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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:48 PM
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My last straw is if they extend the Bush tax cuts to the rich.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:52 PM
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1. Yes, for many I would surmise: That would be "the straw that broke the camel's back."
No way! Tell me they aren't even considering this?!?
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:30 PM
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22. I concur. I hadn't even thought they considered it. I hope they do not. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:17 PM
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36. the very rich should be taxed more
however the very rich seem to have ways of tax evasion like paying someone handsomely. The poor and middle classes don't stand a chance.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:53 PM
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2. You know what this is turniing out to be?
Bush's third term.

I am really getting fed up.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:54 PM
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3. Oh, that would be the very last straw...
:nuke:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:54 PM
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4.  Bobby Bright has no business holding that ultra-Red district anyway
He's going to lose no matter how conservative he makes his voting record. And this pathetic pandering will not win him any votes from wealthy Republicans in Alabama.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:54 PM
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5. I doubt they will. They're counting on the additional revenue.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:58 PM
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6. I hope you're right.
And a pox on the Blue Dogs for even bringing it up! The comments section to the article is full of morons who think they personally benefit from this tax cut on billionaires. All the dumbasses who sent that letter did was provide the Rs with red meat to make this into a public debate when they could have just let the tax cuts expire with little fanfare.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:06 PM
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10. Haven't you heard? Giving tax cuts to the rich is how you GENERATE revenue -
just think of all the jobs that are generated every time a CEO buys a new yacht. All those boatwrights and carpenters and ... and ... others pay TAXES.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:58 PM
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7. O_M_G. I wish I hadn't seen this.
:banghead: indeed.

:argh:

:silent scream:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:02 PM
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8. You know this is coming. Count on it.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:06 PM
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9. Here's the most chilling comment I read all day (week? month?):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I'm afraid that's what it's all about. :(
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:53 AM
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57. I have to disagree there. First, he's a politician. And second, I believe much of
his veering to the right is a result of calculated decisions, whether right or wrong, to enhance his election/re-election chances. Just like he started wearing the flag lapel pin during the campaign, after his decision not to wear it based on principle, he has reversed course on most things because of what he's been told is sellable to the public. Although I believe that Obama and his advisers come to the wrong conclusions most of the time, from a strategic standpoint everything Obama does and every policy decision reached is with re-election in mind, all other considerations being absent. Just my opinion.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:43 AM
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60. K&R
But I still have some hope. Not much, but still.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:13 PM
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11. TWO House dems are proposing this -- is that enough for !!ELEVENS!!!!?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:24 PM
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14. It's called fearmongering about Democrats....
Knee jerk "what ifs" around DU are as popular as evidenced facts.
It's a way of hating someone for something that hasn't happened yet,
and isn't even remotely close to happening.

It's a fear tactic.
Keeps people hating not for anything that has really occurred,
but for what "might" happen according to almost no one.

The corporation's media is good at this;
and those who sniff up with large nostrils,
anything the Corporation's media puts out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:27 PM
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:02 AM
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56. And if they extend the tax cuts
will you cry foul?
Or will you defend them with your last breath?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:21 PM
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12. All I saw were 2 mentioned in the article. 2 does not
make a majority of anything. It just allows the writer to say Dems.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:22 PM
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13. Yes, but why does our party claim these corporatists? eom
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:24 PM
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15. Right. You just watch how close the vote will be. eom
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:26 PM
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17. I don't think there will be a vote.
The tax cuts simply expire.


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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:30 PM
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21. Unless one of the "only two" Democrats introduces a bill.
And it gets through committees and goes up for a vote because the airwaves are flooded with "CALL YOUR MEMBER OF CONGRESS NOW TO STOP THE MASSIVE TAX INCREASES!!1!"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:32 PM
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25. that would be the call of Speaker Pelosi, from my understanding.
That's the advantage of being in the Majority,
even if 40 of those that help you get there
are blue dogs. And so, I'm thankful for small favors.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:40 PM
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27. Okay. I've bookmarked this thread and you will see it again.
If the Bush tax cuts are extended and you, as per usual, rush to defend it.

If the tax cuts expire, great, you were right.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:01 PM
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43. I really want to see this.
I would love if it the tax cuts expired, but don't see that happening.

I would also love to see how it gets "explained" if Democrats (make that democrats) support extension.

Please keep this bookmark.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:43 PM
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28. Harry Mitchell (D-AZ) announced he supports extending the tax cuts.
So now we're up to 3, with more Blue Dogs sure to follow.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:13 PM
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34. Every single Republican and Blue Dog/Conservadem will vote for this atrocity,

if there is a vote.

I'd say, there is a 50-50 chance (or slightly less than that) right now that the tax cuts will be extended.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:18 PM
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37. Watch for a flood of ads urging people to pressure their Congresscritter. eom
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vicdoc Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:26 PM
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16. Doesn't just help the rich...
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 01:26 PM by vicdoc
Middle class got helped too, average of $1200...
check it out.... from both sides of the claims:
<http://www.factcheck.org/dean_wrong_on_bush_tax_cut.htm... >
<http://www.factcheck.org/here_we_go_again_bush_exaggera... >
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:38 PM
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38. whoop de friggin doo -- more slight of hand BS to keep the wealthy from paying taxes
Twelve hundred dollars is NOTHING, compared to what the $250K per year crowd will continue to GAIN.

