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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:53 PM
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Hope all you naysayers are happy.. How Obama is paving way for Palin Presidency
How Barack Obama Is Paving the Way for a Palin Presidency
You dont have to be psychic to read the tea leaves. Be afraid, be very afraid.


It does not take a pollster, partisan or psychic to see a harbinger of things to come in Massachusetts voters choice of a Republican to fill Ted Kennedys Senate seat. If Barack Obamas next three years in the White House are anything like his first, he will surely be a one-term president.

And for black America, thats the good news.

Because if history is any guide, the truly awful news is that the smart money is on Sarah Palin to replace Obama in the White House.

Foreshadowing a Palin presidency is a perfect, gathering storm of economics, politics and tribalism, which is not to suggest that Obama is an innocent bystander in his reversal of fortune. It is certainly true that he inherited a capsized economy. But his administration has done little to right the ship. And no president can survive double-digit unemployment and 30,000 foreclosures a month for long.

But what about Ronald Reagan, the skeptics are no doubt asking now, who was saddled with a deep recession in his first term, yet bounced back to win reelection in a landslide? The difference is epic: Reagans poor-performing economy was stalled; Obamas is broken, and despite all the sanguine media talk of a recovery, the crisis shows no signs of abating anytime soon.

Even before the recession hit, there were more maids, cashiers and waitresses in the United States than factory workers, and, when inflation is accounted for, workers have not had a raise in almost 40 years. The trillions of taxpayer dollars showered on Wall Street has produced record profits and fat bonuses, but has done nothing to loosen clogged credit lines. Lending in October of last year was down nearly 15 percent from the previous yearand the White House refuses to launch a New Deal-like jobs program, or provide any substantive relief to borrowers who are in over their head on mortgages, student loans or credit cards.


http://www.theroot.com/views/how-barack-obama-paving-wa...

Hope all you wanted it all and wanted it Jan 21, 2009 will be happy under the rule of Palin.


And you all thought bu$h was bad!
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:56 PM
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1. I guess it would be against the rules for me to tell you to piss off. n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:59 PM
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4. This is a board supporting Democratic candidate
That is something that has been lacking lately.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:02 PM
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8. So an blog post tearing down a Democratic President is actually support?
If Jon Jeter thinks Palin will ever be President, then he's smoking the wrong type of tea leaves.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:14 PM
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12. DU has become that
Hasn't it?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:39 PM
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21. No, it hasn't.
It's a forum for discussing issues, for debating the pros and cons of policy.

I don't recall it having been turned into a re-education camp.




Tansy Gold
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:42 PM
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22. You have been here a long time
This behavior would not have been allowed through 2004 - 2006 and even into to 2007. The 2008 primaries polarized this site and it has only gotten worse.

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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:13 PM
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29. We criticized Daschle when he was majority leader of the
Senate, and there has always been criticism of Bill Clinton for the things he did wrong, such as NAFTA and repeal of Glass Steagall. And we criticized every last Dem who voted for the authorization of the war on Iraq.

There was intense criticism of John Kerry in 2004 for a variety of reasons, and there continues to be controversy over even Al Gore.

As I've said before, criticism on and discussion of issues is not the same as lack of support. Someone who is thin-skinned or inexperienced enough not to understand that probably shouldn't be engaging in the kind of spirited debate that can occur on a political discussion board. Anyone who can't stand the heat should get out of the boiler room.

Virtually all of the issues-related discussion I've seen on DU over the past nine years -- I joined in the summer of 2001 under another name -- has been issue-directed and NOT turned into personal attacks on the individuals in or running for office, whether Kerry or Obama, Edwards or McCaskill, Feingold or even McCain. There were many DUers who said personal criticisms of John McCain's family was off-limits, even those members of the family who actively participated in the campaign. The same for Sarah Palin. I can't honestly say I agreed with that hands-off policy, but even so, the criticisms were almost always couched in the context of issues and the campaign. So Cindy McCain wore an ugly dress, so what. The PRICE of the dress, the COST of the jewelry, that was made into a campaign issue (at least here on DU) because the McCain campaign had made the financial crisis an issue. Ditto for McCain not knowing how many houses he owned or how many cars.

But coming out and calling DUers freepers or worse simply because we dare to say Obama isn't doing what we think he ought to be doing is NOT kosher. We're not rooting for his failure or hoping Sarah Palin gets elected dog catcher in Apache Junction. We're saying we aren't getting enough of or the kind of change we thought we were voting for in November of '08.

And I admit that I was one of the earliest critics. I still, almost 15 months later, get a lump in my throat when I see an Obama sticker on the back of a car, that's how much I wanted him to win the election and be our president. But at the same time, I'm not afraid to criticize him. I was appalled, disgusted, horrified when he appointed Tim Geithner as secretary of the treasury, with Larry Summers and Bob Rubin highly placed in the economic team as of 11/24/08. And I didn't hesitate to make my views known then -- as many lurkers reading this post are well aware.

But a critic is not a naysayer. A critic is not an opponent. A critic is not a troll or a freeper or a secret GOP operative.

DU hasn't gotten worse. If anything it's gotten better. Sure, we've lost a few long-time folks, and some have given up and disappeared or been tombstoned. I hope I never reach the point where my criticisms are directed at individual DUers to the point that I, too, am tombstoned. But neither will I as a DUer stand for what I consider, in my never humble DU opinion, to be attacks leveled by "cheerleaders" who will stand for no criticism of Obama whatsoever. No one is perfect, not even Barack Obama. His administration and its policies aren't perfect. He hasn't delivered on some of his keystone campaign promises. The economy -- which is NOT the same as the stock market -- is not markedly improved, and many of us feel that his economic policies will not improve it.

