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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:58 PM
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Anybody Else Considering Going Socialist?
On the eve of President Obama's first State of the Union address, just days after the Supreme Court legislated that deep-pocketed corporations have the same First Amendment rights as We the People--I am actually considering joining the Socialist Party USA. As much as I love Obama, I am sooooooo disappointed in how little change he has been able to effect this year. The Dems are PATHETIC!

They control the House, Senate AND the frickin' White House and STILL don't have the political will to bring about long-overdue healthcare reform! And we're STILL spending billions on TWO wars in the Middle East, and the economy is STILL in the toilet. I love you, President Obama, but my faith is wearing very thin. I keep saying I'm reserving judgment, give the guy a chance... . It will take one HELL of a SOTU speech to pry me from my growing malaise.

PS I have not posted here in a long, long time. I guess I'm looking for some hope.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:01 PM
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1. Considering? Way ahead of you!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:07 PM
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9. We need a local club cause this north Ral lib would gladly join ya -I've considered myself socialist
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:08 PM by slay
for years. As we have clearly, brutally, seen - c(r)apitalism CLEARLY does not work in any type of healthy, long-term survival kinda way. At all.

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:01 PM
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2. 'tis a barren tree you've come to seeking shade
Right now everybody is bummed. Hope is in very short supply.
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM
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3. You mean having affordable healthcare?
Yep....I am better off socialist than democrat.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM
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4. remember that, if socialist policies are explained to Americans--they love them!
what we don't need is to "improve competitiveness": America needs actual, specific goals
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:24 AM
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34. Yeah, that "competitive" mantra is really wearing thin with me, too.
Especially when the word "competitive" is never used in the same sentence as actually PRODUCING things.

IMHO
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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5. I'm already there...
I admit, I did have some hope that change was coming... but it hasn't happened yet.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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6. Oh yeah. (nt)
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:06 PM
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7. I have two beautiful and bright nieces. My regular advise to them is....
Marry a nice European and get a dual passport.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:12 PM
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10. You are one smart Auntie! GREAT advice (eom)
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:58 PM
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18. I second that.
Q3JR4
Now accepting marriage or civil union proposals from all interested Europeans. Identifies as a gay
male but for purposes of this proposal is willing to forgo the normal requirement of "male".
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:07 PM
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8. I come from a long line of socialists....
.... back several generations, I'm talking Woodmen of the World when they were ACTUALLY a bunch of socialists, men who joined "temperance leagues" as fronts when they weren't really concerned with temperance ... socialists are generally made up of rather strong constitutions and dont tend to sway with the wind.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:20 PM
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11. No.
But you should do what makes you happy!
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libforeva Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:26 PM
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14. Right now?
I want a system with the least corruption. You"ll never get rid of all coruption.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:21 PM
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12. nope.
.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:21 PM
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13. No.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:29 PM
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15. I already vote socialist- every time I've voted for Bernie
I vote socialist. In local elections, I often vote for the Progressive Party candidate. When it comes to the presidency, I won't throw away my vote.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:15 PM
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44. Cali - a question about Bernie
From what I know of him, I think Bernie is great. But I'm curious as to whether in practice his voting record is really that different from that of Patrick Leahy. If it is (i.e., he doesn't vote no that often from the left side of an issue) I wonder whether those professing a preference for the Socialist party wouldn't be disappointed if the result of electing a couple of more Socialists isn't as a practical matter that different from electing a Democrat (assuming that a state in which a socialist can get elected proably is a state that would otherwise elect a fairly liberal Democrat)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:32 PM
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16. Social democratic, hell yeah (already there). Outright socialist, maybe not.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:36 PM
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17. Is there a site for that? Socialistunderground.com?
Why don't you go there.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:21 PM
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21. Oh my, you're in rare form tonight.
Be careful not to CATCH any socialist cooties here? :evilgrin:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:53 AM
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30. +1
n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:26 AM
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36. That's pretty much how right wingers chatacterize DU!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:14 PM
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19. You'll catch up to me if you start now.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:18 PM
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20. Anybody know anything about the Democratic Socialists of America?
Hey, I'm so tired of being attacked by ConservaDems, I'm willing to give any basic alternative a try.

However, I believe in MAKING THE SYSTEM WORK.