TAX the shit out of them when it expires, and then tax them AGAIN. Fuck the freeloading wealthy and their BS.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:50 PM
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40. Plus, they could just write a bill that would protect people making less than $250K
Most of this is about marginal tax rates on top earners. Their 35% top rate goes up to 39%. No big deal for them no matter how hard they scream.
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vicdoc Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:56 PM
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41. Why stop there....
Why not go back to the tax rates before Reagan? 70% marginal rates? Yeah, that'll show those f@ckers, won't it? In fact, we should punish them with 110% rates! Take it all and throw then in jail for having the gall to earn so much money! Nobody should earn more than anyone else! There shouldn't be any rich people!
So the next time you try to find a good doctor, for example, good luck. Do you want the neurosurgeon or gynecologist who operates on your daughter, who has $100k in school loans after slaving for forever in college/medical school and 7 years of residency training who pays $150k in malpractice premiums not to reap the benefits of a good salary? HAHAHAHA! There won't be any! Unless they are all owned by the government. Then just get in line, like at the post office or VA take a f@cking number sit down and shut up. People who earn a lot of money earn it because they have some special skill or VALUE to society, and your class hating crap is just going to discourage them. Not everyone (no one?) who earns a good living honestly is deserving of this kind of hateful shit. And NO I don't earn $250k, I earn a lot less than that, and wish I did!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:52 PM
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53. no one held a gun to their heads to get loaded up with loans
"Class hating crap" -- look up cognitive dissonance dear. The wealthy hate the working class far more, especially when they have to pay their share of taxes.

Free Republic called -- they want you to come home.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:08 AM
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59. Thanks for your honesty.
People who earn a lot of money earn it because they have some special skill or VALUE to society

And NO I don't earn $250k, I earn a lot less than that, and wish I did!

I agree that you don't add any value to society. :hi:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:42 PM
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39. welcome to du bro
peace out..
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vicdoc Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:57 PM
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42. Thanks...
always looking to expand my mind.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:27 PM
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18. They can't do it. The debt is 12 trillion. These tax cuts are the chief reason for that.
When 17% of the country is out of work, this money to make up the shortfall can't possibly come from the middle/working/poor.

I speculated back in December that with all the capitulation, this and the planned Iraq withdrawl will likely be the next items the fascists get their way on.

Shit will seriously hit the fan if the tax cuts for the rich don't expire. That's what will send me and a ton of others to the streets.

Of course, going to the streets worked gangbusters in terms of Bewsh's MIC follies, didn't it?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:35 PM
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26. Yeah, but deficits suddenly don't matter when the rich will benefit.
And seriously, read the comments to the Hill article. Morons who think they benefit personally from the Bush tax cuts.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:15 PM
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35. Oh, but now they're forming a debt reduction panel.
Billionaire Pete Peterson, and Judd Gregg, and Kent Conrad think there's too many "entitlments", like Social Security and Medicare that need to be cut. And Obama is supporting it.

Fuck Peterson. I think he's entitled to a 90% tax rate, and a French Revolution Severance Package.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:27 PM
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19. Maybe I'm being naive...
but I really don't see that happening.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:46 PM
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29. I hope you're right. I really do.
I just remember back during the primaries when people were promising me that HCR with mandates would come with a public option. I predicted there would be a mandate and no public option. So far it looks like I was right.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:31 PM
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23. WE NEED INVESTMENT NOT TAX CUTS!!!!
We went from the last Kennedy brother to the second Reagan brother pretty damn quick.

:mad:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:31 PM
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 01:53 PM
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30. Doesn't play well with others.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:00 PM
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31. That's my last straw too.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:01 PM
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32. I already had my last straw
this will just make me angry that I gave money to his campaign.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:07 PM
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33. Like trickle down economics worked so well before right.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:02 PM
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44. If he did extend them, it would just add to the deficit.
I doubt that he would do that.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:07 PM
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45. Two dimwits make this request and we're all in a tizzy.
If the Dems were to do this .... they'd save these two seats, and lose the rest.

Those cuts for the rich will expire.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:15 PM
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48. Don't disturb the "IF, THEN" parade....
Poster got what she wanted; at least one or two poster
responding that they don't support the Obama administration...
just cause two Blue dogs in Congress were opining about
what they thought about an issue.

Its called demonizing by association......
and accordingly, this administration now gets blamed
for what anyone says who is a member of congress
if it isn't something we like.

Small world for small minds....
and unfortunately, the Republicans don't own the corner market
on being just plain out to lunch.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:32 PM
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50. We on the left need to grow a spine .... and ...
The DNC needs to smack these two dopes with the potential of primary challengers.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:11 PM
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46. And while you're at it, be sure to see this obscenity:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:12 PM
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47. JUST 2 DEMOCRATS
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:16 PM
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49. That's 2 too many.......
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 04:17 PM by FrenchieCat
because whatever any Democrat says,
must have surely come out of Pres. Obama's mouth,
kind of like the Bill Ayers situation....
Surely.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:34 PM
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51. Two Democrats managed to turn the tide against the health care legislation
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:50 PM
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52. It's 3 now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:23 PM
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:28 PM
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55. That would definitely be the straw that broke the camel's back - AFTERALL
when he was Candidate Obama - it was letting those very tax cuts expire to help pay for his agenda.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:02 AM
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58. They are a campaigning on balancing the budget, not a chance this will happen
Taxes on the rich will go back to where they were during the Clinton years and they will probably pass a middle class tax cut through reconciliation. Quite frankly I hope they try to pass it through regular procedure too so that they can get every single Republican as being on the record against a tax cut that helps working families.
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