Moreover, we've been remarkably patient, those of us who are still here. Our presence ought to be a sign of our wilingness to continue fighting, and NOT a sign of our quitting. We're still here. We're still expressing our opinions and offering suggestions for improvement. We don't just get on here and put our fingers in our cyber ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU." We trot out the facts to back up our assertions.

Are we always 100% correct? Of course not. Do we expect miracles and to have everything solved yesterday? No, we're not stupid.

But by the same token, we honestly do not believe that the problems caused by 30 years of neo-liberal economic policy are going to be solved by additional neo-liberal economic policy. If you want different results, you have to engage in different strategies and tactics. Too much of what the Obama economic team -- and as the polls from Massachusetts have shown, the economy is the #1 issue -- has done is what neo-liberal economic teams have been doing for 30 years. Break the unions. Give tax breaks to the rich. Make "job protection" a dirty word, but "profit protection" the cornerstone of all policy.

You, as an individual, may no longer be comfortable on DU. I can't do anything about that. The DU rules suggest that those who are easily upset by spirited discussion may be more comfortable elsewhere. I'm not telling you to leave, I'm not telling you to shut up, I'm not calling you a liar or a troll or a freeper or anything else.

But DUers can be passionate about the things they're passionate about (duh!) and that's the nature of the board. It has been since the day I joined, and I expect it will stay that way.


And so will




Tansy Gold

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:16 PM
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31. And how did that work out?
No more Daschle
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:21 PM
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34. No, not because of what we said,
but because of what he did.

He did all the things we clamoured for him NOT to do, and he went down.

Maybe if he had listened to us, he wouldn't have.

But if you're more comfortable believing that what we say here has more effect on political campaigns than what the candidates actually do, feel free.

Believe me, we aren't that powerful. We only wish.





TG
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:58 PM
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2. Palin will not be President. The majority of Rethugs don't line up behind her.
In poll after poll, the Rethugs in this country prefer another candidate.
And as much as I love Obama, he has made some mistakes. I believe that he can turn them around (although many here have given up completely....self defeatism).
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:59 PM
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3. +1. n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:05 PM
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9. Only the Viagra-laden old white males on the extreme right
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:59 PM
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5. Well then 4 years of Palin. Hope she doesn't press the button.
and then 4 years of another Democratic President...cuz she won't be fixing jack.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:00 PM
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7. But what else can she screw up beyond repair
Just like bu$h only worse.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:00 PM
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6. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:06 PM
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10. Not even Americans are stupid enough to elect Palin
Someone like Romney on the other hand....
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:12 PM
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11. They elected bu$h didn't they?
Or should I say the Supreme Court did, and considering last week, they could do it again.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:26 PM
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14. Different deal(s) entirely
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:26 PM
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13. I'm happy! I'm bored with Obama. I think a Palin Presidency would be more exciting.
:sarcasm:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:27 PM
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15. Dems have always been their own worst enemies. Frankly,
I'm surprised they ever get elected.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:30 PM
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16. True about being their own worst enemies
This is true only because the Democratic party is a democracy in itself.

The other problem is they expect the system to work and work fairly and the opponents play as dirty as they can.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:33 PM
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17. I'm not sure who you mean by "naysayers".
The article is critical of the administration for seeming to do more for Wall Street than Main Street.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:37 PM
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19. anyone who criticizes the administration is a naysayer
Unless you support the president 100% and say only wonderful things about all the wonderful things he has done, you are a naysayer.


Or worse.



Tansy Gold, undeterred
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:38 PM
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20. it will be the fault of DU critics if Palin becomes president
because our naysaying will bring Obama down and cause this to occur. :crazy:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:45 PM
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23. Ah, of course, it will be the dirty hippies' fault.
The irony of this OP's user name is staggering.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:46 PM
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25. Staggering
Staggering that I see what is coming. Just staggering!

Go ahead slam away. Just don't say I didn't see it coming.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:52 PM
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27. That the dirty hippies will be blamed no matter what? Yeah, I see that too. eom
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:17 PM
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32. Ah, be careful Kitty
Criticism of DU screen names is also not allowed.



Tansy Gold, who knows from experience
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:19 PM
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33. ..
:rofl:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:45 PM
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24. It just adds to the negativity that is already loud enough
What does it look like when a discussion board dedicated to supporting Democratic Candidates is negative on their candidates?

It just gives those who are working concertedly to take down the President and Democrats more to work with.

Keep it on if you think its going to do any good, but I think it will not.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:35 PM
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18. Hard core right wingers want their women in the background.
Palin doesn't have a chance for President.

Vice President? Yes, perhaps a Romeny/Palin ticket in 2012. :puke:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:50 PM
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26. Do you think the only reason they had Palin was because of Hillary?
Just wondering why they brought her out if they don't plan to promote her in the future.

I believe in general that you are correct about how they feel about women.
Hope you are correct about her not being on their ticket in 2012.
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:54 PM
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28. Pathetic lifelong victims here can then settle into their comfort zone.
It's much too confusing posting here with the Democratic party in power. Instead of the hard work of changing the makeup of the party, it's much easier to slink back into irrelevance and powerlessness. What DUers do best.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:14 PM
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30. Palin can be elected because the SCOTUS ruling will see corporations spending
10's of billions on the republican presidential candidate. It could be Palin to satisfy their base, but anybody they choose can be elected with that much money.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:23 PM
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35. Kick
I duped you
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:24 PM
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36. Careful,
I am not making many friends with this thread.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:29 PM
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37. pfft
I wouldn't worry about

they are not using their heads and just impulsively reacting

toss a frisbee and see how many come back
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:30 PM
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38. ROFL
:rofl:

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:30 PM
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39. ..
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 05:30 PM by liberal N proud


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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:32 PM
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40. Locking
We are locking these at this time for the following reason:

"Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here."

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