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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:27 AM
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reconciliation is the only avenue left.
forget pulling it apart and keeping some parts and discarding others.
there would be too much disagreement over this or that provision.

It would take months and we can't bear another six months of this.

Speaker Pelosi said plainly she hasn't the votes to pass the senate version.


The leadership should start moving towards a reconciliation vote right now, right now!


if we hesitate at this moment. We will lose it all and end up with nothing.

And it will be our fault.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:28 AM
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1. YUP ... we need to grow a pair!!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:30 AM
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2. You forgot one other "avenue"
The Zero Option.

Drop it. Do nothing.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 AM
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3. that would be a disaster
for the president, for the party, and for the country.


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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:33 AM
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4. As opposed to the current situation?
It looks like pretty much of a disaster to me now.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:35 AM
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5. I admit reconciliation is a bit of a hail mary play
but I still think it can be done.

if it fails we can always walk away saying we tried everything
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:37 AM
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6. Reconciliation, yes. Senate Bill, no, no, no . . .
If the House passes the Senate Bill, most of the Democratic members might as well just leave Washington today, because they aren't going to be voted back again.

The Senate Bill is poison, and frankly, even if they have the best of intentions, I'm not sure the Democrats can or will "fix the Bill." After Obama signs it, we're stuck with it, which virtually guarantees we'll lose our majorities in November.

There is an alternative - do a series of straight up or downs on separate Bills in the House to get the HCR Bill we want. Send 'em over and have Biden Reconcile the Senate Bill. Could be all done in six weeks, if the will to survive were there.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:39 AM
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7. no way could they work out separate bills under the gun like this
its would take months not weeks.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:44 AM
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8. They already passed most of it. The House Bill is pretty close.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:07 AM by leveymg
Once there's a House Bill with no poison pills, Biden could issue an Instruction to a single Senate Committee to report back with a Reconciled Senate Bill in 2 weeks.

For a readable 4 page summary, see, http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications... It's got a public option, expands medicare/medicaid and lifts the antitrust exemption. A drug re-importation measure would need to be added by a separate amendment.

It could be done, but Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid would need to work together to do it. They'd also have to threaten Democratic obstructionists with the guillotine.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:48 AM
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9. have you seen any evidence of the will to do that?
Obama has dropped it completely apparently.

If he is not willing to carry the ball(and it looks like he's not).... there is only 1 avenue left
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:57 AM
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10. If he doesn't lead Reconciliation of a decent HCR Bill, then, he too will go down in flames.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:58 AM by leveymg
We've gotta hope he has some political survival instincts left.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:31 PM
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11. right, after the House passes the Senate Bill
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:41 PM
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12. Tweety and Reid say Reconciliation can't be used for that purpose.
It can only be used for budgetary things, or modifying things to a lesser degree. Can't be used to pass big bills and such.

Me, I don't know. How do we know who to believe, anymore?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:45 AM
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13. "Budget item" is an elastic term. VP decides - the opposition needs 60 votes to carry an objection
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 05:46 AM by leveymg
to an item in reconciliation. The Parliamentarian's role is merely advisory.
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