I doubt that the DSA has much influence within our present political system? :shrug:
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:07 AM
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22. I feel that I'm a Socialist at heart. I've even explored other
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:09 AM by Lindsey
countries that are. I just don't know how I could work it out. I explored Canada when W got in the second time. You have to take a little test and I passed. Your chances are pretty good if you have a Bachelor's Degree which I do. Also, My career is in Education which is another plus. I've been to Vancouver and I really liked it. Capitalism just sucks. Especially now. The company where I work sucks. The corporations have us by the balls. We have absolutely no say in anything. They tell us what to do and we have to do it or we get fired. I just feel I'm done :-(
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:34 AM
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23. Here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_A...

They are basically socialists who recognize that we have a two party system and alliances must be formed with the Democratic Party in order to actually get anything done. As a Democrat (capital D) I certainly think that these people are welcome in the big tent.
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shotten99 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:46 AM
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24. That's where my heart is, but not my mind.
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:59 AM
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25. Just went by Eugune Debbs Birthplace today
I live In Illinois right across from Terre Haute where Debbs was born.. there is a nice socialist underground here
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:23 AM
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26. No.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:37 AM
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27. I've always been of the socialist ideology
I came out of my self imposed cage here right about 2006 or so.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:50 AM
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28. We definitely need a change
Crony capitalism is not the answer. I'm hoping folks vote out puppets of the most wealthy that are unwilling to properly represent us until we get people in office who will. Just let them know, if you're a Wall Street activist you will be gone as soon as humanly possible regardless of political affiliation.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:53 AM
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29. Fuck no.
I'm sane, politically-speaking.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:57 AM
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31. Yup.
I'm wondering if I should go down and change my party affiliation on my voter registration and if I should just go independent or socialist.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:54 AM
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32. REAL socialists seem to like way too much regimentation and order
in their "ideal society" for me.
I don't care for regimentation and government control.


mark
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:08 AM
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33. Why even go there?
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:11 AM by Joe Bacon
Millions of Americans are brainwashed into believing that any day now, JC and his Sonshine Band are gonna drop into Earth orbit and suck them up into the trunk of JC's Ford Explorer. THen JC will take them to heaven while godless homo-loving Marxist Democrats will reain on earth and have 666 tattooed on their heads.

We cannot go on pouring billions of dollars down the Pentagon toilet. It's unsustainable. We're almost at the point where the US is going to break apart like the Soviet Union did.

I gave Obama a chance, but he's shown that the only street he cares about is Wall Street. He just doesn't care about 90% of the people in this country who are either barely getting by or slipping further away into poverty.

And the American Press Whores have built a propaganda machine that makes Pravda and TASS look like I.F. Stone's Weekly! All they do is repeat lie after lie and the masses lap it up.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:15 AM
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35. I left on that train long ago -
the only thing I haven't chaged is my party affiliation - it's still "D"...
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:35 AM
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37. Three more years like this and half the country will be.
Maybe that is Obama's secret plan. He knew that bush and the neocons had so fucked the country that only an outright rebellion could fix it. So instead of using his mandate to try and actually make things better, he just courted the conservatives, rewarded the rich, and pumped more money into the war. Brilliant. Soon the country will be ripe with discontent and ready for a real revolution.

Best light I can put on it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:35 AM
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38. Then what?
OK. You have your new Karl Marx book and maybe a neat hammer and sickle t-shirt. Listen to some Shostakovich while playing with your soul patch.

And then you vote for the Socialist candidate? Great! Your candidate might just make it over the 1% barrier and you can go back to the cafe and get back to that parlor talk about how the country needs to give up capitalism.

Yeah... good times...

:crazy:


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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:41 AM
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39. Don't intend to throw my vote away on a tiny 3rd party-hell no
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:06 AM
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40. Definitely.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:21 AM
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41. I am a democratic Socialist --
at heart, though still registered as a Democrat. For now. Barely.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:23 AM
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42. Been there for a while my friend.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:52 PM
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43. No. Not facist or communist either.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:21 PM
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45. The older I get, the more I find that the Socialists make a hell of a lot more sense
on their worst days than the DLC does on its best days.

This country is seriously out of whack, thanks to 30 years of either Republicanism or tacit acceptance of Republican precepts, and it needs a good swing to the left even to reach the center.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:23 PM
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46. The thought has occurred to me.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:25 PM
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47. No thanks. I feel irrelevant enough already as a liberal Democrat
And that's with large congressional majorities in both chambers and the White House
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:46 PM
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48. Don't do it

Liberals voting Green, Socialistic or not voting, is just what the Repubs want.

Obama has been a terrible disappointment to me, too. But if he's the Dem candidate in the next election, liberals should vote for him.

Why? Hoping that he'll beat the Repub without voting for him, is not logical.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:27 PM
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49. Download "The Internationale" here:
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