm doesn't like you. He says you're a retard. Your feelings are unrequited. (nt)

[wndycty]

17. If I see him again, I will ask him. When I ran Clark's campaign in Illinois in 2004, I reported ...

. . .to him (he was the chairman of Clark's campaign here and I was the director). I haven't talked to him since 2007, but I stay in touch with a 2 of his Congressional staffers.

I am a fan, I have sat down with the man and I am fan.

[Go2Peace]

26. So you are a progressive and have met and like him, so is he a secret progressive?

I have Republican friends who I "like" and are in my social circle. But I sure as heck would likely not "like" their policies if they were in places of power.

[wndycty]

29. He is a Democrat who fights for Democrats he believes can win. . .

. . .when it comes to Congressional races he supports the candidates who can win in those districts.

[avaistheone1]

41. Not really.

Emmanuel undermines grassroot candidates from communities, and replaces them with DLC candidates which are supported by the corporations.

[boppers]

16. Depends on whether you think hate is a progressive value.

I tend to be of the thought that hate is not progressive.

[donheld]

39. Hate can be very progressive it you use it right

I hate the Idea of Torture.
I hate being lied into a war.
I hate inequality.
I hate people suffering and dying without medical treatment because they can't afford it.

You get my drift?

[boppers]

45. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.

It's the whole dark side thing.

[Jennicut]

18. Not really. I find use for Paul Begala on occasion. Rahm is not my favorite Dem.

Carville and his wife are both fake and I don't like him, love Howard, Uygur does a lot of speculation on occasion so while I like his progressive ideals I take the things he says wih a grain of salt.

[prolesunited]

19. I wonder that all of the time

I just figure I'll never be one of the cool kids. I think we are in agreement on much and I'm still here.

[brand404]

21. Rahm's a democrat?!?!? When did this happen?

[salguine]

22. .

[DeepModem Mom]

23. I'm with you -- and The Illustrious Magistrate. nt

[TheKentuckian]

24. I find Skeletor amusing as long as he isn't close to policy making

because he's a beltway corporate asskisser. Carvill isn't a make nice with the Confederates type so at least he has that going on.

Maybe Rahm would be entertaining as an out of the loop talking head.

The personalities are not significant, I don't care if I like them or not if they perform admirably.

[CTLawGuy]

28. Did you know Howard Dean isn't really a progressive

because when he signed the Vermont civil unions bill in 2000, he did it in an insufficiently public ceremony. It's true, I heard it on this very board.

To be a bona fide progressive, it seems like you need to:
1. hate everyone because they are not pure enough,
2. show a complete ignorance of how government works,
3. blame everything on "the corporations",
4. attack anything that is actually accomplished because it was "not good enough" (rather than applauding but wanting more),
5. unwittingly be useful idiots for the republicans in their Obstruct and Cause to Fail strategy designed to humiliate the Democrats.

[lunatica]

30. It seems you're more of a Centrist if you like them

I'm not throwing any stones because without the Center all that's left is extremes. But they aren't Progressive.

[leftynyc]

31. Same here - I agree with you

I don't think we're a rarity in progressive circles. Certainly a rarity here.

[Greyhound]

32. Liking or disliking the individuals is meaningless, but liking/agreeing with half their

opinions pretty much excludes you as progressive.

ETA; The Carville Emanuel half

[CBR]

33. I am with you wndycty... I respect and like alot of people on all

sides of the spectrum...

[Fire1]

35. Out of the four, I like Carville the most. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

36. A rarity amongst the netroots, yes.

Because when all people know how to do is complain on the Internet, then the only way they think to get anything from anyone who actually is effective, is to threaten and/or throw them under the bus. It is their only strategy, and basically means that they will eventually throw everyone down there, despite all else that they do for the complainers.

However, amongst the real-life progressive activists and other people who show up, who devise a strategy to give them what they want, who take responsibility for getting things done, who understand the nuance and subtlety of politics, and have the merit badges to prove it, you are the rule rather than the exception! :fistbump: :party: :toast: :thumbsup:

[donheld]

40. I love Dean, but I don't think we should be told who to like or dislike

We should come to our own conclusions about people based on solid information.

[democrat2thecore]

44. If you like typical backroom corporate Chicago politics, Rahm is your guy. -nt

[KingFlorez]

46. You aren't alone

I like all of them.

[Clintonista2]

48. I like them too

I question in particular peoples hate of James Carville. I think the guy is great. People act like he's this monster just because he's married to a Republican. Sheesh.